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Hoyt

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170. I don't give handguns a pass. They need relegating to locked rooms in your home.

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:48 AM

Feb 2014

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But, banning or restricting other weapons will help reduce availability of handguns. So-called "assault weapons" keep gun stores in business and the yahoos that go there buy handguns to go with their assault weapons.

Gotta start somewhere weaning you guys off these foul things.

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Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals; 20-100k at least [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2014 OP

Compare this to driving an unregistered car or opening an unregistered factory. DetlefK Feb 2014 #1

Why don't they register them? Marrah_G Feb 2014 #2

responsible gun owners that's funny... mikeysnot Feb 2014 #8

Combination of ignorance of the law and civil disobedience I would imagine. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #10

Maybe they're too scared. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2014 #11

Most likely they are not scared of the government hack89 Feb 2014 #22

Many people ignore the law whenever they feel they can get away with it. bemildred Feb 2014 #36

Cars are not considered household property. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #117

I am sure they will find another feel good law to pass that will fix it. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #3

They will likely extend the registry deadline pipoman Feb 2014 #6

Just like the bumper sticker says: rgbecker Feb 2014 #4

They didn't outlaw guns. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #153

They didn't outlaw guns for now. That doesn't mean they will not in the future. (n/t) spin Feb 2014 #204

depending on the specifics of the law.. pipoman Feb 2014 #5

Throw them to the privatized prison industry. aquart Feb 2014 #7

I'd prefer heavy fines per day of law breakage drynberg Feb 2014 #9

Law enforcement has bigger issues to deal with hack89 Feb 2014 #13

No it wasn't registered to the Sandy Hook killer! rdharma Feb 2014 #26

Never said it was - it was registered to his mother hack89 Feb 2014 #27

Are mass shootings the only kind of gun violence? rdharma Feb 2014 #44

I support all proposed guns law with two exceptions hack89 Feb 2014 #49

Does the ACLU tell you that President Obama is gonna confiscate your guns? rdharma Feb 2014 #50

No - there is no political will or public sentiment in America to confiscate guns hack89 Feb 2014 #52

Then they're probably also against automobile registration.......... right? rdharma Feb 2014 #57

I think the difference here is that they think the registration of a gun is to track the person Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #58

Bingo! rdharma Feb 2014 #72

Beats me. I just know they oppose gun registration. hack89 Feb 2014 #59

Not many gun deaths by AR-15? Are you kidding? rdharma Feb 2014 #74

Knives, blunt objects and hands/feet kill many more people annually hack89 Feb 2014 #80

How many people would have been killed by the AR-15 equipped mass murderers ............. rdharma Feb 2014 #84

So explain how registration would have prevented those crimes. Come on, you can do it. hack89 Feb 2014 #86

Webster! rdharma Feb 2014 #98

Knew you couldn't. Sandy Hook is particularly difficult to explain, isn't it? nt hack89 Feb 2014 #99

Once again....... Webster! rdharma Feb 2014 #100

So a felon who got an illegal gun through a strawman purchase is your example? hack89 Feb 2014 #107

Yes! Do you think the person who sold him this AR-15 would have done it........ rdharma Feb 2014 #110

Considering they already had a permanent record of her purchasing the gun hack89 Feb 2014 #115

Put the sporting stock on it and it's not scary nor dangerous anymore. problem solved. NM_Birder Feb 2014 #87

I own a car that will go over 75 mph. rdharma Feb 2014 #96

No he is not kidding you a bit proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #101

Oakland? rdharma Feb 2014 #103

Oakland is a great example of how strict gun control does not work. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #114

Does California have universal gun registration? rdharma Feb 2014 #116

I'm sure that the ATF was all over these gun stores. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #181

You were talking about strict gun controll in CA. rdharma Feb 2014 #182

You're hinging on a nonsense argument Scootaloo Feb 2014 #154

"registration doesn't prevent criminal use of guns...make the guns used in crime easier to track" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #158

Registration of original purchase........ rdharma Feb 2014 #183

Except there is already a permanent record of the straw purchase hack89 Feb 2014 #186

Please explain how that works...... and what is required of the seller! rdharma Feb 2014 #187

You have a point - registration is useless without UBCs hack89 Feb 2014 #191

Tell me, how do they track the FFL records. Is there a central/easily retrievable repository? rdharma Feb 2014 #194

Two step process hack89 Feb 2014 #202

Oh, that's easy! Computer record? OR......... rdharma Feb 2014 #205

Ok nt hack89 Feb 2014 #208

Obama will never confiscate firearms even though he has a pen and a telephone. ... spin Feb 2014 #206

Take a "chill pill", dude! nt rdharma Feb 2014 #209

Yeah, because he stole it krispos42 Feb 2014 #141

Whatever it was...... it sure didn't save that "responsible" gun owner........... rdharma Feb 2014 #142

Were they supposed to, outside of certain straw arguments? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #149

Yes they were supposed to save the "prepper" owner......... rdharma Feb 2014 #166

Heard that from the owner, did you? Interesting. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #189

change the stock to a sporting model... POOF.. it's no longer an "assault" weapon NM_Birder Feb 2014 #85

We should be creating less criminals in this country NobodyHere Feb 2014 #12

Criminals create themselves when they refuse to comply. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #33

Obey, citizen. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #65

Hell yes! Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #75

The compliance officer will see you now AngryAmish Feb 2014 #76

Do you actually have a point you can articulate, or just silly innuendo? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #81

It is stated, very clearly, in Title IV, Section 3, Subsection b AngryAmish Feb 2014 #83

A simple "no" would have sufficed... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #111

This is the deal: AngryAmish Feb 2014 #122

Guns kill 30,000 people a year, and your mocking those who try to tackle that? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #147

If an attempt to tackle gun crime is poorly thought out, it SHOULD be mocked friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #185

Yes, but it should be mocked for being inadequate, not excessive. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #193

Fighting gun crime by making what was legal and harmed none a crime... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #196

Legal yes, harmed no-one no. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #198

You *are* aware that guns harm no one without human intervention, no? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #199

Did you just make that claim up out of thin air? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #213

I said *rifles*, which are indeed rarely used in crime- so sayeth the Feds friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #215

"unlicensed murder weapons." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #112

You know what's really ridiculous - to the point of being beyond parody? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #113

"a step in the right direction" NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #118

More incremental criminalization, 'tho they're reluctant to actually admit it... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #120

I am? See #144. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #145

You're excused, then. I was referring more to our homegrown prohibitionists friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #150

How has your (UK) Murder rates changed since 1900? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #176

And how does that compare to the US in the same period? Your attempt at a point fails. stevenleser Feb 2014 #211

Arizona Territory or Boston? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #214

Do you mean "should be" or "will be"? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #144

So you want to ban semiautomatic rifles? hack89 Feb 2014 #119

I am? See #144. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #146

I get a kick how divorced from American cultural and political reality hack89 Feb 2014 #164

I don't give handguns a pass. They need relegating to locked rooms in your home. Hoyt Feb 2014 #170

Thanks for your help and support hack89 Feb 2014 #172

Anytime. I love you guys, just not your guns. Hoyt Feb 2014 #173

From the OP, anywhere from 50, 000 to 350,000 weapons -- in this 1 state -- remain unregistered Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #159

Apply that BS logic to immigration. NM_Birder Feb 2014 #91

A "Responsible Gun Owner" would have followed the law. Bettie Feb 2014 #14

Took the words out of my mouth. sybylla Feb 2014 #23

Ain't civil disobedience grand? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #174

OP is correct Shamash Feb 2014 #15

How about 100 years in prison is your weapon dsc Feb 2014 #16

Considering how rarely rifles are used in crimes hack89 Feb 2014 #18

How about a realistic solution? Lurks Often Feb 2014 #20

why wouldn't it hold up to judicial scrutiny dsc Feb 2014 #30

Since you've been living under a rock (on a different planet) Shamash Feb 2014 #37

Intentionally not complying with the law IS criminal intent. rdharma Feb 2014 #46

^Man who has no sympathy for someone wanting to sit in the front of the bus Shamash Feb 2014 #51

That post doesn't even make sense. rdharma Feb 2014 #55

I think he/she is trying to make some connection between guns an Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #60

Of course! What Rosa Parks did is exactly like some RW gun-hugger breaking the law! rdharma Feb 2014 #67

Just another gun fancier feeling "discriminated" against, and willing to use real civil rights Hoyt Feb 2014 #73

In English, your answer was all-purpose bigotry Shamash Feb 2014 #62

Who do you think you're fooling? rdharma Feb 2014 #71

U sur no lgoc reel gud TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #77

Huh??? The only bigots are the gun-owners themselves. They were and still are madinmaryland Feb 2014 #104

-1 for trying to rewrite history. Rosa Parks owned guns and made no bones about it: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #121

No. The fact she had guns doesn't mean comparing Rosa Parks and the civil rights movement kcr Feb 2014 #123

Ms. Parks fought for the Fourteenth Amendment rights of all, and sometimes exercised... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #124

Just because you claim something infringing on a constitutional right doesn't make it so. kcr Feb 2014 #127

Umm, the DU cite was from 2010, long before Nugent ever mentioned her friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #128

Ummmmmmm, I stand by my point kcr Feb 2014 #131

You say "No associational fallacy about it." and continue talking about Nugent... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #138

No, I pretty much said to feel free to believe the crappy right wing nutty talking point kcr Feb 2014 #139

Nugent is an ignoramous who didn't know Parks was pretty hard Left... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #152

What's MY excuse? I think you're confused. I'm not the one who buys the idiot talking point. kcr Feb 2014 #162

I don't approve of life in prison for shoplifting dsc Feb 2014 #70

I noticed you skipped the part about getting it through the legislature Lurks Often Feb 2014 #39

Where is this "mandatory" 100 years in prison coming from? rdharma Feb 2014 #47

To quote the best football movie of all time... Bazinga Feb 2014 #38

The State of CT is unlikely do anything Lurks Often Feb 2014 #17

Exactly Shamash Feb 2014 #25

This is a pot-prohibition wet noodle legalism... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #31

The law is a joke to anybody who actually understands how firearms works Lurks Often Feb 2014 #40

another brilliant gun humping response TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #88

What's so brilliant is that your argument is so pathetic Lurks Often Feb 2014 #94

Great. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #19

Good Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #21

why is this in GD? Shouldn't it go straight to RKBA? CTyankee Feb 2014 #24

It is about legislation, not a shooting The Straight Story Feb 2014 #29

Some idiot didn't shoot himself in the foot in Macon? You're right! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #34

Wow, haven't seen you in these parts since maybe never, Eleanors38! CTyankee Feb 2014 #66

Where you been? Dark corner? They're turning out the lights. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #135

durn, musta missed that...but I think you might like it here... CTyankee Feb 2014 #143

Glad you joined us. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #165

class of 2004 here...glad you came on board a couple of years later! CTyankee Feb 2014 #168

Guns are allowed in GD. Didn't you get the memo? nt hack89 Feb 2014 #41

If they don't register... albino65 Feb 2014 #28

Solution: Comply with the law. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #32

All laws ? EVERY CITIZEN ? NM_Birder Feb 2014 #90

"who have broken no other laws..." joeybee12 Feb 2014 #35

The crap journalism started with the headline Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #64

You're right...this "journalist" clearly has an agenda...nt joeybee12 Feb 2014 #68

How dare we in CT pass such a law! CTyankee Feb 2014 #148

Sorry, but that's how gun control works. And don't most of us want gun control? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #42

I say, round 'em up & horse-whip 'em lastlib Feb 2014 #43

This just in: people often blow off pointless, seldom-enforced laws. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #45

Some folks drive too fast in school zones too. ntl rdharma Feb 2014 #48

Ha. So gun owners aren't as "law-abiding" as they try to tell us. Are you really surprised? Hoyt Feb 2014 #53

So if they outlaw abortion and women still have them? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #54

Women don't use the "I'm law-abiding" ruse. But nice try. Fact is, gun fanciers are Hoyt Feb 2014 #56

Was his question too difficult to reply to? Shamash Feb 2014 #63

I did not deflect. His question had nothing to do with issue. Abortions and gunz are hardly similar Hoyt Feb 2014 #69

For YOU it is about guns. For others it is about rights. The Straight Story Feb 2014 #78

Allowing a bunch of gun fanciers to arm up, ain't progressive. Hoyt Feb 2014 #82

And that's what it boils down to: You don't like it friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #126

Only those addicted to the dang things and/or right wingers like it, Hoyt Feb 2014 #133

There's that "poisioning the well" thing, again... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #134

There's that you don't care what gunz do to society, as long as you have yours. Hoyt Feb 2014 #136

There's that "strawman" thing, again... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #137

Do your state's gun laws allow one to tote in church? Hoyt Feb 2014 #157

My state does Travis_0004 Feb 2014 #160

I'm not sure any of those incidents required a gun, but gun fanciers do think it's the only way to Hoyt Feb 2014 #169

"...gun fanciers do think it's the only way...". More telepsychology, Hoyt? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #197

awesome and brilliant argument! TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #89

That would have been a snappy reply if that was what he had actually said friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #125

Gun ownership should not be a right, any more than driving a car is. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #155

That's your opinion, sked14 Feb 2014 #167

I think you've just come up with the Universal Response. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #175

Good luck. sked14 Feb 2014 #177

Nor me - I'm entirely aware I'm tilting at windmills here. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #178

FWIW, here are my ideas on gun control sked14 Feb 2014 #179

immigration.......another one NM_Birder Feb 2014 #92

Sigh, just more ammo for Republicans MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #61

We don't need gun owner votes anyway seveneyes Feb 2014 #79

how bout a "war on guns" working well with drugs right ? NM_Birder Feb 2014 #93

so registering firearms = a "war on guns"? TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #95

LOL... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #105

Hardly hyperbole- there's quite a few that would like to go all Harry J. Anslinger on guns friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #130

How about nail-bombs? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #180

Nail bombs are 'destructive devices', even the NRA supports regulation of those friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #184

Nonsense. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #192

They are the same- an attempt to criminalize what was previously legal... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #195

you do realize that the vast majority of Americans TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #97

No poll have ever shown majority support for registration. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #106

Background checks yes. Registration no. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #108

Oh, I think the Republican party needs the gun-hugger vote....... rdharma Feb 2014 #102

Silly laws like this do nothing but hurt us politically. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #109

The only logical next step is to "ban teh gunz!" aikoaiko Feb 2014 #129

Many would like that, but most are too mealymouthed to admit it... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #132

Not going to happen, sadly. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #156

Well said. Even here on DU we are split on the issue. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #163

Every single gun used in a crime began as a legal gun; every criminal's gun was once owned alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #140

So why is gun crime in England going up? Travis_0004 Feb 2014 #161

Um no... the people who didn't register are creating the "newly minted criminals" cui bono Feb 2014 #151

Meh. That's their problem, not mine. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #171

So, y'all are cool with arresting all undocumented migrants? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #188

Or busting people for cannabis possession in states where it's still illegal? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #190

No! No documented death caused by cannabis. rdharma Feb 2014 #201

No! They aren't killing weapons. nt rdharma Feb 2014 #200

Gotta love situational ethics, the zealot's friend... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #203

Huh? You're kidding! Right? rdharma Feb 2014 #207

I don't like laws that criminalize people with a stroke of a pen. Think of where it could lead. Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #210

"Yeah, I'm a pro-gun progressive." - That's all you needed to say, honestly. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #212