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patrice

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31. I agree with everything the Left/Liberals say about Social Security. & You are using talking points
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013

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that reward people for staying home in 2014, IOW, "My way or the highway" and the highway IS what you and everything that you want (which, BTW, is pretty much exactly what I want too) are going to get.

The ends DO NOT justify the means and when YOUR means hurt people who did not get a chance to make their own free choices about the pain that YOU are delivering, that makes you no better than the oppressor you claim to be struggling against.

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Read up on alternative energy news, madfloridian, NOTHING is going to work except: 1. GET RID OF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE (& I'll give you just one guess who THAT'S going to be); and/or 2. As many people as possible need to move in together to reduce and share energy resources.

WHICH of those two solutions is quicker and more feasible politically and economically?

OBVIOUSLY 1. is, so that's what destruction of the basically socialistically* inclined "democracy" that we have going on right now will produce and destruction of the socialistically inclined "democracy" (that IS being fucked over by corporate personhood) is what will be delivered by what calls itself "the Left", under the AUTHORITARIAN influence of Libertarians and Anarchists, WILL DELIVER.

Mark my words, there ARE those amongst what calls itself "the Left" who see 1. as a perfectly justifiable means to the end of "saving Earth" and oh so coincidentally, themselves, which they'll actually fail at because they and their very own citizens of the archipelagos will throw away so much value that it is possible that what comes next also will not be viable, or it will be viable for less and less and less and richer and richer and richer people, eating up yet another whole class of SERFS, until Earth's climate stabilizes.

In short, what calls itself "the Left" is selling BULLSHIT under popular marketing labels directed at younger generations' responses to FADS. It's another "man behind the curtain" with its own objectives that you and a bunch of other people are ASSUMING are the same as yours and, whereas some short term stuff may look satisfactory to you, the END GAME is the same as the 1%'s. They're just buying a different set of serfs.

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What we need is TIME! Time to make 2. happen and people who pedal propaganda from what calls itself "the Left" and actively promote staying home in 2014, or working AGAINST Democrats, ARE THROWING AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DECADES AWAY. They are not admitting that. You're supposed to believe "Presto Chango = Egalitarian Paradise with exactly whatever your dreams are about all of that in full effect." Don't believe me? Press them on these issues and see how much you're included with the in-kids "Leftie" hipsters after you ask the wrong QUESTIONS.

Just like the oppressor, what calls itself "the Left" will tell you whatever you want to hear AND very likely WILL fail at what they say they are up to anyway, because whatever they create will STILL run on nothing but MONEY and OIL.

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* And if you doubt that we are a socialistically inclined "democracy", look up figures on how many people in the entire population receive some form of GOVERNMENT/TAX money of somekind (haven't seen this stuff for a while, but I recall it being something close to a quarter of all individuals, throw in the way that we subsidize Wall Street and we have nearly full on socialism going on, socialism that's schizoid because of capitalist leeches who are LYING about how things work). I'm NOT against individuals receiving government support, but ours is a WARPED kind of socialism, with the WRONG kind of power structures because of FLAWS IN OUR CONSTITUTION that allow things like government subsidized Corporate Personhood LIARS, so the socialism is tilted toward corporations, and gets called capitalism, a lie (hence the Libertarian angst).

Do you think we should throw away ALL of the ground we have gained and start over with nothing? That's what calls itself "the Left" wants and it has it's own corporate persons to make that happen.

Kabuki. Both corporate parties want to alsame Apr 2013 #1
Obama apparently does (N/T) vi5 Apr 2013 #4
Yes, under the guise of 'saving' it. But the Third alsame Apr 2013 #14
Great job, Mr. Prez Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #2
Yep. That it does. Autumn Apr 2013 #3
How could ANYBODY have seen that coming?! markpkessinger Apr 2013 #5
Thanks for that information.. I also saw Rachel debate Axelrod last night...He was pathetic. whathehell Apr 2013 #6
Raising the cap is a nonstarter with RebupliCONs, they consider it just xtraxritical Apr 2013 #27
Fine....Then lets just leave it the fuck ALONE whathehell Apr 2013 #39
Hey, I'm the choir! xtraxritical Apr 2013 #48
Good to hear, because, as you may have heard, not everyone's "on board" whathehell Apr 2013 #55
Yes, she did a great job with him. madfloridian Apr 2013 #41
I heard several pundits saying the President was eager to make a deal with Republicans. . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #7
Amen to that. madfloridian Apr 2013 #43
that sums it up Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #59
Yep, that's the game. woo me with science Apr 2013 #8
Thanks for the picture of the "don't vote/donate/volunteer in 2014" crowd. I'll put it to good use. patrice Apr 2013 #36
That angers me when you say that. madfloridian Apr 2013 #47
You know ProSense Apr 2013 #9
Do you see the position we democrats are in now?? We have our Republican 'friends' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #15
Calling out Repubs for their bullshit doesn't invalidate Democratic bullshit. progressoid Apr 2013 #16
No ProSense Apr 2013 #19
NEWSFLASH --- Touch the third rail: expect to get shocked. progressoid Apr 2013 #21
So both of us are posting DKos articles. They are speaking up over there about cuts. madfloridian Apr 2013 #24
Just as we predicted. I saw that and was not in the least surprised. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #10
Totally infuriating. madfloridian Apr 2013 #12
Who's the "stupid" party now? no sarcasm. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #28
K&R Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #11
Amazing I got censored for saying just that on another thread. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #20
It all depends on Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #42
Agree! Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #45
It could be that xtraxritical Apr 2013 #53
The denouement Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #64
Maybe this is some of that Obama "3-dimensional-Chess" I've been hearing so much about. 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #13
The Left and Liberals are supposed to stand up for themselves in a way that WORKS, instead of patrice Apr 2013 #17
Social Security works and works well. madfloridian Apr 2013 #22
I agree with everything the Left/Liberals say about Social Security. & You are using talking points patrice Apr 2013 #31
What have we gained on the party's journey rightward on education and safety nets? madfloridian Apr 2013 #34
We've gained each other & many more besides, but that's NOT going to work without SOLIDARITY. patrice Apr 2013 #37
It's hard to have solidarity with so many being harmed. madfloridian Apr 2013 #38
They want to behave like the GOP and then are shocked Rex Apr 2013 #58
Why would anyone want solidarity with someone like you that Rex Apr 2013 #57
Exactly - obedience to the leader is the basis of all true SOLIDARITY Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #60
nothing to better to change someones mind on an idea is to let them think they thought of it first hockeynut57 Apr 2013 #18
Yes, it is theater matt819 Apr 2013 #23
What's outrageous, but which lots of us saw coming Babel_17 Apr 2013 #25
No, it was not worth it to see that image damaged. Good point. madfloridian Apr 2013 #49
But what about this thought Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2013 #26
It proves once again--the Repubs are against ANYTHING that Pres. Obama wants to do. asjr Apr 2013 #33
AND...if the Republicans are now trying to tout themselves as the saviours of SS Sheepshank Apr 2013 #40
I agree. Democrats have never offered to cut Social Security and Medicare since it was created jwirr Apr 2013 #29
If he's serious, then it's not chess anymore. madfloridian Apr 2013 #52
Yes, I wanted a president I could support and work with to get this mess fixed instead I have an jwirr Apr 2013 #61
I'm looking at the crawl on that screen. It says that the President thinks his budget will sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #30
Agree he's a very smart man. But he has lousy advisors. madfloridian Apr 2013 #46
LOL!!! They were talking about privatizing it before! Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #32
Obama has allowed himself to be surrounded Third Doctor Apr 2013 #35
the dems are laying the ground for jeb in 2016. could there be any better demonstration that HiPointDem Apr 2013 #44
And... madfloridian Apr 2013 #50
Daily Kos on top of this issue. Another great McJoan diary today. madfloridian Apr 2013 #51
William Greider has a great article on this issue up at The Nation. madfloridian Apr 2013 #54
And we're supposedly the stupid ones for not understanding what a brilliant political move this HiPointDem Apr 2013 #56
It will be interesting to see how much he will be willing to compromise on this issue? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #62
kick woo me with science Apr 2013 #63
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