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livingwagenow

(373 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 02:09 PM Aug 2013

Obama's Social Security cuts = Bill Clinton's NAFTA [View all]

When the topic is convenient to Republicans, they still love to blame free trade on Clinton, even though the version of NAFTA that we still operate under today isn't the same version that then Pres Clinton signed into law.

A Ray-gun appointed federal judge took a scalpel to Clinton's NAFTA by scrapping the provisions that PROTECTED American jobs by keeping them here by striking down said provision/amendment while keeping the rest of the NAFTA law in place.

Said decision opened up the floodgates for American corps to began outsourcing to Mexico for cheaper labor. Clinton and Bush later expanded free trade into Central American nations.

However, Bush's policies of giving major tax incentives to corporations to outsource is really what gave outsourcing its fangs. Following the Bush tax cuts of 2001, American manufacturing and our factories shut down and outsourced MILLIONS of jobs to China, India etc.

To this day, Clinton still takes most of the blame for the way that outsourcing has ravaged our country to the point of still threatening the demise of our nation. Even though today, Republicans are the party that is protecting job outsourcing by refusing to scale back free trade and by FILIBUSTERING the "Bring Jobs Home Act" to death.

Clinton still takes a large part of the blame for unleashing his American jobs protecting version of NAFTA upon the people, which a federal judge made into the beast of an American job-killing law that NAFTA is today.

Republicans love to blame job outsourcing on Dems when it's conveneint to them, even though they are the party that is hell bent on preserving job outsourcing.

If Obama cuts Social Security and Medicare, the Democratic Party will forever be labeled as a party willing to cut Social Security and a party that really isn't out to protect seniors.

Republicans will use this argument against Dems for DECADES to come, if Obama cuts SS/MC.

They'll blame Dems for harming SS the way they blame Dems for free trade.

We don't need two pro-free-trade parties, we need ALL Dems to be an alternative to pro-FT Rethugs.

We don't need two pro-slash-SS/MC parties, we need ALL Dems to be an alternative to slash/kill-SS Rethugs.

President Obama, will you be the president that Rethugs refer to as proof that Dems harm SS when they are campaigning to seniors? They will tell seniors that it was in fact a Democratic president that slashed SS, if you continue forward with your plan to slash SS.

This will cause great harm to the future of the Democratic Party that will resonate for decades. If seniors can't trust Dems to protect SS, then who do we think they will vote for?

Cutting SS will be Obama's NAFTA and another major strike against the Democratic Party in the future.

Save SS by eliminating the $110,000(approx) annual earning cap where they stop deducting if the person earns more.

Eliminating that cap will save SS. Chaining the cost-of-living is just another weak attempt at kicking the can down the road. It won't save SS.

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Everything About Your Post Is True. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2013 #1
+1 Well said. livingwagenow Aug 2013 #5
I recently checked out the status of stocks I lost my retirement savings on in 2008. Divernan Aug 2013 #25
401k's are a scam - thread & article: CrispyQ Aug 2013 #86
Excellent post. Cleita Aug 2013 #2
Very good post. Welcome to DU. Autumn Aug 2013 #3
Agreed. closeupready Aug 2013 #4
well stated G_j Aug 2013 #6
Ah, bullshit. cliffordu Aug 2013 #7
care to elaborate? nt livingwagenow Aug 2013 #8
Has Obama signed a law that cut Social Security? emulatorloo Aug 2013 #10
A chained cpi is a cut to SS. livingwagenow Aug 2013 #13
Did Obama sign a law containing chained CPI? emulatorloo Aug 2013 #14
Why would a president do a head fake Enthusiast Aug 2013 #70
Obama has advocated publicly or the chained CPI which will mean a cut in my already small JDPriestly Aug 2013 #17
Sorry, not happening. cliffordu Aug 2013 #35
More anti dem bullshit from yet another expert newcomer. cliffordu Aug 2013 #12
"in full lockstep" Phlem Aug 2013 #16
heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #42
Yup! It's called projection! Divernan Aug 2013 #50
Do you live on a SS-like fixed income? livingwagenow Aug 2013 #19
I live on SS. It's well known around here. cliffordu Aug 2013 #32
Actually, I think this is the pro-Clinton/anti-Obama brigade Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #20
I'm every bit as against Bill Clinton as you are for the exact same reasons you mentioned. livingwagenow Aug 2013 #21
I'm not in the pro-Bill Clinton camp either. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #23
Then my post was not directed at you. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #46
NAFTA was created by George Bush Sr. Rex Aug 2013 #28
It's Clinton's NAFTA because he signed it into law. My husband's grandfather was a cattle rancher, liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #39
George H. W. Bush, Brian Mulroney and Carlos Salinas Rex Aug 2013 #48
Not true. Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993... PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #51
It was signed by three different leaders. Rex Aug 2013 #52
Clinton should have refused to sign it. If he had I would have a lot more respect for him. But he liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #59
I could not agree more. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #71
Now that's some bullshit. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #34
Oh, baby! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #72
Exactly liberal N proud Aug 2013 #77
+1.. you don't have to "elaborate" for me. I know exactly what you mean. nm Cha Aug 2013 #57
The TPP certainly does equal NAFTA. And much like Race to the Top is worse than liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #9
Yep. And that's the plan by the PTB, the only ones who matter. No matter what, it's coming. We silvershadow Aug 2013 #11
Nice! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #73
IF - MAYBE -MIGHT Whisp Aug 2013 #15
I left a message just today on whitehouse.gov re: this tom_kelly Aug 2013 #18
Excellent post. Welcome to DU. woo me with science Aug 2013 #22
Except that the main point of the OP is not true at all. I knew you would approve Woo. nt tridim Aug 2013 #27
*Another* attempt at a personal swipe? woo me with science Aug 2013 #36
The OP lied about Obama SS cuts, you know he lied (there are no cuts), and then you defended it. tridim Aug 2013 #37
tridim, it is YOU that is lieing here. livingwagenow Aug 2013 #40
The first four words of your post title are a whole cloth lie. tridim Aug 2013 #43
Really? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #66
Thanks for the welcome! livingwagenow Aug 2013 #38
When was Social Security cut? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #24
Oh ye of little faith. Neo-DU believes it, and that's all that matters. tridim Aug 2013 #29
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^! & LOL! :))))))) nm Cha Aug 2013 #64
+1000 liberal N proud Aug 2013 #78
Where in my OP did I say that SS was cut? livingwagenow Aug 2013 #41
In your title. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #45
I then went on to explain quite well that I was referring to his PROPOSED cuts. nt livingwagenow Aug 2013 #47
I don't see the word "proposed" in your title. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #58
Perhaps you should start reading past the titles. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #67
It was Poppy Bush's NAFTA, I don't know why Bill went along with it. Rex Aug 2013 #26
DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #30
NAFTA = good ... Koios Aug 2013 #31
Excellent post - welcome to DU Divernan Aug 2013 #33
There are NO "Obama SS cuts". None. nt tridim Aug 2013 #44
Not yet, and hopefully never - but not for lack of trying on O's part! Divernan Aug 2013 #49
DEMS reject obamas chained CPI formula for social security. Divernan Aug 2013 #54
Coming to a Station Near YOU in 2014 and 2016! bvar22 Aug 2013 #87
Excellent. Welcome to DU! nt TBF Aug 2013 #53
My understanding is that the proposed cuts are part of an overall budget proposal maui902 Aug 2013 #55
If we had a president that was inclined to preserve Enthusiast Aug 2013 #74
Exactly. The Democratic Party will OWN Social Cuts thanks to Obama. forestpath Aug 2013 #56
lol Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #60
... forestpath Aug 2013 #83
Obama did not cut SS ...he offered CPI which was not accepted ...yet. L0oniX Aug 2013 #61
What is the name of the Judge who struck down the provision protecting American jobs? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #62
Went looking and found this . . . SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #63
Most jobs did not go to Mexico and Canada. Beacool Aug 2013 #65
As of 2010, 682,900 U.S. jobs lost to Mexico via NAFTA Divernan Aug 2013 #68
Thanks for the timely information..........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #75
I don't have time to read your overlong post at the moment. Beacool Aug 2013 #84
Where's the guy that said we can start eating beans? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #69
Obama is cutting Social Security? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #76
His cuts ARE in budget he sent to Congress, as you WELL know! Divernan Aug 2013 #79
I see lots of rhetoric in this thread with nothing referencing any facts liberal N proud Aug 2013 #80
You need reading glasses. See facts in my post 54 IN THIS THREAD! Divernan Aug 2013 #82
This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Aug 2013 #81
Yep. He will destroy what might have been an impressive legacy. It's such a shame. OnionPatch Aug 2013 #85
His lagacy, yes lagacy,will be of complete control of all things by republicans. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #88
Still need the name of the judge who "scrapped provisions that PROTECTED American jobs" SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #89
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