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WillyT

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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 06:34 PM Aug 2013

The NSA Is Commandeering the Internet - TheAtlantic [View all]

The NSA Is Commandeering the Internet
Technology companies have to fight for their users, or they'll eventually lose them.

BRUCE SCHNEIER - TheAtlantic
AUG 12 2013, 10:05 AM ET



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It turns out that the NSA's domestic and world-wide surveillance apparatus is even more extensive than we thought. Bluntly: The government has commandeered the Internet. Most of the largest Internet companies provide information to the NSA, betraying their users. Some, as we've learned, fight and lose. Others cooperate, either out of patriotism or because they believe it's easier that way.

I have one message to the executives of those companies: fight.

Do you remember those old spy movies, when the higher ups in government decide that the mission is more important than the spy's life? It's going to be the same way with you. You might think that your friendly relationship with the government means that they're going to protect you, but they won't. The NSA doesn't care about you or your customers, and will burn you the moment it's convenient to do so.

We're already starting to see that. Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and others are pleading with the government to allow them to explain details of what information they provided in response to National Security Letters and other government demands. They've lost the trust of their customers, and explaining what they do -- and don't do -- is how to get it back. The government has refused; they don't care.

It will be the same with you. There are lots more high-tech companies who have cooperated with the government. Most of those company names are somewhere in the thousands of documents that Edward Snowden took with him, and sooner or later they'll be released to the public. The NSA probably told you that your cooperation would forever remain secret, but they're sloppy. They'll put your company name on presentations delivered to thousands of people: government employees, contractors, probably even foreign nationals. If Snowden doesn't have a copy, the next whistleblower will.

This is why you have to fight. When it becomes public that the NSA has been hoovering up all of your users' communications and personal files, what's going to save you in the eyes of those users is whether or not you fought. Fighting will cost you money in the short term, but capitulating will cost you more in the long term.

Already companies are taking their data and communications out of the US.

The extreme case of fighting is shutting down entirely. The secure e-mail service Lavabit did that last week...

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More: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/08/the-nsa-is-commandeering-the-internet/278572/


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More And More Are Beginning To Awake To The Fact That Government Is Spying On Citizens cantbeserious Aug 2013 #1
The Boogyman is coming too,,,, geeez Cryptoad Aug 2013 #2
First They Came For ... Let's Hope They Don't Come For You cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4
Please,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #14
Hey Toad, I prefer that my phone calls, mail, & email were private. As they should be unless there peacebird Aug 2013 #27
You can be thankful Cryptoad Aug 2013 #36
We? Rex Aug 2013 #46
Yes WE! Cryptoad Aug 2013 #47
"We"? Quantess Aug 2013 #49
The web itself may be public, but the information on it may not be. RC Aug 2013 #6
Like I said ,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #15
Wondering about you. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #19
Are you sure you responded to the correct post? RC Aug 2013 #22
I worried about such things ,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #24
What implied threat? RC Aug 2013 #25
However you Cryptoad Aug 2013 #37
If my E-mails are public, then anyone can read them. We should also be able to be able to read RC Aug 2013 #41
Here you can read one of mine Cryptoad Aug 2013 #42
Couldn't read my E-mails, huh? Didn't think so. RC Aug 2013 #43
Sorry,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #44
Documented evidence make some "lmao" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #11
How funny Cryptoad Aug 2013 #16
Climate deniers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #17
thats cause Cryptoad Aug 2013 #21
I love this line of reasoning the best. "Come on" they say... "How can you not know this was going Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #12
You have Cryptoad Aug 2013 #18
It's an uphill battle fighting against the power of your "why bother" attitude, but Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #20
Good,,,, just dont proclaim Cryptoad Aug 2013 #23
Why are we responding to the Toad? It seems to be a disruptor, at least in this thread peacebird Aug 2013 #29
Reasoned Debate? nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #38
"The TIP of the iceberg." bvar22 Aug 2013 #45
Oh no, Uncle Sam knows about my fetish for tranny porn omg what am I going to do??? Heather MC Aug 2013 #3
You have nothing to fear. zeemike Aug 2013 #7
NOT Granny Porn Heather MC Aug 2013 #10
What would you rather have Grandpa watch? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #35
Granny porn LOLOLOLOL Amonester Aug 2013 #30
I guess you never have to worry about people infringing on your rights when you never exercise them Taitertots Aug 2013 #9
Sure, this is about porn Android3.14 Aug 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Aug 2013 #5
I think the second proffesion people came up with was spying olddots Aug 2013 #8
k and r niyad Aug 2013 #26
well shit, you've got a picture with words on it NightWatcher Aug 2013 #28
K&R newfie11 Aug 2013 #31
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32
^ Wilms Aug 2013 #33
We have to trust the government because they don't trust us. Or, something like that. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #34
Mr. SCHNEIER, like Mr. ZIMMERMAN, knows whereof he speaks. bemildred Aug 2013 #39
The one honest TELCO exec got railroaded. Octafish Aug 2013 #40
Indeed something is rotten all over the globe! Rex Aug 2013 #48
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