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209. You know I'm with you all the way on that, pnwmom

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Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:42 PM

Oct 2013

The reality is as plain as the nose on their face... but ideology too often trumps Real Life.

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You know those Blue Dog democrats everyone hated? [View all] pnwmom Oct 2013 OP

They didn't lose because we hated them, so the cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #1

Some of us rejoiced in their defeat, and some of us think we should be following pnwmom Oct 2013 #7

Agreed. Some among us won't stand for a BlueDogDem in a Red State (the only kind that would win) BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #32

Me--here in PA. The only Democrats we elect here in Pennsyltucky are Blue Dogs. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #60

You mean like Chaka Fatah? Demoiselle Oct 2013 #195

Honey...Pennsyltucky doesn't include Philly or Pittsburgh..remember what Carville said? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #200

Pennsyltucky is not quite all of Pennsylvania. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #207

I love your Congressman. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #201

I love him too. Good guy, classy and smart. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #206

Glad to have him. Would he be able to win outside the district that elected him? Hekate Oct 2013 #210

His district includes chunks of both the city and its Western suburbs. Demoiselle Oct 2013 #216

While wondering what planet people are on... cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #77

The lie? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #89

Hmmmm... so you deduce "left" from ethnicity? cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #95

Black/left - same diff Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #114

Ummm.... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #117

African American voters are undeniably far more likely to vote Democratic. pnwmom Oct 2013 #126

Was it African Americans who primaried Blue Dogs? Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #137

No. But they didn't help them stay in office. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #145

Doesn't matter, this is to keep the shit stirred. Rex Oct 2013 #154

Our own version? progressoid Oct 2013 #69

I love the Liberal = Bad meme LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #107

When you are weak and have no honest debate points Rex Oct 2013 #148

Why are you still telling this lie? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #187

Harry Truman was right hootinholler Oct 2013 #37

Exactly. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #48

Nailed It! bvar22 Oct 2013 #57

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #88

Yup. Thread over. Maven Oct 2013 #82

Woohoo! brush Oct 2013 #205

Except that quote doesn't account for the fact that in modern times mythology Oct 2013 #214

Well we needed our daily liberal bashing thread Rex Oct 2013 #147

Yes it does. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #162

In other words, capitulating to the right, again and again, didn't save their careers? villager Oct 2013 #2

And you don't see the treestar Oct 2013 #10

Unless you're replying to the OP... villager Oct 2013 #27

Well now we don't have to "capitulate" to the right at all treestar Oct 2013 #61

Well, they control it more. When Dems vote like Republicans, they still control it. villager Oct 2013 #65

Now you're just being stubborn treestar Oct 2013 #68

My point is, when the country moves inexorably to the right, it's still moving inexorably villager Oct 2013 #73

Moving "inexorably" to the right? From what starting point? onenote Oct 2013 #78

+1 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #118

Apparently, that poster doesn't. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #33

Strawmen much? villager Oct 2013 #49

Tea Partier is an even MORE losing strategy treestar Oct 2013 #64

Yes, capitulating to the right hasn't saved us from... the right. villager Oct 2013 #67

How do you define "capitulating to the right"? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #86

You've switched from apples to oranges, now villager Oct 2013 #91

^ pearls reddread Oct 2013 #189

Having Democrats who vote against Democrats 30% of the time is a BIG problem. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #254

But having Teapublicans vote against Democrats 98% is a much bigger problem, yes? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #261

I don't agree with your premise. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #265

And I don't agree with your premise. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #267

mine's already been proven laundry_queen Oct 2013 #269

So has mine. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #270

So you think. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #272

Nah. It's a given fact. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #273

So, you think the Democrats in Congress right now should Jamastiene Oct 2013 #220

Blue Doggery is NOT a losing strategy..... for conservatives. bvar22 Oct 2013 #136

Yes. The Rightwing ultimately wins, either way. villager Oct 2013 #140

+1 frylock Oct 2013 #11

+1 Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #25

So true. The push to change the Dem Party into a milder version sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #38

+1 villager Oct 2013 #50

Yup. progressoid Oct 2013 #72

SHOCKER! Maven Oct 2013 #85

Except when it's the "gays" Jamastiene Oct 2013 #221

Oh, so you'd think they'd be on our side in this critical moment?? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #3

This critical moment wouldn't be happening at all if we'd retained the majority in the House. pnwmom Oct 2013 #12

There's a reason why most 'republican-lite' -dems Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #23

Which is why we should be supporting every Dem in a tough election pnwmom Oct 2013 #29

Bingo. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #34

I've voted for the blue dogs here in Va. every time... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #41

That's great. But not everyone did what you did. pnwmom Oct 2013 #153

Oregon turnout in 2010 was record setting. No Blue Dogs to keep Democrats away. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #208

The OP has to keep changing the theory Rex Oct 2013 #212

I've got a Blue Dog Kurt Schrader after redistricting. Went from Blumenauer's district (awesome!) to neverforget Oct 2013 #230

+10000!!!! Walk away Oct 2013 #149

Then blame the Blue Dogs who lost the critical Independent vote sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #43

When liberals lose, their politics are the problem. When Blue Dogs lose, liberals are the problem. Marr Oct 2013 #196

Yes, a lot of people are wondering, A LOT about these constant attacks on Liberals sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #198

Of course treestar Oct 2013 #14

The one-term blue dog in my district voted against it... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #19

But because the House was under Speaker Pelosi, ObamaCare was able to proceed BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #39

It still passed THAT house treestar Oct 2013 #59

How can they help us if they "get replaced?" immoderate Oct 2013 #4

That was my point. A blue dog might not provide pnwmom Oct 2013 #79

So why don't they get elected? immoderate Oct 2013 #97

Unfortunately, a lot of Dems stayed home in 2010 pnwmom Oct 2013 #102

Are you undermining your thesis here? Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #106

Not at all. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #127

the liberal Dems did not stay home mitchtv Oct 2013 #125

A significant number of African American and younger voters pnwmom Oct 2013 #128

You are undermining your thesis Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #133

sounds like what I called part time voters mitchtv Oct 2013 #176

Which undermines your thesis. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #251

What happened is a DINO got replaced with a real Republican. Cleita Oct 2013 #5

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #9

And that meant Pelosi got replaced with Boehner. Majorities matter, pnwmom Oct 2013 #13

We'll see in the next election. I'm predicting all the Tea Party will be Cleita Oct 2013 #24

My blue dog backed Shuler. Chan790 Oct 2013 #35

she knew how to standup for us, didnt she? reddread Oct 2013 #190

You're still flailing about. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #252

Exactly! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #46

Name some far left members of Congress creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #236

Name some candidates who ran or were on the ballot. Cleita Oct 2013 #240

Do you think no far lefties ran in any red districts? creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #242

Yes treestar Oct 2013 #6

I remember well handmade34 Oct 2013 #8

It was a dark day, indeed. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #42

That whole "stay home in 2010 to punish Obama" idiocy CakeGrrl Oct 2013 #15

I never heard of the "stay home to punish Obama plan" Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #21

Ed Schultz has propagated it on his radio show and his week-day television show. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #47

Some people say that's not true Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #92

The problem with those stats is, for example, I consider myself a Liberal. But many here on DU BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #130

What a bunch of gobbedly gook you just threw up there Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #135

I'm sorry you choose to be so unreasonable. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #234

I didn't make that mistake about you Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #246

Which means what I wrote in my previous post to which you responded BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #263

A train leaves Chicago traveling 48mph Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #264

If you have to revert to epithets such as "ultra-left" you really aren't that much of a liberal... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #247

I'm sorry my opinion offended you. I guess the shoe fit, eh? eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #262

There was no offense taken, and I hope that you are less wrong in the future. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #266

Of course there wasn't. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #268

Great piece. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #163

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #45

What is the 'stay home to punish Obama idiocy'?? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #56

Because ideologically it's a useful weapon to use against us Hydra Oct 2013 #98

I want to know who these people are here who are constantly sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #101

It's all message control Hydra Oct 2013 #104

I'm just saying... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #108

If Dems had not come out we would have lost the Senate and sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #111

That was a fantasy AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #70

Stop pushing that stupid falsehood. Union Scribe Oct 2013 #80

Is that what you did in your State? In Oregon in 2010 we had record breaking turnout Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #99

"Moderates" are the ones who stayed home. Look in the mirror and stop Marr Oct 2013 #197

The ones who routinely sided with the repubs Cerridwen Oct 2013 #16

FUCK NADER Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #17

I don't know - it's like being asked if you want to be hung or hedgehog Oct 2013 #18

Maybe if we would have run a real Democrat, instead of an imitation one, we would not have lost RC Oct 2013 #20

Hear hear! PeteSelman Oct 2013 #54

It's a delusion to think we can run a "real progressive" pnwmom Oct 2013 #81

A Centralest Democrat is not a DLC'er, DINO or whatever. RC Oct 2013 #105

Well, you got YOUR way with that theory and people DID vote for Blue Dogs. Now sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #180

No, in 2010 not enough Dems went to the polls. That's why we lost. pnwmom Oct 2013 #183

That is absolutely false no matter how many times you say it. Independents sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #186

Wow. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #22

Screaming subtext: it's the fault of progressives that government got shut down. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #26

No it's the fault of the tea party nuts who were elected pnwmom Oct 2013 #31

The Dems showed up Hydra Oct 2013 #36

Complacent? Chan790 Oct 2013 #51

Still sticking with that lie against all evidence, huh? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #112

+1 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #121

You've been corrected on that point about a thousand times, so I can only conclude that Marr Oct 2013 #250

The Blue Dogs have themselves to blame is they couldn't defeat "crazy." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #253

Which is akin to blaming Jane Fonda for losing in Vietnam. Orsino Oct 2013 #40

That is always the screaming subtext of the self-styled, right-leaning "pragmatists." villager Oct 2013 #52

Disgustipated for the win Myrina Oct 2013 #53

+1 progressoid Oct 2013 #76

Thank you. n/t onyourleft Oct 2013 #84

Tea partiers were elected through underhanded redistricting. Avalux Oct 2013 #28

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #30

Yep Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #44

Yep. They will. Due to the major state wins in 2010, districts have been gerrymandered BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #55

Well, they can't since Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #179

Yes, they probably will be LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #113

Blue dogs lost because they are piss poor capitulating candidates. morningfog Oct 2013 #58

Earth to OP: Dems lost the House in large part because of disillusionment at HCR and leveymg Oct 2013 #62

So how did the 9 Blue Dogs that voted with the Republicans yesterday help us control the House? stranger81 Oct 2013 #63

Oh, that's going to leave a mark Hydra Oct 2013 #100

But, but, but we have to support them. They're Democrats...even whe they side with Republicans. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #103

Yeah, the OP's premise of "don't-you-wish-you-still-had-the-blue-dogs" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #185

But they also put the gavel in someone else hands Egnever Oct 2013 #142

Great point. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #157

YOu won't get an answer from the OP. Rex Oct 2013 #159

Because they didn't vote for Boehner for speaker Recursion Oct 2013 #248

The blue dogs got themselves voted out AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #66

How many blue dog incumbents lost to tea party people? NCTraveler Oct 2013 #71

Stats!? In a flamebait OP!? villager Oct 2013 #74

My blue dog just voted WITH the repubs n2doc Oct 2013 #75

^ THIS! Union Scribe Oct 2013 #83

So how was it the great outpouring of progressives in your district didn't rise up and primary him onenote Oct 2013 #87

Because our great and wise state Democratic party doesn't give a crap about anyone outside ATL n2doc Oct 2013 #90

And that's the way it is almost every place. Greedy, conservative cliques that guard the gates. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #167

+1 They need to take responsibility for what they claim happened. treestar Oct 2013 #255

Of course I'm glad we purged most of the fakes out B Calm Oct 2013 #93

Did your Blue dog vote for Pelosi for speaker or Boehner? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #123

A Conservative is still a Conservative. Hayabusa Oct 2013 #94

Wrong. Those Blue Dogs were replaced because they acted like Republicans. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #96

So the shutdown is the fault of people who hated blue dogs? SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #109

No. Those who voted against them bear most of the blame. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #116

Yeah well there was an election in 2012 too.. this OP is just one more today SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #119

I'm not bashing Democrats, f*cking or otherwise. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #124

Whatever. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #131

I'm sorry you see it that way. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #134

Of course you are right, the very people in this thread Rex Oct 2013 #141

You don't get it. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #150

Blue Dogs? Try Tea Dogs. 9 of them vote with the Republicans yesterday did they not? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #110

I thought my rep was Dem Raul Ruiz mitchtv Oct 2013 #143

You know why. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #146

You miss the point Egnever Oct 2013 #155

Many Blue Dogs voted against her as Speaker previously, so too many of them and you get Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #199

what a bunch of crap Egnever Oct 2013 #244

The Speaker comes from the majority Party sure but that does not mean every member of Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #277

LOL more crap Egnever Oct 2013 #278

Thank you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #115

The remaining Blue Dog from my state voted with the Republicans. mmonk Oct 2013 #120

Good point. I guess ecstatic Oct 2013 #129

Because he also would have voted for pelosi to be speaker Egnever Oct 2013 #158

You don't know that. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #161

This will fall on deaf ears ecstatic Oct 2013 #122

If you want a republican, vote for the real thing. B Calm Oct 2013 #139

If you dont want republican legislation Egnever Oct 2013 #160

Whoosh B Calm Oct 2013 #192

I remember several saying they'd rather see a Repub win then Stupak re-elected Kaleva Oct 2013 #132

I can spin a story out of whole cloth too, nice try but fail. Rex Oct 2013 #138

It's always the liberals fault isn't it? ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #144

Foxnews blames the Democratic Party. Rex Oct 2013 #151

Word. This country is turning into a clown show. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #164

And Congess hosts the biggest number of clowns. Rex Oct 2013 #165

Fox News NEVER blames the Democratic Party. They blame the Democrat Party. :) valerief Oct 2013 #239

Just like Florida 2000. Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #191

It's always either the liberals' fault, the gays' fault, Jamastiene Oct 2013 #217

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #152

Blud dog Democrats gave the majoirty to Democrats so Democrats could set the agenda. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #156

Maybe, if they tried appealing to the left instead of the right, they'd have been elected. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #166

A blue dog Dem wouldn't get elected in a conservative red community pnwmom Oct 2013 #169

Oh, well. If appealing to the left or right doesn't work, what does? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #172

Appealing to centrists or moderates can work in a conservative district. pnwmom Oct 2013 #173

Apparently, that didn't work either. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #178

I think a better solution is for the party to offer even more financial pnwmom Oct 2013 #181

And there you have it. A Blue Dog Democrat who votes with MineralMan Oct 2013 #168

A SHIT LOAD of "blue dogs" voted AGAINST the ACA in the first place! bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #170

That wouldn't matter a bit now. Nancy Pelosi would be in charge, pnwmom Oct 2013 #171

Still sticking with the lie the liberals didn't come out to vote in 2010? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #175

Not only that, but they took universal healthcare off the table as well. If they had been real Zorra Oct 2013 #182

Most of them Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #174

All I know is that some here hate the Left with the exact same passion Rex Oct 2013 #177

Fuck the blue dogs... polichick Oct 2013 #184

Enough already... Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #188

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #193

As if they wouldn't line up with the Republicans. Marr Oct 2013 #194

Reminds me of this-- Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #202

They were DINOs . . . brush Oct 2013 #203

Incumbent republicans also lost seats to tea party crazies. The biggest problem facing us is lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #204

You know I'm with you all the way on that, pnwmom Hekate Oct 2013 #209

I still hate them. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #211

They would vote with the Republicans most of the time, including now. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #213

This post is dominated by individuals spouting a convenient meme. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #215

And liberal Dennis Kucinich lost in Ohio then, too, right? pnwmom Oct 2013 #219

Clearly, if Kucinich had listed more to the left OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #222

When a Republican runs against a Republican, the Republican wins every time Taverner Oct 2013 #218

Read it the first seventeen times. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #224

Meh, maybe it was 18 times because it is, you know, correct? Taverner Oct 2013 #226

So Ted Strickland lost to John Kasich OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #228

I never really thought Strickland was really blue dog Taverner Oct 2013 #229

Pretty sure that was my point. OilemFirchen Oct 2013 #231

No I am just happy the blue dogs went away Taverner Oct 2013 #243

You said "Blue Dog dem helping us." Maedhros Oct 2013 #223

^^This^^ Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #232

it's way better, thank you stillcool Oct 2013 #225

Its way better having a GOP House Daniel537 Oct 2013 #279

Still hatein' the SOBs Va Lefty Oct 2013 #227

Actually... Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #233

That's pretty good Va Lefty Oct 2013 #241

Comedy MFrohike Oct 2013 #235

Our country is healthier with more Democrats of any type in office IronLionZion Oct 2013 #237

Blue dog Dem = DINO. What good are they? nt valerief Oct 2013 #238

Well, again, as the OP points out, they don't vote for John Boehner to be speaker Recursion Oct 2013 #249

In the last weeks, several 'Blue Dogs' or conservative Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #274

I didn't say "with the caucus" I said "for the caucus" Recursion Oct 2013 #275

Well, we vote for Democrats to begin with OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #256

DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #245

Boy do I miss Joe Lieberman and all of his supporters both here on DU, and abroad. adirondacker Oct 2013 #257

The Joe Lieberman Wing of the Democratic Party is alive and well here on DU, bvar22 Oct 2013 #258

You'd think they would embed a picture for identification purposes... adirondacker Oct 2013 #260

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #259

Those guys were annoying, but at least they didn't threaten to burn the government down if they Arkana Oct 2013 #271

Are you kidding me. They would have thrown in with the teahadists 10 times by now. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #276

Oh really? So they would have voted John Boehner for Speaker? Daniel537 Oct 2013 #280