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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 07:23 PM Aug 2013

I've been moving all week and missed the Chelsea Manning wars here. [View all]

Thank God.

Because I'm one of the people who might have been labeled a bigot in the heat of the moment.

Not because I am, but because I am crashingly ignorant when it comes to transgender issues, as I have come to find out as this story has unfolded. Just the other day on my Facebook wall, I posited the question - very politely - as to why the military or the government should be "forced" (in Manning's lawyer's words) to pay for her sexual reassignment. "They are supposed to keep him alive and healthy," I said, "but not happy. Wouldn't this process be aimed at making him happy?" - and, yes, I said "him" in the post.

The very first reply I got explained what "body dysmorphia" is, why it is an actual, legitimate medical condition, and why it falls within the yardsticks of the kind of medical matters that keep a prisoner alive and healthy, and not just happy. It made perfect sense, I got it, and came away knowing some things I didn't know before...but then, right on the heels of that exchange, came a barrage of anger and accusations that I am "trans bigoted," etc., basically because I didn't have the answers to these questions in my hip pocket.

It seems I had the DU Manning Experience in a microcosm on Facebook.

In catching up with the doings around here, I've seen some legitimately disgusting and hateful comments. Manning's announcement has exposed a number of deep-seated and repulsive biases within this community, and that fact is not to be denied.

But there are also a lot of people who don't know, who are not versed in the politics and the proprieties of transgender issues, and I've seen a number of instances where they blunder into a thread with that ignorance as the hood ornament. I would have been one of them had my computer not been in a box.

We mean well, and I, for one, have been deeply edified and educated by the conversation on this matter here.

My point: before you take someone's head off at the eyebrows, make sure you're dealing with an actual bigot, and not just someone who is treading new and unfamiliar ground.

#LateToTheParty

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Many of us have been deeply edified and educated by the conversation. k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #1
Indeed, folks need to distinguish ignorance, insensitivity, and malice as separate things. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2
And to distinguish honest ignorance from willfull ignorance. arcane1 Aug 2013 #16
You know, I've been to the Czech Republic Three Times... jberryhill Aug 2013 #3
Same here as far as Korea is concerned GP6971 Aug 2013 #4
Always remember which gu your dong is in jberryhill Aug 2013 #6
Always n/t GP6971 Aug 2013 #15
Praguephobia wercal Aug 2013 #8
I encourage you to look carefully at where the heat has been. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #24
I guess you missed this little gem ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #53
I have seen the thread - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #56
Bullshit. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #65
When you are in a thread discussing the transition (as that thread was) Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #80
Well I saw lots of posts about how vicious some posts were... wercal Aug 2013 #59
If you are going to suggest that the people complaining were innocently Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #61
Well I can't look at everything that was hidden wercal Aug 2013 #102
The tone of that first OP sets my teeth on edge. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #109
Well I am relatively new to typing the pronouns... wercal Aug 2013 #114
Absolutely. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #115
It is hard when one is learning MuseRider Aug 2013 #5
So on Facebook you decided to speak about that of which you are 'crashingly ignorant'? Why? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #7
He did ask a question. Ilsa Aug 2013 #11
Don't bother. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #17
Wow. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #28
Will isn't the one in this picture who is creepy. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #69
I was gratified to read your exchange with Bluenorthwest...it lets me know msanthrope Aug 2013 #41
We should start a support group. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #42
Yeehaw! Circle the wagons! Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #46
Careful Will...hanging out with a noted authoritariancryptofascist will only get you in trouble. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #50
"There has never been a time when I came away from an exchange with Bluenorthwest without feeling.." dionysus Aug 2013 #58
DU used to be Ilsa Aug 2013 #72
There are many to the Right of Conservative around here, passing themselves off as "Democrats". RC Aug 2013 #106
The 'question' came with the assertion that it is about 'happiness' and as such the 'question' was Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #25
You're really stretching. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #26
And you are a constantly aggressive writer, Will, never skip a chance to insult others Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #31
The only bad reaction I got on DU was from you. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #33
Not the only criticism however, and you got blasted on FB and you characterize the reasons as Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #37
Did you get a chance to see the sheep party yet? snooper2 Aug 2013 #112
He posted a question and stated that he learned from it. cui bono Aug 2013 #13
See post #17. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #18
You would think that would be the case. Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #60
I can't speak for Mr. Pitt but... mwooldri Aug 2013 #63
I am so done with you and your hate. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #68
Best Wishes for your family in your new home. May Brigid bless the house where you dwell KittyWampus Aug 2013 #9
Well, now you DO know. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #10
I don't get why you are proud of lacking knowledge and having a limited life experience. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #12
Proud? WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #22
you are fairly advanced in liberal life to have zero knowledge about these things. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36
"I did not know so many are so deeply uninformed." WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #39
That's what I thought when I read his post, too Politicub Aug 2013 #40
Thank you, Bluenorthwest, for sticking with this... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #45
Nope. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #49
Note how deeply alone I am in crticizing your post? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #51
Yep. You win. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #55
No one wins in a converstaion like this, Will, and you know that. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #107
I appreciate you letting me know.. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #74
I've stayed away from all the threads concerning this issue. DinahMoeHum Aug 2013 #14
You're not alone. GP6971 Aug 2013 #20
The heat has been largely directed at individuals Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #19
Very well said. n/t GP6971 Aug 2013 #23
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #27
This. n/t enigmatic Aug 2013 #29
Yes. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #44
This. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #100
I think a lot of us had to adjust to the news. Hydra Aug 2013 #21
JackBeck linked to an excellent essay on HuffPost Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #30
My sympathies on the moving. aquart Aug 2013 #32
It's understandable to not get it, learn, and adapt gollygee Aug 2013 #34
You missed nothing worthwhile. Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #35
In a heteronormative world.... Politicub Aug 2013 #38
When you go to the "why should I pay" argument, you are in right wing land... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #43
Good point. Similar to 'why should I pay for their cable tv?' leftstreet Aug 2013 #48
I'm am going to... one_voice Aug 2013 #52
Yeah. Because most prisoners are child molesters. Snort. Try again. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #70
Don't choke on your snorting... one_voice Aug 2013 #76
Happy prisoners are less inclined to repeat offending. Snort again. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #77
Updated my post... one_voice Aug 2013 #79
Updating after the fact is the bomb. I love pre-arguments. It makes one look Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #81
I was updating as you posted... one_voice Aug 2013 #83
Prisons have the duty to provide medical care to prisoners. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #101
I said I wanted... one_voice Aug 2013 #103
I can give you the question about paying for the surgery dsc Aug 2013 #47
well said.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #54
In the old days here on DU you could ask a question to educate yourself... trumad Aug 2013 #57
^^^^This. - nt Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #62
+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #75
Over the top Vanje Aug 2013 #78
Nope. The response from MANY LGBTs here was over the top. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #90
I dont think ALL of DU's LGBTs Vanje Aug 2013 #93
I find their all or nothing Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #97
Claiming that all members of a minority group 'spit at you' because some criticized you is uncool. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #105
That's a little disingenous, Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #84
You got me wrong... trumad Aug 2013 #98
The intro sounded like DU is so different Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #99
Thats awfully unfair Vanje Aug 2013 #87
trumad, I've learned you can ask what time it is..... steve2470 Aug 2013 #89
It's great to see people being educated on this topic. (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #64
fwiw the honestly ignorant and open-minded here were treated well, on balance steve2470 Aug 2013 #66
I agree Vanje Aug 2013 #82
The problem with that theory (troll infestation) Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #85
some of the people were long-termers, true nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #86
This is why I don't put much value in post counts backscatter712 Aug 2013 #110
I've been found to be guilty of crimes against humanity for ONE time kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #67
sorry you were jumped on so quickly steve2470 Aug 2013 #73
Thank you. You guys KNOW you have a friend in me. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #88
imho (and sorry Skinner)..... steve2470 Aug 2013 #91
I agree. This place has a large population of trolls who are here only to kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #94
The overall Alexa traffic count has been going down for 2 years now (overall) steve2470 Aug 2013 #95
Mr. Pitt, thank you. mwooldri Aug 2013 #71
I don't think Chelsea / Bradley gives a rat's ass what any of us here on DU pnwest Aug 2013 #92
I think that this war started out as a veiled attack against another poster. Th1onein Aug 2013 #96
As has been said many times, Will, enlightenment Aug 2013 #104
I couldn't have said it better myself. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #113
Chelsea Manning's statement, since you brought it up Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #108
I hear everyone moves in August or September in Boston. Baitball Blogger Aug 2013 #111
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