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madfloridian

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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 07:31 PM Dec 2013

Bob Graham speaking out about 9/11 again. Also 2 archived articles Saudi flights after 9/11 [View all]

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Bob Graham has been one of the most trusted sources not just about about the Iraq War, but about his knowledge surrounding the events of 9/11. He is out and about again on this topic. I was watching this long interview at Huffpost live with Bob Graham today, December 16, 2013.

Senator Bob Graham On Bush-Saudi-9/11 Coverup

He mentions that members of some Saudi families were able to fly when other flights were grounded. I think he has been quite upset over having so much knowledge of what really happened back then....and his inability to talk about it because he is sworn to secrecy. He refers to the families trying to get answers in court and otherwise, and he has empathy with them. That part starts about 5 minutes into the video.

I saved two articles about these flights. The oldest one is from 2001 from the Tampa Tribune.

Phantom Flight From Florida


TAMPA - The twin-engine Lear jet streaked into the afternoon sky, leaving Tampa behind but revealing a glimpse of international intrigue in the aftermath of terrorist attacks on America.
The federal government says the flight never took place.

But the two armed bodyguards hired to chaperon their clients out of the state recall the 100-minute trip Sept. 13 quite vividly.

In the end, the son of a Saudi Arabian prince who is the nation's defense minister and the son of a Saudi army commander made it to Kentucky for a waiting 747 and a trip to their homeland.

The hastily arranged flight out of Raytheon Airport Services, a private hangar on the outskirts of Tampa International Airport, was anything but ordinary. It lifted off the tarmac at a time when every private plane in the nation was grounded due to safety concerns after the Sept. 11 attacks.


A spokesman for the FAA said "It's not in our logs ... it didn't occur."

There was another from the St.Pete Times (Now the Tampa Bay Times) in June 2004.

TIA now verifies flight of Saudis



TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.

The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.

The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.

For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose.

But now, at the request of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, TIA officials have confirmed that the flight did take place and have supplied details
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Bob Graham is one of my favorite persons, one who has gained my respect in so many ways. I will never forget that in 2002 he told his fellow senators that if they did not read the entire NIE, not just the sanitized version....that blood would be on their hands.

2002 Senator Bob Graham D-FL about Iraq vote. "the blood's going to be on your hands"

The Palm Beach Post link is no longer available, but I saved the text and the article.

..."On Oct. 9, 2002, Graham — the guy everyone thought of as quiet, mild-mannered, deliberate, conflict-averse — let loose on his Senate colleagues for going along with President Bush's war against Iraq.

"We are locking down on the principle that we have one evil, Saddam Hussein. He is an enormous, gargantuan force, and that's who we're going to go after," Graham said on the floor. "That, frankly, is an erroneous reading of the world. There are many evils out there, a number of which are substantially more competent, particularly in their ability to attack Americans here at home, than Iraq is likely to be in the foreseeable future."

He told his fellow senators that if they didn't recognize that going to war with Iraq without first taking out the actual terrorists would endanger Americans, "then, frankly, my friends — to use a blunt term — the blood's going to be on your hands."

It was a watershed moment. Gone was the meticulous thinker who would talk completely around and through a problem before answering a question about it...


At that same link are the words of Bill and Hillary Clinton fully supporting the Iraq invasion. Stands in contrast to Graham's blunt honesty.


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Proud to be the first to K&R this, madfloridian! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #1
Thank you. Michael Moore, Bob Graham.. I thank them for their honesty. madfloridian Dec 2013 #3
I remember when Bob Graham's opinions on what happened after 9/11 were of the utmost importance to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #55
Exactly... a great Democrat who should have been President JCMach1 Dec 2013 #83
Agreed...Reinvestigate 911 billhicks76 Dec 2013 #113
k&r... spanone Dec 2013 #2
Appreciated... madfloridian Dec 2013 #4
important post!!! spanone Dec 2013 #6
The official explanation: KamaAina Dec 2013 #5
We know nothing, we found nothing... madfloridian Dec 2013 #14
Nice post, Schultz! KamaAina Dec 2013 #15
Ha...was just going to post this snip. madfloridian Dec 2013 #16
Some links. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #61
One of the families flying was the bin Laden family which had very close ties with the Bush family. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #7
I had forgotten that. madfloridian Dec 2013 #41
And airc, two of those who were flown out had been wanted for questioning by the FBI. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #56
W's TANG buddy James Bath brought the bin Ladens in as investors in "Arbusto", W's oil company Ace Acme Dec 2013 #69
Yep, all friends of Bush, there is lots to these stories all leading back to Bush. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #73
When I lived in Miami... CherokeeDem Dec 2013 #8
"a tiny bit eccentric, but it is part of his charm" I agree. madfloridian Dec 2013 #9
I voted for him in Florida. I hoped that Kerry would choose him as a VP running mate. NBachers Dec 2013 #102
You are correct, CherokeeDem. I did some research on this in 2004. You are correct. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #47
This is not new news. Skidmore Dec 2013 #10
I can't speak for madflo but I do believe she's posted it because of Micheal Moore's comments riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #11
Yes, and Graham's recent interviews as well. MM is all over it at his twitter feed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #13
There are posts and interviews that inspired this. No, it is not news. But it should be. madfloridian Dec 2013 #12
It's news to everyone who doesn't know it. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #75
That's true. madfloridian Dec 2013 #76
Oh yes it is! It's BIG news. And it's going to get BIGGER. Fast, I hope. I want Bush and Cheney ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #24
My point was that this has been a known set of facts Skidmore Dec 2013 #30
Yes it has, and we've all been told to "look forward". Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #38
And those of us, including Bob Graham, were all told to shut up about it. I remember thinking that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #94
I was so disappointed that Justice Rehnquist died before he could be held accountable Ace Acme Dec 2013 #79
It is to many people who were not paying attention at the time. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #57
Fahrenheit 9/11 Blew my Mind Ace Acme Dec 2013 #72
I lost all respect for Hitchens at that time and never read anything from him sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #96
Apparently Hitchens had an alcohol problem Ace Acme Dec 2013 #97
"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) & Intimate Buddy Bandar Bush (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #17
More about why I remembered the articles now. Strange bedfellows... madfloridian Dec 2013 #18
I think Murdoch is possibly doing several things with this story: CJCRANE Dec 2013 #63
Or maybe even he realizes that no one is protected from the Bush/Cheney lies and crimes and sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #99
You may have already read this, but just in case..I think you'll find it of relevance. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #19
Article in Vanity Fair dem in texas Dec 2013 #20
Was it this one? Found the link in a post above. madfloridian Dec 2013 #25
House of Bush, House of Saud BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #62
K&R + Wayback Machine link to 2001 Tampa Trib article "Phantom Flight from Florida" alp227 Dec 2013 #21
I keep forgetting about the Wayback Machine. madfloridian Dec 2013 #26
K&R! Thanks for furthering this! KoKo Dec 2013 #22
Bob Graham is no conspiracy theorist. His word is like gold. madfloridian Dec 2013 #23
There's a 4 Part interview with him, here: KoKo Dec 2013 #27
Thanks for that link. He's been a busy guy this month. madfloridian Dec 2013 #28
Bush the Elder, Carlisle and the CIA arranged this warrant46 Dec 2013 #29
A couple of inconsistencies - one may be a typo.... George II Dec 2013 #31
If you do a search on 747, bluegrass airport... madfloridian Dec 2013 #52
You're right - I just watched a video of one landing. Unbelievable since... George II Dec 2013 #54
I did see one like that. madfloridian Dec 2013 #58
It turns out that they fly in a couple of times a year for the Keeneland thoroughbred auctions... George II Dec 2013 #64
So. Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #32
I figure that the Tampa Tribune, the St Pete Times, and esp Bob Graham...are the real thing. madfloridian Dec 2013 #33
Yes, and thank you Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #44
I was told I was full o sit about this - the bin Laden Family Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #34
Hoping times are changing... madfloridian Dec 2013 #36
k/r Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #35
.... madfloridian Dec 2013 #37
What a disconnect noise Dec 2013 #39
At the end of the Graham interview, 1st link..he is very upset at the secrets he must keep. madfloridian Dec 2013 #46
Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were both known al Qaeda operatives, both known to be inside the USA. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #77
To date noise Dec 2013 #80
OIG interviews were recently declassified noise Dec 2013 #107
TRUTH comes into the light, FINALLY! What a weird week this one is. truedelphi Dec 2013 #40
+ 1 Berlum Dec 2013 #42
K & R AzDar Dec 2013 #43
At 18:30 into Graham's interview. "Is the US now such a servile nation...that we must capitulate.. madfloridian Dec 2013 #45
He's a fine man, elleng Dec 2013 #48
Politics and prose TomClash Dec 2013 #86
You've lived in DC area? elleng Dec 2013 #87
Briefly TomClash Dec 2013 #88
I was BORN in NYC, elleng Dec 2013 #89
9/11 heaven05 Dec 2013 #49
Graham's novel Keys to the Kingdom written as way to expose some knowledge... madfloridian Dec 2013 #50
Wow, what a brilliant suggestion from Nye, to get around all the redacting and cover ups, to write sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #93
Bob Graham is one of the good guys. stevenleser Dec 2013 #51
I have a little bit of a problem with this... WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2013 #53
It was made known before the 2004 election. But the propaganda machine, otherwise known as the MSM sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #59
You say you wont support her, but the Powers To Be are very clever. They will run Attila the Hun on rhett o rick Dec 2013 #66
I'm getting to the point where i think tht game could be played 2 ways. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #78
Howard Dean questioned the 9/11 Reports and the Voting Machines Ace Acme Dec 2013 #81
You are not alone. During the Bush lost decade the conservatives turned the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #82
but given that good conscience can, easily or less so, be manipulated by brilliant speeches BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #91
My ONLY problem with Bernie is his age. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #104
No one ever has to do anything they do not want to do. And no, I don't care if they run Atilla the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #95
Hear, hear about Congress. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #98
I couldn't agree more. It's way past time to start holding them accountable for their votes. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #100
I enjoy your writing! Titonwan Dec 2013 #108
Thank you, that is a very nice thing to say. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #110
He often pointed out the wrongdoing. madfloridian Dec 2013 #60
OK What's up? The Washington Times has an article about 9/11 as well. Why all of a sudden? madfloridian Dec 2013 #65
E vent U all Y Berlum Dec 2013 #70
Pick a fight with the President TomClash Dec 2013 #85
Interesting. I will look for it. I wondered why Murdoch would be publishing this also. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #101
I remember that... madfloridian Dec 2013 #103
The NSA and FBI had enough intelligence data to stop 9/11. Why didnt they? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #67
They were probably awarded with medals Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #92
I used to get into argument with Wingers claiming it had been debunked,...because Hannity said so. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #71
More than welcome. madfloridian Dec 2013 #84
k & freakiun r! wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #74
What's a rec without a kick? BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #90
Thanks for the post pjt7 Dec 2013 #105
Yes, the Saudis are arming thugs to murder people in Syria. They were involved in Libya too. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #106
Graham's duty is to support the Constitution and the People, not some one that he gave SDjack Dec 2013 #109
and a kick again! eom. wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #111
Those Saudi men were flying over the US right after 9/11, looking for cheap-to-buy real estate, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #112
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