Federal Wildlife Agents Shoot 14 Wolves from Helicopters

[ProgressiveProfessor]

44. Citations are not always required, despite your fetish for them.

"..the white-tailed deer has reached record populations in many states and will continue to grow. Densities may exceed 40 deer per square mile in some rural areas.."
http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/pages/deerpopulationfacts.aspx

That citation you used in post 27 is a poor basis for discussion of deer herds in Idaho since the site clearly has an east coast focus. That does not make it wrong, but limits its applicability to the western states. What is accurate in New York about white tail deer populations is not true in Idaho and Montana. That is important since predators were being culled to preserve the game animal herds, while in the east, they could use some predators, not that the populace would go along with that.

In post 32 I pointed out the dramatic differences between the western and eastern US when it comes to deer herds, due to the lack of predators in the east. I also discussed in CA due to the ban of hunting cougars, the deer herds were even smaller.

Like many others, you seem to believe that deer are as plentiful in the western US as they are in the eastern US. A clear fallacy for any number of reasons. In the eastern US, deer over population is a serious problem. There are few if any natural predators for deer in places like Maryland or Vermont. They take out cars and motorcycles with some regularity. Its different out west where there are wolves, cougars, etc that do prey on deer. Deer are not nearly the nuisance that they are back east. Finally there is California where in 1990 Prop 117 banned the hunting of cougars. The result was a population growth in the big cats, who's primary prey is deer. Eventually Malthus caught up with them too, and we had a spate of attacks on humans. Things have balanced out somewhat since then, but the California deer herds have never recovered. My comment about asking any California deer hunter was sarcastic, since most go to Utah and elsewhere to hunt...the deer are that sparse here and plentiful over there. The data that supports the above is clearly available form the California Dept of Fish and Game. The page titled "Long Term Trends in California's Deer Population" is somewhat misleading, you need to dig to find the census data deeper down.

Everything I said could indeed have citations, but they are well known and obvious to anyone with knowledge in the field. . However if you want to argue against obvious facts, we might have a flat earth group around here somewhere on DU3