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In reply to the discussion: Authoritarianism is a sickness. [View all]Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)103. Would you say that there are no authoritarian structures in Somalia?
Remember, your original assertion in your post #5.
Yes, but paradoxically any workable system has to include elements of authoritarianism (diluted to become social order and lawfulness) and anarchy (individual liberty).
Anarchists per se don't exist in the US, but anarchy does exist in the world--see Somalia and Mali and Syria for how wonderful anarchy is for people.
Indulging either element leads to evils.
Anarchists per se don't exist in the US, but anarchy does exist in the world--see Somalia and Mali and Syria for how wonderful anarchy is for people.
Indulging either element leads to evils.
You say "Anarchists" (people who subscribe to some variant of the philosophy of anarchism) "per se don't exist in the US" <which is either incorrect, or an outright lie, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt>, then go on to apply that very context to "Somalia and Mali and Syria" to see "how wonderful anarchy is for people."
You've no doubt wasted a bunch of people's time in this thread arguing that definitions and context are important, yet in the context you've used above - discounting everything we've argued about so far - you are still incorrect in applying that to Somalia, to Mali, and to Syria.
So, you can argue semantics, apply dictionary definitions consisting of a couple sentences to describe something so complex as anarchism (I've provided my dictionary definitions, too, supplanted by anarchist literature), but in the end, it is your original assertion as quoted above that has invalidated all of your subsequent arguments.
Your context (your argument) which you think applies, and the context of anarchism in general (my argument) doesn't apply to any of the countries you listed. And to think, all I had to do was use your argument all along to rest my case.
But if you insist on still being ignorant, or not even being consistent with your own words and context, then more power to you. Afterall, I'd hate to be an authoritarian and actually ask you to even reconcile your own arguments!
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And the best research was reported by a lifelong Republican, turned Independant.
longship
Apr 2013
#1
He signed a book for me when he spoke with Michael Moore at Wadsworth Theater
pinboy3niner
Apr 2013
#9
Nazis and Stalinists on one end. People who pretty much don't exist on the other end.
cthulu2016
Apr 2013
#3
In the context of this discussion it is an incorrect use for a word that has many meanings
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#32
Oh dear, you've confused yourself so much that you're arguing with yourself.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#37
Authoritarianism is more than a belief system--it is a real world practice and phenomenon.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#64
Would you say that there are no authoritarian structures in Somalia?
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#103
For the umpteenth time, I'm really not interested in discussing anarchism.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#104
It appears that you're not even interested in defending your own context, either.
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#105
You're incorrect according to the context you provided in your original assertion.
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#107
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Sorry that it chafes you that I won't submit
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#110
You're conflating anarchism the theory and anarchy as it exists in the real world.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#61
"which is not a synonym for chaos or disorder, according to application or theory"
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#87
You're arguing anarchy with an authoritarian. Your head will stop hurting once you quit
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#54
No, he's arguing anarchy with a non-anarchist. You use the term "authoritarian"
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#63
No, I am very familiar with what you've written on a variety of topics and the positions you
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#71
You might have noticed that I didn't reply to you, I offered Fantastic Anarchist some friendly
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#78
Heh, you interpret disagrement as "attempts to exercise your own imagined authority."
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#80
I think that I should have taken your advice. It is greatly appreciated.
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#85
It's easy to get wrapped up in it. I usually do it myself, but life has recently compelled me
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#94
Anarchists do not have the exclusive authority and power to define the word 'anarchy'
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#90
Ahh, didn't you just chastise someone else for them calling you an authoritarian?
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#92
I didn't say you were authoritarian, I said that asserting one's own viewpoint
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#96
Linear social and cultural constructs are usually so simplistic as to be false.
Hissyspit
Apr 2013
#10
You're saying anarchism is on the same continuum as authoritarianism?
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#11
Bonus Bonus Question: Where are you getting that Somalia is "anarchy?"
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#17
With all due respect, It is only understood that way by stupid or uneducated people
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#27
Yes, only stupid people associate words with their commonly understood meaning
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#34
As used in psychology, it's heavily infused with political and cultural assumptions.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#39
US authoritarian politicians are apparently more likely to be conservative, and be republicans.
Zorra
Apr 2013
#86
I believe the authoritarian is a child that fears that their own lack of impulse control is the
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#21
Most nu-dems and third wayers infesting this board are rabid authoritarians
whatchamacallit
Apr 2013
#25
"Infesting" is a dehumanizing term, itself a hallmark of authoritarian thought.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#74
Your excellent post reminds me of the times I have seen support for idea of 'benevolent dictators'
pampango
Apr 2013
#51
thanks for your excellent original post; I was merely quoting Erich Fromm
carolinayellowdog
Apr 2013
#59
thanks for the titles suggestions; I've been an admirer based on secondary sources
carolinayellowdog
Apr 2013
#102
Thank You. For some any authority impinging on someone's right to do anything they please
KittyWampus
Apr 2013
#66
Yes it is, and one of the worst aspects, as with many sicknesses, is that people who have it...
slackmaster
Apr 2013
#53
I would label it a mind virus, like evangelical Christianity and Fundamentalist anything
Taverner
Apr 2013
#84
all my siblings are as anti-authoritarian as I, which fits the historical legacy
carolinayellowdog
Apr 2013
#111