General Discussion

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)

204. "After it was set up and finished with the German War Crimes tribunals, the US refused to join,....

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:57 AM

Aug 2013

...and hasn't to this day." <~~~ This is just a *little* wrong. Clinton signed the treaty in 2000, Bush unsigned it in 2002..

Monday, 6 May, 2002, 21:53 GMT 22:53 UK
US renounces world court treaty

The United States has withdrawn from a treaty to establish an International Criminal Court (ICC), provoking outrage from human rights organisations.

In a letter to the United Nations delivered on Monday, the US says it will not consider itself bound by the treaty - even though Bill Clinton signed up to it in 2000.

The US has vehemently opposed the setting up of the ICC, fearing its soldiers and diplomats could be brought before the court which will hear cases of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The Washington Working Group on the ICC - an umbrella group of organisations supporting the court - said withdrawing from the treaty was a "rash action signalling to the world that America is turning its back on decades of US leadership in prosecuting war criminals since the Nuremberg trials."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1970312.stm

Peace,

Ghost

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

209 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me!! [View all] Harry Monroe Aug 2013 OP

They've essentially pardoned the banksters. Wilms Aug 2013 #1

What I got... BornLooser Aug 2013 #119

Satisfying logic to the pragmatic mind. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #132

Might as well do the war criminals and traitors, too. Octafish Aug 2013 #165

Sure RobertEarl Aug 2013 #2

Pass---MUSTER. maddiemom Aug 2013 #83

Pun. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #105

Olive for a good pun! kurtzapril4 Aug 2013 #129

Life without puns Aerows Aug 2013 #134

Pass the grey poupon..... but of course!! AAO Aug 2013 #116

OK! demwing Aug 2013 #154

Good one. LOL maddiemom Aug 2013 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #177

why are you surprised? Skittles Aug 2013 #3

Exactly Phlem Aug 2013 #26

just a reminder, we do not have universal health care. magical thyme Aug 2013 #84

^ x100 ^ Myrina Aug 2013 #89

+1 area51 Aug 2013 #91

We do not have universal health insurance, either. JayhawkSD Aug 2013 #93

huh?!? nobody stopped you from buying health insurance in the past. magical thyme Aug 2013 #126

Double-huh?? Nobody stopped you from buying, true enough MrNJ Aug 2013 #171

oh, sorry, you're right. But now that those w/pre-existing conditions can buy health insurance magical thyme Aug 2013 #202

Yup. ctsnowman Aug 2013 #96

I asked my insurance company how denying coverage was anything different than AllyCat Aug 2013 #100

Yep. The same problem we had before. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #109

^ Thank you ^ n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #123

It's one thing to do nothing about the war criminal re. prosecution. no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #104

eh, just another extension Skittles Aug 2013 #167

BHAHAAAAA!!! pitbullgirl1965 Aug 2013 #4

I don't see through you Skittles Aug 2013 #31

Not Hillary mtasselin Aug 2013 #33

The banksters will never allow anyone on that podium who won't work for them. AllyCat Aug 2013 #102

IMO, it IS Hillary for '16. I see no Dem that can beat her. 7962 Aug 2013 #189

No she isn't a liberal BUT pitbullgirl1965 Aug 2013 #193

Whadya expect? Link Speed Aug 2013 #5

But we are a nation of cowards...so say our great AG of these United States Supersedeas Aug 2013 #15

More projection -- they are the real cowards. nt Nay Aug 2013 #73

Appalling. aquart Aug 2013 #6

Ford did the same thing for Nixon Heather MC Aug 2013 #7

that doesn't make it right either. Demeter Aug 2013 #28

And the lesson learned by that is that avebury Aug 2013 #36

The lesson is they will always protect each other no matter what Heather MC Aug 2013 #67

No stained blue dress The Wizard Aug 2013 #80

Agree 1000%! nt avebury Aug 2013 #92

Only "40%"...??? (eom) CanSocDem Aug 2013 #98

Nixon insisted on the pardon as his price for resigning. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #53

I would love to watch a YT video of Ford say "the fucker wouldn't go...." Heather MC Aug 2013 #68

And Clinton did it for Bush Sr. n/t sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #118

And you supported Ford's decision? n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #137

Merely stating this is nothing new Heather MC Aug 2013 #160

I don't think anybody has said it is particularly new . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #161

Most of the stuff we read about that's happening in our country is indefensible Heather MC Aug 2013 #163

Ford granted a Presidential pardon to Nixon markpkessinger Aug 2013 #138

Wow. Unbelievable. But nothing shocks me anymore. But at least Pot users are still being jailed! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #8

I wonder why no one else except this author babylonsister Aug 2013 #9

Oh I don't know... a Google search for "Sundus Shaker Saleh" returns over 94,000 hits. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #22

Thank you! nt abelenkpe Aug 2013 #23

Filed Court Papers: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #88

Regardless of messenger, and there are many, delrem Aug 2013 #55

Here's a PDF of the court papers: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #87

So a judge found they were in the scope of their employment treestar Aug 2013 #122

treestar, so, it's OK refusing to defend DOMA? snark saidsimplesimon Aug 2013 #174

"What is this outrage about?" NealK Aug 2013 #179

I wouldn't trash them completely AikidoSoul Sep 2013 #208

And here's the link to the civil suit against Bush, et al AikidoSoul Sep 2013 #209

Obama continues to disappoint what a fuck up bowens43 Aug 2013 #10

He's protecting the Presidency as an institution, not Bush. /nt cigsandcoffee Aug 2013 #11

The president is only part of an institution, he's a person, like a corporation. orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #14

I read once that all Presidents take it as a mission to protect the executive powers of the office. cigsandcoffee Aug 2013 #17

Maybe cigandcoffee summer-hazz Aug 2013 #61

"The office of the President diminished" Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #79

I agree, 100%, but hueymahl Aug 2013 #117

"The office of the Presidency diminished...." Harry Monroe Aug 2013 #205

He's protecting the Presidency as an institution, and Bush, and himself. (fixed it for you) nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #18

He's damaging the Presidency by covering for a war criminal. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #21

Exactly. Supersedeas Aug 2013 #82

Let alone the concept of damaging the Presidency JEB Aug 2013 #99

+1 n/t NealK Aug 2013 #180

That is true bhikkhu Aug 2013 #35

Perhaps the presidency as an institution is the problem Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #66

And that's a good thing? burnodo Aug 2013 #77

Thanks for the satisfying explanation Enthusiast Aug 2013 #133

No you protect the office of the President by prosecuting the people who abused their power. Chisox08 Aug 2013 #195

And Manning and Snowden are criminals ? no shit. How about purger's, knowingly lying ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #12

You, in my estimation, are the winner. Thanks. russspeakeasy Aug 2013 #90

Here is is a link that is better than the one you are using Autumn Aug 2013 #13

This whole thread is full of fail...I wonder if anybody has actually "read" the 2 page PDF snooper2 Aug 2013 #97

Nuremberg defense?? Downwinder Aug 2013 #16

Yep. The fucking Nuremberg Defense. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #19

Impeachment is Off the Table! chuckstevens Aug 2013 #20

That was when I knew the Democratic Party had jumped the shark. Maedhros Aug 2013 #185

The Repubs put it back on. tblue Aug 2013 #191

Professional Courtesy nt Elmergantry Aug 2013 #24

Why would you need immunity if you had done nothing wrong? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #25

Great point! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #27

+1 ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #45

No accountability for the big shots. JEB Aug 2013 #95

Nailed it. ctsnowman Aug 2013 #103

"Why would you need immunity if you had done nothing wrong?" NealK Aug 2013 #182

not surprised in the least. Phlem Aug 2013 #29

Perhaps he wants to set a good example MNBrewer Aug 2013 #30

Since 1789, has any US President allowed the prosecution of a previous President? madinmaryland Aug 2013 #32

Well, Bill Clinton faced impeachment hearings. delrem Aug 2013 #56

That's not one President going after a prior President. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #76

Has any US President INTERFERRED WITH A PRIVATE CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST a previous President? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #69

Thank you! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #139

In fact Ford was ridiculed for giving Trickie Dick a pardon . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #192

No wonder none of those SOB's lose sleep. WCLinolVir Aug 2013 #34

#$%&ing Awesome!!! The wonder and the majesty of it all. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #37

Because they want the same be done to them in case... Amonester Aug 2013 #38

You really expect Obama to be given "professional" courtesy, if the next President is a Republican? Harry Monroe Aug 2013 #207

Isn't that touching. Obama knocks himself out to cover Bush's ass, while forestpath Aug 2013 #39

If it's a violation of international law ... surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #40

~~~~~~~~~~ globalresearch is a shit source, it used to be forbidden on DU ~~~~~~~~~~ NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #41

Why do you hate Canada? L0oniX Aug 2013 #44

It's their coinage! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #46

No wonder they don't tip. L0oniX Aug 2013 #49

Read it and weep markpkessinger Aug 2013 #48

Yes, I actually just found that in Sabrina's post. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #51

"We're all complicit in a way" - what a bullshit rationalization n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #52

Sorry to disappoint you, oh my! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #64

X 1000 ctsnowman Aug 2013 #107

We're all complicit in a way. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #114

Yup, kiddo.... You should be calling bullshit on this OP. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #115

Granting immunity to war criminals is now reduced to "drama" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #136

Rather than either of us have a pointless battle over semantics, how about better sources? NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #140

I've already provided a link to the filed papers n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #141

Is Daily Kos now a "conspiracy prone website?" markpkessinger Aug 2013 #142

Daily Kos, like Drudge and Huffington, is not an original source in most instances. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #151

So you are disputing that this motion was even filed? n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #152

(((crickets))) markpkessinger Aug 2013 #156

Cat got your tongue? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #168

No. I happen to have a job that takes considerable attention away from having foolish arguments. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #170

I wanted to know if you plan to back up your accusation. Get to it when you get to it. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #172

What accusation was that? NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #175

Are you claiming this motion has not been filed? markpkessinger Aug 2013 #145

I imagine conflating precise communication with " pointless battle over semantics"... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author markpkessinger Aug 2013 #135

Not sure David Swanson's site is any better than globalresearch... SidDithers Aug 2013 #149

Is this one a shit source too? NealK Aug 2013 #184

Meanwhile, pubs are clamoring to impeach Obama Ash_F Aug 2013 #42

So basically, go fuck yourselves, victims. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #43

This makes sense. Otherwise the following adminstration would be open to prosecution... Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #47

yep.... cover it up...cover it up...keep on digging. Sad isn't it. KoKo Aug 2013 #143

Yeah, and they would have had to prosecute Lyndon Johnson, of course. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #194

If true...Don't blame me, I voted for Kucinich. flvegan Aug 2013 #50

This is very interesting. I just read through the whole thing and it appears sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #70

I wish all our victims luck If the day ever comes where our so-called leaders are brought to justice Catherina Aug 2013 #124

And, those who say "we didn't try"...that we were KoKo Aug 2013 #144

And another outrage widget hits the shop floor... SidDithers Aug 2013 #57

Are you for pardoning Bush, Cheney et al? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #60

Maybe you should alert and see that this type of discussion is smote. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #63

He did. He will attempt to convince the gd hosts to lock it because of the source. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #78

What response from the admin? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #120

Normally he just locks it Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #157

Bullshit... SidDithers Aug 2013 #183

Yeah, just the ATA threads about your locks Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #196

One was a 5-0 vote to lock among Hosts when it was locked... SidDithers Aug 2013 #197

Knock yourself out if it makes you feel better Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #198

Calling you out on your bullshit accusation makes me feel better... SidDithers Aug 2013 #200

? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #94

This is a joke post, right? another_liberal Aug 2013 #58

They are including Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice. YOHABLO Aug 2013 #59

"legitimate scope of their employment" = lies to commit a crime against humanity? WinkyDink Aug 2013 #62

The USA will not prosecute their own war crimes, PDJane Aug 2013 #65

"After it was set up and finished with the German War Crimes tribunals, the US refused to join,.... Ghost in the Machine Aug 2013 #204

Obama MUST support immunity for Bush because... thesquanderer Aug 2013 #71

What about the forced feeding of Gitmo prisoners? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #127

200 Days Now. But, he did set up a Board of Review or something.... KoKo Aug 2013 #147

Speaking of books at Gitmo: NealK Aug 2013 #187

Ha! "50 Shades of Grey" is Approved but Not Gulag Archipelago? KoKo Aug 2013 #188

So true. NealK Aug 2013 #190

You would think that international law would still hold them responsible Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #72

Nor are you alone, Bush and Cheney didn't think of themselves as employees either. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #111

Also...Nuremberg Trials are but a distant memory these days.. KoKo Aug 2013 #148

Ugh. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #74

They're not out of the woods bluedeathray Aug 2013 #75

My take away from this is... Javaman Aug 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Aug 2013 #86

I guess that pretty much wraps it up for me. Alkene Aug 2013 #85

Not quite the end yet. JoeyT Aug 2013 #112

"the President said it, I believe it, that settles it": 2004 bumper sticker updated for all admins! MisterP Aug 2013 #158

Indeed. Alkene Aug 2013 #166

Wow. Just...wow. AzDar Aug 2013 #101

And the next gop President will return the favor limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #106

They HOPE Republicans will return the favor... polichick Aug 2013 #181

Duh? Obama wants the same courtesy from the next POTUS. merrily Aug 2013 #108

It's 59-dimensional chess. nt valerief Aug 2013 #110

This is the stuff that foments deep seated hatred by the people and a desire for overthrow. ancianita Aug 2013 #113

K & R !!! - Being Reported Here Too... WillyT Aug 2013 #121

I just threw up joanbarnes Aug 2013 #125

The pardon only exists inside their bubble felix_numinous Aug 2013 #128

Those in power will continue to protect one another..... Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #130

K&R Enthusiast Aug 2013 #131

Government protecting their own, what's new? alp227 Aug 2013 #146

Did you really expect something different? Rex Aug 2013 #150

Seems like a no-brainer. People really have to manage their expectations. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #155

I wonder if they'll ask to have the Statue of Liberty removed too Corruption Inc Aug 2013 #159

Bull shit BlueJac Aug 2013 #162

BFEE Forever! Octafish Aug 2013 #164

From the same office that says Snowden should've used "proper channels" to expose their crimes. Marr Aug 2013 #169

Think about it, Barack Obama... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #173

:( n/t BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2013 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #178

It is all about protecting the powerful, not about justice. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #186

I don't know why anybody would be surprised at this. ladyVet Aug 2013 #201

Except if, God help us, that President is a looney bin-Teabilly Republican Harry Monroe Aug 2013 #206

This is the FINAL FUCKING STRAW!!!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2013 #203