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11. And Iran and Syria beckon...
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 06:50 PM
Mar 2012

[font color=blue]"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
-Eisenhower, 1961[/font color]


Absolutely we need to be out of Afghanistan, but our goals also need to be larger than that. One of the ways the MIC succeeds is by focusing our attention on this conflict or that conflict. We need to have our eyes on the entire octopus.

The Military Industrial Complex is core to the goals and profit of the one percent, and the one percent have purchased our government and our electoral process.

These military decisions are much larger than the President and are driven by corporate money. The military industrial complex is a core element of the profit and power of the one percent, and it will continue to grow until we remove the influence of corporate money from politics. This is why foreign policy does not significantly change from one administration to the next and why the MIC will be protected at all costs.

I don't know if we will leave Afghanistan or not, but we can be certain that carefully crafted urgent issues in that part of the world will drive the continued growth of the MIC, whether in Afghanistan or elsewhere. The coming wars, when they happen, will be all about driving more nations into debt, restructuring political systems and imposing austerity, assuming control of global resources and an increasingly global workforce, and consolidating political and financial power for the one percent. Wars for profit can be both economic and military, and we are living through an alarming ramping up of both in this decade. It is no coincidence that the only potential solutions being trumpeted for the economic crisis in Europe involve nations' ceding more of their power to global corporate interests. America is moving toward austerity and vastly increased corporate control, too, and further MIC demands will help speed the restructuring of our way of life that we already see underway in so many ways.

It is important to keep our eye on the big picture. There are always drawdowns and promises of drawdowns in this or that place before elections. What is important are overall trends. We have seen some horrifying trends since 9/11, and the drumbeats are only escalating now. The purchase of our government by the one percent is not benign. Corporations have no conscience and no values. They exist solely for profit, and if profit can be made by blood and suffering, it will be.

America needs to wake up and Occupy, because we are sleepwalking in a very dangerous direction.

Absolutely right. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2012 #1
I got to imagine that the Afghan justice system moves much exboyfil Mar 2012 #2
The definition of insanity... napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #3
I think this is a brilliant idea. Truly. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #9
Yeah, the solar chargers are of course a must. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #12
One problem with those cell phone towers Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #13
Yep. Doing these sorts of things successfully requires the anti-science people to have no power. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #15
100% correct malaise Mar 2012 #4
I bid 110% correct. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #30
I heard Rush make the same claim about Afghans 10 years ago, bvar22 Mar 2012 #38
They are 7th century CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #39
I agree with your statement about living in the 7th Century, bvar22 Mar 2012 #44
Big Macs! CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #46
Well done. Welcome back, cali. cbayer Mar 2012 #5
Even if there was once some kind of legit "nation building" mission, it's over. leveymg Mar 2012 #6
I couldn't agree more. But didn't Mr. Obama say recently he was going to start transitioning our Booster Mar 2012 #7
I think he's getting some bad advice. russspeakeasy Mar 2012 #8
Getting out of Afghanistan by 2014 is the plan bhikkhu Mar 2012 #10
And Iran and Syria beckon... woo me with science Mar 2012 #11
Everyone I talk to agrees with your statement. Out now before things get even worse. Paper Roses Mar 2012 #14
Well, while we are at it, let's use this opportunity and also decide to leave Syria Fool Count Mar 2012 #16
Afghanistan is a travesty. BlueIris Mar 2012 #17
? how was that the most important reason? Skittles Mar 2012 #25
You clearly don't understand how foreign policy works. It's like a game of chess. progressoid Mar 2012 #18
That pipeline's not going to build itself. DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #19
And there's no way we'll walk away from a trillion dollars in mineral deposits. OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #28
BINGO! That's the real reason we are there. nt DiehardLiberal Mar 2012 #42
And costing billions a month!!!!!! Logical Mar 2012 #20
Look out for the withdrawal plan being put together... sad sally Mar 2012 #21
just drop food & medicine-no more soldiers, mercenaries, bombs, predator drones StarsInHerHair Mar 2012 #22
Too simple. And too cheap. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31
and burn every poppy field before we go SwampG8r Mar 2012 #23
John McCain won't like that Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #24
Just curious. What then happens to the starving peasants of all genders? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #41
Canada quit Afghanistan but stayed to teach a new generation of soldiers. Perhaps it is applegrove Mar 2012 #26
"When vi'lence causes silence we must be mistaken" chknltl Mar 2012 #27
Stop killing and start trading with them madokie Mar 2012 #29
Our mission has become a defensive one: Defending ourselves from LeftinOH Mar 2012 #32
Absolutely agree. We should have been out a long time ago. n/t DLevine Mar 2012 #33
We should never have been there. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #34
Agreed. n/t DLevine Mar 2012 #35
According to Panetta. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #36
Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ _ed_ Mar 2012 #37
And the winner is? FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #43
I just hope we don't get the "Send off" they gave the Russians Taverner Mar 2012 #40
Good OP Cali - TBF Mar 2012 #45
It started as, always was, and still is, a war fought for "tough guy" PR and politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #47
Good to see you posting! n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #48
Could not agree more with your last sentence. It's way past time to leave this poverty stricken midnight Mar 2012 #49
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