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stopbush

(24,399 posts)
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:39 PM Feb 2012

The Elephant In Santorum's Theological Room: Religion = Make Believe [View all]

When is someone going to have the balls to say it? Religion is make believe, as is the theology based on the make believe.

We're now at the point where Santorum can allege without challenge that science that is based on evidence - tons of evidence - is somehow phony, while there is a "science" in the Bible that is in direct opposition to real science, and that this "Biblical science (sic)" is absolutely true based on faith, and by treating fantasy as if it were fact.

And he's not challenged on this ludicrous assumption because in this country we mistake religious freedom with a freedom to hold absolutely stupid ideas and not have them challenged because they're religious ideas. Indeed, we mistake religious freedom for being a person's right to pass laws that make the rest of us live under the rules of their fantasy world.

Why? Because we can't upset the delicate sensibilities of the religious, who cling to their childish fantasies of talking snakes, zombies roaming the Earth and people coming back from the dead. We're allowed to call anything and everything in this country stupid, from political beliefs to what sports teams we champion, but when it comes to religion, we have to walk on eggs and bite our tongues because religious freedom is allowed under the Constitution.

There is no way that any religious claim can be proven to be true by any objective measure. There's probably more evidence available to prove the existence of werewolves and fairies. Yet, we act like there IS evidence, when there isn't even any objective evidence to prove that any of the great religious figures like Moses and Jesus even existed.

So when the religious dialogue erupts as it always does when the Republics are floundering, we fight the fight with one hand tied behind our back, because for every single FACT that we can advance to make our case, the religious person can come back with a total fiction and aver that it is a fact because their religion treats fantasy as fact. And we're supposed to shuffle our feet and nod in "you're welcome to your belief" agreement.

Perhaps we've reached the point where we can no longer afford to treat at all seriously the conceit that is religious belief. Perhaps we need to be quite clear that having the freedom to believe what you will does not confer a shred of truth or fact to those beliefs. Perhaps the religious are just going to have to grow up and deal with others calling their beliefs what they are, ie: no more based in reality than is a belief in Zeus or Santa Claus.

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made me think of this... handmade34 Feb 2012 #1
how could he ever sit down with foreign leaders IcyPeas Feb 2012 #2
82% of Americans believe in the existence of god Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #3
90% of Americans believed Saddam had WMD, based on what bush said. stopbush Feb 2012 #6
you have to start with the ignorance somewhere snooper2 Feb 2012 #7
everyone is entitled to feel the way they want about God and their roguevalley Feb 2012 #20
I'm not saying you, nor do I care what you believe, but erinlough Feb 2012 #26
and mine too. roguevalley Feb 2012 #28
"82% of Americans believe in the existence of god" - okay, define "god" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #23
A divine or supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient being, creator, etc. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #24
my objection to the wording on those polls; and maybe I'm a grammar Nazi Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #25
I'm waiting for one of these moderators to have the balls or ovaries to ask the age of planet Earth snooper2 Feb 2012 #4
I totally agree Politicalboi Feb 2012 #5
Fighting religion in urban communities FrodosPet Feb 2012 #22
holly man-made constructs appearing nowhere but our own imaginations. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #8
Myth, legend, and make believe zipplewrath Feb 2012 #9
You wrote: stopbush Feb 2012 #11
It gives us a sense of understanding zipplewrath Feb 2012 #31
Thank you for taking the time to express logic and clear thinking in your writing left on green only Feb 2012 #10
At some point, the science side is going to have to play rough izquierdista Feb 2012 #12
Humans are a minor species that like to tell themselves they're special. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #13
Human arrogance is behind a lot of religion. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #21
Somebody had to say it gratuitous Feb 2012 #14
An alternative view not receiving any attention (surprise!!) cbayer Feb 2012 #18
Well put RussBLib Feb 2012 #15
It is mathmatically impossible to build a progressive majority that does not include a lot of Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #16
Damn you!! guitar man Feb 2012 #17
Agreed. Just b/c the world was created by the music of the Ainur Noodleboy13 Feb 2012 #19
I just hope everyone can take a minute to appreciate the funny OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #27
It is not "make believe" to him or to other religious people just because it is to you. undeterred Feb 2012 #29
Just like belief in fairies and vampires isn't make believe to those who believe stopbush Feb 2012 #30
Pointing this out doesn't really give us a way to refute Santorum. undeterred Feb 2012 #36
"make believe" isn't subjective.... mike_c Feb 2012 #33
The very definition of faith is "belief not based on proof." Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #34
There's more "evidence" for the existence of Bigfoot, ghosts, ancient aliens than there is of God Hugabear Feb 2012 #35
hear HEAR! mike_c Feb 2012 #32
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