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Apr 2013

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If it stinks, why pretend that a pile of poo on the sidewalk is the same as a landmine?

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Something to realise [View all] DainBramaged Apr 2013 OP

Soo... the WBC's free speech demonstrations are the same as murderous bombings? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #1

Whoooooooooooooooosh 99Forever Apr 2013 #2

Uh huh. Right. Because WBC protests are JUST the same as murderous bombings. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #4

I even rec'd my own thread. How amazing you can't conceptualize DainBramaged Apr 2013 #7

I can conceptualize 13 victims without legs and 160+ wounded riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #11

No you don't understand and you're simply going to dig yourself a deeper hole DainBramaged Apr 2013 #15

Nope. I think this is a false analogy.nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #18

+10. whathehell Apr 2013 #184

Maybe this one is clearer krawhitham Apr 2013 #238

Is that any different than blaming all gun owners based on the actions a few nut jobs? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #75

What about Niger where Islamic terrorist are trying to over throw the government? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #89

those signs enabled a lot of hurt of murder too. Whisp Apr 2013 #165

Sorry, Whisp, but there's no evidence of that. whathehell Apr 2013 #183

How amazing that you don't understand the concept of an analogy. whathehell Apr 2013 #189

Tell that to George Tiller's family Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #232

Gee, Jeff, I think this comes under the heading of a "day late and a dollar short" whathehell Apr 2013 #235

Quite the feat of hair-splitting... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #239

Um, no, it's actually an entirely different head of hair.. whathehell Apr 2013 #241

No, a bombing is a bombing BainsBane Apr 2013 #10

I'm not. I simply believe this is a false analogy and grotesquely simplifies the situation.nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #20

Subject, verb, etc. tosh Apr 2013 #141

Exactly! and if you get onto a plane with a bunch of white boys on it rustydog Apr 2013 #143

Honest question -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #216

Sorry, Bains, but the surviving brother just admitted "religious fervor" to be the reason whathehell Apr 2013 #197

Conjecture much? 99Forever Apr 2013 #16

How about army of god? Neoma Apr 2013 #240

the point is they don't represent Islam as a whole BainsBane Apr 2013 #3

The message is pretty clear imho. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #25

Really, you have a hard time understanding? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #5

I think its another attempt to portray some of the destructive shit going on in the name of Islam riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #8

I think you need to put your prejudice away and step away from the keyboard. DainBramaged Apr 2013 #9

If not for people think you BainsBane Apr 2013 #12

I'm against any religious terrorism. ALL of it. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #14

Here is what you are buying into with your cmments DainBramaged Apr 2013 #21

Nope. The analogy is flawed imho. A free speech (despicable as it is) comparison with the Boston riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #31

I will spend no more time discussing it with you DainBramaged Apr 2013 #34

but if it's not religious BainsBane Apr 2013 #22

The only commonality between WBC and the Boston Marathoners is the perps self-identify as religious riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #33

200,000 dead in Iraq BainsBane Apr 2013 #62

The OP made the link between the WBC and Islamic terrorists. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #63

What you object to BainsBane Apr 2013 #67

I've never once said the killing is unimportant. In fact its precisely my point riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #84

That really wasn't the point of the OP at all... markpkessinger Apr 2013 #178

Right. Terrorism is terrorism. Doesn't really matter religion, or just ordinary insanity. AAO Apr 2013 #152

or 200,000 deaths in Iraq the name of democracy BainsBane Apr 2013 #153

I'm not going to justify going to war in Iraq, if that's what you're getting at. AAO Apr 2013 #157

those people are 90% of the population BainsBane Apr 2013 #159

You're speaking only for yourself. AAO Apr 2013 #196

I have to ask you, Dain, did you feel the need to educate the Brits on tolerance after 7/7/05? whathehell Apr 2013 #198

Emotionaly it can. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #28

Ok. But did their protest kill anybody? Permanently, physically maim hundreds? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #39

There was one person that commited suicide after the harassment. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #47

I'm truly sorry about that. As you know I've followed your story and journey closely riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #49

"Create a Miranda situation with a suspect of such disgusting proportions our treatment....: uppityperson Apr 2013 #79

The delay in issuing a Miranda warning for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is very troubling riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #87

Oh. Ah. There is legal reason for waiting to use it in certain cases. It is too bad you are so uppityperson Apr 2013 #95

No. Too bad the FBI is too disgustingly afraid to issue a Miranda warning riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #101

hahahahahahahahaha. I keep thinking you are serious and then I appreciate your dry humor. uppityperson Apr 2013 #102

The FBI issued a Miranda Warning yesterday to the suspect in his hospital room yesterday. whathehell Apr 2013 #191

Where in her tweet did she say or imply that? AAO Apr 2013 #150

The booooogie man used to be the Rooooooskies and now it is the Moooooslims. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #161

So clever, If only you didn't miss this rather large point: whathehell Apr 2013 #203

Holy shit. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #19

It was a simple tweet by an innocent proclaiming the right to extract her religion from DainBramaged Apr 2013 #37

There are posters here playing to an outside audience Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #40

Woodwork, I finds them...... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #43

You know, you and Buzz Clik can alert if you think there's some ulterior agenda here. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #48

Is it that hard to see what she said with that tweet? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #90

For some people there's a wilful blindness going on... Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #96

I've said I understand what she means in the tweet but I think her analogy is flawed riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #97

To me what the WBC does is as bad. Stretch714 Apr 2013 #107

Ok. Fair enough and welcome to DU. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #115

Thanks for the welcome. nt Stretch714 Apr 2013 #116

It doesn't say they're the same. tammywammy Apr 2013 #23

I get that. I think the analogy is flawed. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #42

"All Muslims aren't terrorists and all Christians aren't like WBC" is flawed? How? uppityperson Apr 2013 #83

I agreed with tammywammy. HER post isn't flawed. The OP's analogy riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #91

How is it flawed? tammywammy Apr 2013 #92

One is a free speech action, the other is terrorism riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #114

But the actions are not the operative part of the analogy . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #179

Yes, but what you and the OP aren't getting is this: whathehell Apr 2013 #193

I see your hatred and bigotry has affected your understanding Hugabear Apr 2013 #36

No, it didn't. I've said already, I think the analogy is deeply flawed. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #44

Sure, because refusing to accept poor analogies = "hatred and bigotry" whathehell Apr 2013 #205

You are misunderstanding the metaphor I think. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #109

Thanks JDPriestly. Truly. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #117

Hopefully that's what she means. Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #144

You cannot be this ignorant rustydog Apr 2013 #142

Her point is not all muslims are terrorists. She is correct. litlbilly Apr 2013 #149

Well just replace WBC with the abortion clinic bombers malaise Apr 2013 #181

I think Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #186

I am not so sure the tweet is comparing behavior. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #201

Why DUers need to be reminded of something even George Bush knew BainsBane Apr 2013 #6

I don't think DUers need to be so reminded, though some may need reminding whathehell Apr 2013 #204

I'm glad you can BainsBane Apr 2013 #210

Sorry, but I disagree. I don't see anyone here proclaiming their hatred of Muslims or Islam whathehell Apr 2013 #211

One member was just banned BainsBane Apr 2013 #212

On this thread specifically you call DUers bigots who simply dislike the analogy riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #213

Wow. whathehell Apr 2013 #214

Here's a quote from a mainstream rightwinger: Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #13

For the challenged here, neither Muslims or Christians want a small group of radicals shraby Apr 2013 #17

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #24

+1 n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #26

This I can agree with. I simply think the analogy is false. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #27

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #194

That is also my interpretation of the tweet. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #202

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2013 #220

Why don't we characterize Scott Roeder as a Christian terrorist? Downwinder Apr 2013 #29

I would. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #41

I do; also Shelley Shannon, Eric Rudolph and all anti-abortion terrorists REP Apr 2013 #64

Substitute Abortion Clinic bombers and you'd have a lot better analogy Fumesucker Apr 2013 #30

(sigh) the tweet stands on it's own, no need to dissect it thank you DainBramaged Apr 2013 #32

DU is a discussion board, I'm discussing your OP not dissecting it Fumesucker Apr 2013 #35

.... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #38

To my mind that makes it even worse Fumesucker Apr 2013 #45

Here too DainBramaged Apr 2013 #46

Gun owners view criminals who use guns.... The Straight Story Apr 2013 #50

Nope, most us us simply want tighter controls on who gets a gun DainBramaged Apr 2013 #51

Ah, but it is not about gun agenda The Straight Story Apr 2013 #52

I refuse to undulge you and your gun fetish DainBramaged Apr 2013 #53

So, in other words, you are wrong The Straight Story Apr 2013 #55

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year DainBramaged Apr 2013 #56

Some interests in society BainsBane Apr 2013 #61

No we are not BainsBane Apr 2013 #60

The religion still sucks. Apophis Apr 2013 #54

And Christianity is any different? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #58

Christianity sucks too. Apophis Apr 2013 #66

There you go BainsBane Apr 2013 #108

You thrive on stirring shit, don't you? Apophis Apr 2013 #111

yeh for some folks it seems like every post.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #137

If someone is going to espouse bigotry BainsBane Apr 2013 #154

What I am is someone who finds bigotry repulsive BainsBane Apr 2013 #155

Since when is pointing out facts considered bigotry? Apophis Apr 2013 #160

What facts? BainsBane Apr 2013 #164

Post 73 and 80. Apophis Apr 2013 #166

Now you care about women's rights? BainsBane Apr 2013 #169

Interesting that your litmus test for carrying about LGBT BainsBane Apr 2013 #172

Cherry-picked facts may be individually factual, but serve to create a false whole Scootaloo Apr 2013 #182

"Bigotry" is a strong word and, at times, well-meaning people disagree on what constitutes it, IMO. whathehell Apr 2013 #217

Women's rights not to be beaten are at least protected by law in Western aka "Christian" countries. whathehell Apr 2013 #209

So relieved no non-Muslim men beat their wives BainsBane Apr 2013 #59

I'm criticizing a religion. Apophis Apr 2013 #65

Because you don't know what you're talking about BainsBane Apr 2013 #69

As a bisexual atheist, I'd be put to death in an Islamic country. Apophis Apr 2013 #73

My Muslim son-in-law Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #77

Fail? Apophis Apr 2013 #80

You're talking about countries and their laws Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #85

And what are the laws based on? Apophis Apr 2013 #86

A perverted reading of the Koran, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #100

do you think a country whose laws are based on the Bible interpreted by wingnuts JI7 Apr 2013 #118

Okay, given your vast knowledge BainsBane Apr 2013 #171

Provide evidence that is the case BainsBane Apr 2013 #167

You would not be put to death in Indonesia, one of the most populous Islamic countries in the world Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #81

Indonesia is religiously diverse, and 53 of the provences have Islamic majority and jail Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #135

I don't know where you get those numbers from, but they're wrong & it is not illegal to be gay Turborama Apr 2013 #147

I believe that the the only part of Indonesia with Sharia Law is Aceh BainsBane Apr 2013 #168

You profess hatred for the rest if the world BainsBane Apr 2013 #98

Hyperbole much? Apophis Apr 2013 #104

No one is putting you to death BainsBane Apr 2013 #110

I'm not wrong. Apophis Apr 2013 #113

But you are wrong with the broadbrush generalisations... Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #127

depends on which islamic country , not in turkey or tunisia JI7 Apr 2013 #112

Which predominately Christian countries have anything pipoman Apr 2013 #71

Provide evidence BainsBane Apr 2013 #76

This is a good one too.. pipoman Apr 2013 #119

Have you heard of something called the nation-state? BainsBane Apr 2013 #121

LOL pipoman Apr 2013 #218

You cited two links about "Islam" BainsBane Apr 2013 #221

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #215

That's just bullshit. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #68

I'm with you BainsBane Apr 2013 #70

I'm quite certain we must have Muslim members of DU Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #74

I'm pretty sure people here have made sure we have very few BainsBane Apr 2013 #78

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #82

that happens in some Christian families also JI7 Apr 2013 #93

Yes it does. Apophis Apr 2013 #94

and there are muslim and christian families where it doesn't happen JI7 Apr 2013 #99

Very, very well said. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #103

Okay, I guess someone needs to spell it out in big block letters: Mister Ed Apr 2013 #57

WE GET IT. That doesn't make her analogy anything more than superficially clever....but factually WinkyDink Apr 2013 #133

Some of us get what she is saying very well and simply disagree. Occulus Apr 2013 #151

That comparison does not hold up at all RZM Apr 2013 #72

Can you blame them really for having negative feelings against Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #88

No argument over that RZM Apr 2013 #106

have you seen the polls in America about Obama JI7 Apr 2013 #105

You've presented a false dichotomy here Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #120

The false dichotomy is in the tweet itself RZM Apr 2013 #122

But I appreciate the point she was trying to make Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #124

So what was a message of peace has turned into a thread of hatred and gun agenda hijackers DainBramaged Apr 2013 #123

It was a noble effort, DainBramaged. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #125

I agree. And it is heartening to see that more of us got it than not n/t Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #128

It was a good post. uppityperson Apr 2013 #126

It's a message of peace backed by good intentions. But it's still a bad comparison RZM Apr 2013 #129

Really DainBramaged Apr 2013 #130

It's not about my viewpoint RZM Apr 2013 #131

Why is it necessary to make this bigger than it is? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #138

And nothing to do with bigotry or prejudice or all Muslim or Christian people etc nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #148

You just don't want to give it up do you? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #188

Recommend! KoKo Apr 2013 #132

You know what? I've seen plenty of Christians protest the WBC. Still waiting for the WinkyDink Apr 2013 #134

As always, I point out to people of faith that Westboro flourished not because the good Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #136

Yeah, well, as despicable as WBC is, they haven't bombed anything as far as I know. catbyte Apr 2013 #139

So you're of the 'All Muslims are terrorists' camp? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #140

Not at all. It's a bogus equivalency and I am flabbergasted that you made that leap catbyte Apr 2013 #145

"well, as despicable as WBC is, they haven't bombed anything " DainBramaged Apr 2013 #146

What in the WORLD is "shameful" about noting that WBC hasn't bombed anything"? whathehell Apr 2013 #219

I bet you weren't expecting such...odd responses ecstatic Apr 2013 #156

I view Islam the same way I view all horrible belief systems based on faith... MellowDem Apr 2013 #158

I understand what point she's making... BlueCheese Apr 2013 #162

. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #163

How many people's limbs have been blown off by the WBC? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #170

Pointing that out is bigotry. Apophis Apr 2013 #173

Westboro Murders People? NWLib Apr 2013 #174

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what she said DainBramaged Apr 2013 #175

Just proves that stupid people, progressive or conservative, are...well...stupid Android3.14 Apr 2013 #176

How sad for your children you are teaching them bigotry, how sad DainBramaged Apr 2013 #187

Please. He's agnostic and certainly does not indicate that he is teaching "bigotry" to his kids whathehell Apr 2013 #195

What you call bigotry, a critical thinker calls enlightened self-interest Android3.14 Apr 2013 #222

And a pancake is a waffle is an ice cream cone DainBramaged Apr 2013 #223

See, even you agree Android3.14 Apr 2013 #225

Bullshit, that's the Republican way, telling me I agree, I don't agree with you period DainBramaged Apr 2013 #226

Then I guess I don't understand your definition of bigot Android3.14 Apr 2013 #227

thank you for trying. I suppose back in the the 1930's someone who spoke up against Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #177

Truth DainBramaged Apr 2013 #185

"the simplest truths are the hardest to understand, and there is a LOT of misunderstanding" here. whathehell Apr 2013 #208

Way to miss the point.. whathehell Apr 2013 #200

Profound malaise Apr 2013 #180

Off The Mark whathehell Apr 2013 #207

muslims equate free speech idiots with bomb tossing murderers? CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #190

Exactly total false equivalency. Total. NWLib Apr 2013 #199

No...The false equivalency belongs to the OP for imagining that most here on DU whathehell Apr 2013 #206

wow this post and replies fell off the rail..... madrchsod Apr 2013 #192

If the truth was that her analogy is bad Android3.14 Apr 2013 #224

I am amazed at how hard a few 'members' worked here to try and spread their own message of hate DainBramaged Apr 2013 #228

The problem here is the difference between what she meant to say, and what she actually said. reformist2 Apr 2013 #229

Whatever you'd like to imagine, whatever DainBramaged Apr 2013 #230

It appears to be your imagination that's at issue Android3.14 Apr 2013 #231

Thank you, Yasira Jaan - most excellent point. closeupready Apr 2013 #233

It is amazing how this was received here, simply amazing DainBramaged Apr 2013 #234

It's amazing to you, at least. not so much to me and some others here whathehell Apr 2013 #236

The reception speaks highly of the overall critical thinking skills of the progressive mindset Android3.14 Apr 2013 #237