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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:41 PM Nov 2013

Imagine Single-Payer Healthcare and what the reaction would be. [View all]

Single-Payer healthcare is by far the best way to distribute healthcare among a population. No question about that at all, and most of the industrial world has already implemented it. So, why don't we have that?

Simple. It's tax-supported healthcare. Like Social Security and Medicare, we pay into it and everyone in the program benefits from it. And that's the issue that would bring screams from the Right. A lot of people would be covered who would be unable to contribute to their coverage. Poor people. Old people. Struggling people. And yet, a Single-payer universal healthcare system, like the ones in most of the western world, would cover healthcare costs for those people, just as much as it would cover healthcare for everyone else.

We're getting complaints from the libertarians, the Republicans, the young, in some cases, and others about the unfairness of mandatory health insurance in the ACA. Imagine what we'd be hearing if real tax-supported single-payer universal healthcare were being implemented this year. Everyone pays according to their income and everyone benefits according to their need. That's the idea. You pay now, while you're healthy, and get healthcare when you're not, and maybe even when you are no longer paying into the system.

But, we're impatient, selfish, and short-sighted. That's obvious from the complaints about ACA. Had this year been the first year of tax-supported single-payer universal healthcare, I can promise you that the screaming would be many decibels louder, and it would be coming from the same voices who are screaming now about ACA.

We must decide, as a nation, whether we want healthcare to be a right, not a privilege. We must decide and we must accept that we all have to pay the costs of it. Until we do, we will not have single-payer universal healthcare. Until we become a nation that accepts that we must think long-term instead of short-term and that those in need today may be us tomorrow. We must develop a better social consciousness than we have now. We must grow.

Bottom line: The complaints, whining, and screaming we're hearing now about ACA would be ten times louder if single-payer universal healthcare was being implemented this year. That is why we do not have it. To get it, we are going to have to make a shift in our way of looking at a lot of things.

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I think you are exactly right. Everyone's thinking -providers, government, even consumer/patients Hoyt Nov 2013 #1
Companies would drop health insurance coverage for almost EVERYONE if Single Payer passed. NOVA_Dem Nov 2013 #14
Of course they would because no one would need insurance at all. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #31
If we are going to have the complaints, whining and screaming anyway, it would have been nice Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #2
I'd rather have that, too. But the reason we don't have it is MineralMan Nov 2013 #5
No, we got something far to the right of what the nation was asking for. woo me with science Nov 2013 #12
Yes, I know that's your opinion. MineralMan Nov 2013 #13
Nothing is possible when it is quietly and deliberately taken off the table. woo me with science Nov 2013 #26
We didn't hear about it because the richest folks don't support it - TBF Nov 2013 #29
I think you're right for the most part. woo me with science Nov 2013 #36
While I agree,he was going to be accused of sufrommich Nov 2013 #3
The President of The United States cannot make laws. MineralMan Nov 2013 #7
Yes,I'm aware of that. Obamacare is called sufrommich Nov 2013 #9
He chose not to fight for a public option woo me with science Nov 2013 #10
100% pure woo. nt tridim Nov 2013 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #20
Welcome to DU arcane1 Nov 2013 #25
Maybe the leaders/corps would be screaming but the people would be happy. polichick Nov 2013 #4
Not all of the people. I can promise that. MineralMan Nov 2013 #6
+1000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #8
I suspect if people knew how expensive Medicare for all would be, they'd still gripe. Hoyt Nov 2013 #22
Other than the insurance industry,I doubt that most sufrommich Nov 2013 #11
I think you're right. I'd also add much of the healthcare provider industry and MineralMan Nov 2013 #15
I'm not really disagreeing with you,I just sufrommich Nov 2013 #21
Obamacare looks very much like means-tested Medicaid. FarCenter Nov 2013 #32
That's who I meant - the insurance companies, the ones who helped write the ACA. polichick Nov 2013 #18
That's why I think the path to single payer goes through a public option path. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #16
I'm certain it will have to be a process. MineralMan Nov 2013 #17
A voluntary public option may sufrommich Nov 2013 #23
yup ... once you put it in the State exchanges, you have the competition you need. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #24
That matters little. What we need is universal subsidized access to the exchanges TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #45
I know some American expats in Japan who hated the national health system when Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #27
Yes. You pay for MineralMan Nov 2013 #41
"and everyone benefits according to their need" FarCenter Nov 2013 #28
Need? If you are sick you get care. MineralMan Nov 2013 #40
Most of the Industrial world does not in fact have 'single payer'. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #30
We have the network in place and it's very popular Chisox08 Nov 2013 #33
Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2013 #39
I know what my reaction would be. Deep13 Nov 2013 #34
"Everyone pays according to their income and everyone benefits according to their need." Martin Eden Nov 2013 #35
I think we need Marx in both places - TBF Nov 2013 #37
Yes. Healthcare should be a socialist system. MineralMan Nov 2013 #38
If our tax structure were more progressive, only the wealthy would complain. Laelth Nov 2013 #42
We don't have it because too many of our leaders truebluegreen Nov 2013 #43
Nonsense. The ACA is a corporate first model first proposed by Mitt Romney. Romulox Nov 2013 #44
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