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Cheese4TheRat

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52. They would never make it into office.

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:56 AM

Mar 2014

And I always vote offensively, not defensively. I don't give up ground for fear of the big gain.

Sorry if I take positions seriously.

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Are Progressives Ready for 'Political Revolution' with Bernie? [View all] xchrom Mar 2014 OP

k&r for Bernie Sanders. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #1

Bernie, run but when you run, run as a Democrat. Autumn Mar 2014 #2

Yes! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #21

here, here. I am in. :D roguevalley Mar 2014 #184

Bring the Democrats back to the Left Phaedrus76 Mar 2014 #171

Thats is impossible ..The Democrat party as we knew it INdemo Mar 2014 #181

Just about everyone quoted thinks he should join the D Party first BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #3

If he runs as an independent, he's dead to me. That will just split the vote. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #4

Sure, better that Bernie be killed by the Democratic Party Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #23

Wow, seriously?...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #45

... SidDithers Mar 2014 #46

See you next week! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #50

What's the appeal of signing up and getting banned... SidDithers Mar 2014 #54

I dont' know what you think your promoting here Sheepshank Mar 2014 #39

I suggest you read the TOS Adrahil Mar 2014 #211

I would vote for him as a Dem or an Indy Marrah_G Mar 2014 #25

NO!! the democrats are dead because it would split the party in a Presidential ellection handing it bigdarryl Mar 2014 #60

Then Hillary should drop out demwing Mar 2014 #92

+1 harun Mar 2014 #146

This is the DEMOCRATIC underground... Adrahil Mar 2014 #152

So if Mitt Romney declares himself a Democrat, you'll support him? How about Icky Ricky? Scuba Mar 2014 #154

They would not win the primary passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #167

No, Romney has no credibility, Kilgore Mar 2014 #190

You can see how that works... Hoppy Mar 2014 #158

Yeah, that's not cool... Adrahil Mar 2014 #175

no, it's not, and you know it! RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #182

Yes it is, and YOU know it... Adrahil Mar 2014 #212

Yeah, BUT Party isn't ALL that matters. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #219

Bernie appears to be daybranch Mar 2014 #173

I like Bernie... Adrahil Mar 2014 #176

So if Rand Paulie ran as an indy on the right RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #183

Yes. I reiterate, I work to elect DEMOCRATS Adrahil Mar 2014 #200

So let me get this right. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #203

We could have had President Gore if it wasn't for Joe Lieberman. Scuba Mar 2014 #196

I sure the dead and wounded from the Iraq War appreciate you protecting them from Lieberman... Adrahil Mar 2014 #201

Even with the sarcasm thingy I have no clue what your post is meant to imply. Scuba Mar 2014 #202

It's pretty simple.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #204

I voted for Gore. My concern vis a vis Lieberman is not that people didn't vote Gore because .... Scuba Mar 2014 #205

Gore lost Florida by 537 votes. Nader got 1,635 votes. Adrahil Mar 2014 #207

And hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens didn't bother to vote. Don't you think .... Scuba Mar 2014 #208

ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD Adrahil Mar 2014 #210

Gee, I thought we were talking about the vote-generating capacity of progressives. My bad. Scuba Mar 2014 #213

No, YOU were talking that. I never mentioned it. But it's all good. BT Adrahil Mar 2014 #214

Nader did complicate things demwing Mar 2014 #199

Party before principle? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #189

Well... Adrahil Mar 2014 #206

i don't need ideologically oerfect. I'll settle for ideologically in the ball park Scootaloo Mar 2014 #221

+ 100% /nt demwing Mar 2014 #222

Plus another. Scuba Mar 2014 #153

Exactly. Over the last six years, the populace has already seen the truedelphi Mar 2014 #162

In 2008 Hillary Clinton got 17 million votes... brooklynite Mar 2014 #170

good one! daybranch Mar 2014 #172

This independent liberal would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat. LoisB Mar 2014 #143

Make that two independent liberals. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #150

I could name at least a hundred who would vote for Sanders RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #185

Run Dem, Bernie. You'll catch the Independents and all of us, too. toby jo Mar 2014 #5

Completely agree, ... aggiesal Mar 2014 #18

Yay! Lesser of two lessers! Don't change the system, just creep right within it. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #26

What? ... aggiesal Mar 2014 #33

I probably misread your post, but it seemed as I running as a D was a requirement for your vote. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #43

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #133

Substitute "Bernie Sanders" with "Ron Paul" and "Progressives" with "Libertarians" brooklynite Mar 2014 #6

Substitute "DU" for "Free Republic". Beacool Mar 2014 #73

Delusion? SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #124

But Obama is a mainstream, corporatist, Republican... brooklynite Mar 2014 #139

Wow... so you took a point about how SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #142

Gee, I thought Elections WERE policy fights... brooklynite Mar 2014 #145

No, what I did was comment on a comment to the OP SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #151

...and I'm saying it is. brooklynite Mar 2014 #156

Well yours certainly aren't relevant SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #157

Radical? Bernie's not a radical. Scuba Mar 2014 #155

thanks for a splash of realism erronis Mar 2014 #165

Be sentient? Sounds un-American! Scuba Mar 2014 #166

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #134

Of course progressives are MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #7

As a REGULAR Democrat rtracey Mar 2014 #8

Yes, joining the Democratic party would be his best chance MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #11

Exactly. The Third Way seems to be running things now. djean111 Mar 2014 #34

Never heard of "The Third Way" MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #38

http://www.thirdway.org/ WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #47

Thanks MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #63

No prob. Start with their ideas on "entitlements." WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #77

That's a turd, well polished demwing Mar 2014 #94

Sounds like the old Silent Majority/Moral Majority. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #140

Here ya go..... djean111 Mar 2014 #56

They've slimed their way on to this board... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #82

Yes, they have. djean111 Mar 2014 #93

Don't you mean RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #186

Nope MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #209

K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #9

Very true. An Independent Bernie campaign paves the way for Rand Paul in the White House groundloop Mar 2014 #13

Bernie Sanders is a wise man. ReRe Mar 2014 #76

Bernie can beat any R. His policy positions are popular. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #80

That is our dilemma in a couple paragraphs. rurallib Mar 2014 #22

You took the words right out of my mind. ;-) n/t ReRe Mar 2014 #81

But Sanders also knows who the real Party leadership is, and I doubt truedelphi Mar 2014 #163

The question strikes me as tired "thinking in the box" bread_and_roses Mar 2014 #10

I agree with you and you're correct. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #15

Good post and I agree, there is way too much focus on the WH race, taking the energy away from sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

I couldn't agree more. Andy823 Mar 2014 #37

I dont think I have ever disagreed with you, and I dont totally disagree now. But.... rhett o rick Mar 2014 #141

You're right, and not really disagreeing with me. I was thinking, and probably should have written sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #178

One of our biggest challenges is to get information to the public. If Sen Sanders runs rhett o rick Mar 2014 #187

Wish some one within the party iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #12

I think he should run as an independent LittleGirl Mar 2014 #14

say what, littlegirl? that makes no sense. cali Mar 2014 #17

I won't vote for Hillary LittleGirl Mar 2014 #36

We better figure out how we are going to get him enough money... L0oniX Mar 2014 #19

It would have to be a grassroots/internet/social media campaign... polichick Mar 2014 #116

He'll get our vote for sure. A vote for REAL change, not just lip service. nt NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #20

Run Bernie, Run Marrah_G Mar 2014 #24

Sure. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #27

Pretty much everybody here wants Bernie to join the Democratic Party first. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #28

I want him to join the party so he can be included in the debates Autumn Mar 2014 #29

As do I. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #41

Pretty sad when it could be difficult for a Democratic nominee to earn liberal votes Autumn Mar 2014 #44

I'd love to continue the dialog but Sid is dithering in censorship again Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #48

Perhaps another time. Autumn Mar 2014 #58

Admins have spoken pretty clearly about this troll... SidDithers Mar 2014 #66

The poster seems to know you very well Autumn Mar 2014 #67

He doesn't like being outed for the zombie troll that he is...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #69

No trolls do not like being outed. Nor do sock puppets . Autumn Mar 2014 #71

No. Socks don't like being exposed either...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #72

Yet socks are allowed. Autumn Mar 2014 #74

You would know better than I... SidDithers Mar 2014 #79

Perhaps you haven't encountered them. Autumn Mar 2014 #83

There's only one I know of... SidDithers Mar 2014 #91

The fact that you are willfully ignoring and naysaying voting strategy is telling. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #40

They would never make it into office. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #52

WHATEV...... clearly you are picketing for one course of action Sheepshank Mar 2014 #120

All the other Dem candidates will pander to the center-right rucky Mar 2014 #30

run as a Democrat, then if corporates beat him go independent yurbud Mar 2014 #31

I was ready YESTERDAY. K&R closeupready Mar 2014 #35

he has to run: Hillary will be the kind of candidate Republicans wish they had: yurbud Mar 2014 #42

Most hopeful thing I've heard in politics recently... polichick Mar 2014 #49

Yes. Put the US more in line with the rest of the world and stop this nonsense. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #51

Sign me up, and give me the campaign material. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #53

I was ready for "revolution" with Obama immediately post-Bush. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #55

That's why I said (above) that nobody is going to buy a "revolution" in... polichick Mar 2014 #59

My expectations were pretty realistic... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #88

I have a feeling there are a lot of us (older than millennials) who are over... polichick Mar 2014 #95

I think there are enough people hungry enough for a change, and a good progressive jtuck004 Mar 2014 #125

Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom... polichick Mar 2014 #129

I think the numbers are there, but are they beaten down so much that they won't leave their chairs? jtuck004 Mar 2014 #130

So true. Just spoke with one of the Millennials I worked with during... polichick Mar 2014 #131

I'm ready. bigwillq Mar 2014 #57

Only if he runs as a Democrat in the primaries, otherwise it will end like all third parties lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #61

I won't vote for anyone other than a Democrat nt hack89 Mar 2014 #62

What if he stands to win with a wide majority? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #87

That is a huge what if. hack89 Mar 2014 #90

k&r polichick Mar 2014 #64

Somebody has to drag the primary to the left. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #65

Yeah, that's a winning ticket in a general election. Beacool Mar 2014 #68

Republicans have already won since establishment "Dems" have adopted their policies. polichick Mar 2014 #75

+1,000,000,000 djean111 Mar 2014 #78

Believe it all you want, but I still would take Obama over McCain or Romney. Beacool Mar 2014 #96

Not nearly as much of a difference as there should be... polichick Mar 2014 #99

Maybe so, but to state that there is no difference between the parties is ridiculous and not true. Beacool Mar 2014 #104

Who stated that? polichick Mar 2014 #106

Bea, don't worry about this at all. This is actually a really good thing for Hillary. stevenleser Mar 2014 #85

Not to mention his policies would be better for the country demwing Mar 2014 #89

It's not even worth having that discussion because he has no chance IMHO. stevenleser Mar 2014 #97

He only "has no chance" because people like you believe that... polichick Mar 2014 #101

No, its something much more fundamental these days. Money. He wont get any substantial amounts. stevenleser Mar 2014 #102

True, if not for the internet... polichick Mar 2014 #105

Well, I will be watching and reporting on it either way. stevenleser Mar 2014 #107

It will be interesting, either way! polichick Mar 2014 #119

Oh, I have no problem with him or anyone else running. Beacool Mar 2014 #98

Gosh. A progressive against yet another 3rd Way Centrist.. lemme see..how should a leftist vote..? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #70

Dreier covers all the points I was about to make: Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #84

+1000. Good find Jackpine. Similar thoughts on moving the goal posts back to the center. adirondacker Mar 2014 #108

Bernie's the guy who can credibly move the Overton Window. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #126

Bernie will win because his policy positions are supported by a wide majority. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #86

Too funny!!! Beacool Mar 2014 #100

This is the same subset of a fringe group on DU... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #112

But Kucinich WOULD have won... brooklynite Mar 2014 #114

Clearly he was on a path to victory... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #118

Yep, he's very electable........if you're the Republican nominee. Beacool Mar 2014 #127

I think you're mistaking it for the subset that said Hillary would beat Obama in 2008:-) grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #192

Actually, OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #193

Will be a fun primary!!! May the best candidate win! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #198

If that were true, Dennis Kucinich would have finished his second term in 2012. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #103

And the US would be world leaders in all the best human categories once again. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #109

I think that the problem with the Left, and Right too, is that they think that the majority of people Beacool Mar 2014 #110

It's possible to interpret a lot of polls to say people support either extreme. stevenleser Mar 2014 #111

Falls under the rule of Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #144

Except it isn't really a matter of left and right now - it's corporations vs people. polichick Mar 2014 #113

poll after poll shows people are fixated on labels.. frylock Mar 2014 #132

And use that toward our advantage. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #147

the most valuable functions his race might be able to achieve is that he might be able to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #115

those pushing the Wall Street Democrat line on this thread prove the need for Sanders to run as Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #117

It would be wonderful if he ran and won, but...... Hotler Mar 2014 #121

I will vote for the best candidate. Maedhros Mar 2014 #122

Apparently, the revolutionary idea is representing the 99%. winter is coming Mar 2014 #123

Sanders / Warren 2016 penndragon69 Mar 2014 #128

That would get young voters to the polls... polichick Mar 2014 #136

Fantasies are always fun..... brooklynite Mar 2014 #168

What a sad state of affairs when that ticket is seen as a fantasy on a Dem site. polichick Mar 2014 #215

Maybe because I lead a reality-based life. brooklynite Mar 2014 #216

The reality is that both Sanders and Warren stand up for the principles... polichick Mar 2014 #217

The reality is that a candidate as left-wing as Sanders... brooklynite Mar 2014 #218

Hot Damn Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #135

You knows it! K&R! Phlem Mar 2014 #137

Bernie can win, no matter what party RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #138

Let's say that Bernie wins the presidency. Yavin4 Mar 2014 #148

heh,heh...what fun to watch the Third Way sycophants go berserk!Bernie scares the sh*t out of them antigop Mar 2014 #149

Many of our neighbors in Latin America.... bvar22 Mar 2014 #159

GO BERNIE!!!! rwsanders Mar 2014 #160

I doubt he'd win, but I'd welcome him moving the debate to the left. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #161

YES! passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #164

I Surely Am! colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #169

I hope that in the end, after the primaries WhiteTara Mar 2014 #174

I am so ready. dflprincess Mar 2014 #177

That would give the White House to the GOP. Like give them to them. BrentWil Mar 2014 #179

Elizabeth Warren! n/t Pryderi Mar 2014 #180

Upton sinclair said shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #188

I'll vote for him. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #191

I am a socialist and a Democrat. DemocraticWing Mar 2014 #194

I am a Democratic Socialist. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #220

Conundrum! for sure! Live and Learn Mar 2014 #195

I strongly support the announced candidate DFW Mar 2014 #197

K&R cprise Mar 2014 #223

I hope so. PLEASE maced666 Mar 2014 #224