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WillyT

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:51 PM Dec 2012

The Fix Is In... [View all]

Though Liberals Carp at Chained CPI, Pelosi Says She Could Live With It
By: David Dayen - FDL
Tuesday December 18, 2012 2:20 pm

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Others will have to live with it, too.

Many of what would be described as the liberal left of Congress have weighed in against using the chained CPI to calculate cost of living increases in Social Security benefits. Here’s a representative sample from Sen. Jeff Merkley:

We had an election, and the voters sent a message to Congress to focus on jobs and fairness — not cutting benefits for people who have worked all their lives and are now making ends meet on fixed incomes. The formula we use to adjust cost-of-living changes for seniors needs to reflects the real costs they face, not the budgetary fantasies of Washington.


I mean that’s precisely it. You will hear virtually nobody claim that chained CPI represents a more accurate way of determining the cost of living for senior citizens on Social Security, because if they were honest about it, they would tailor an inflation index to the real costs of seniors. The only benefit to chained CPI is that it saves the government money at the expense of senior citizens. That’s it. It’s a back-door way of lowering the benefit. Even if you agree with the methodology of the substitution effect, that people will manage the cost of living by purchasing less expensive products, you have to ask yourself if seniors have been getting away with murder all these years under the old rules. And considering they get an average annual benefit of just $13,000, and that almost half of them use that as their only form of income, without savings or anything else to fall back on, the very idea is preposterous. And the public, who has a working knowledge of Social Security benefits and how far they stretch, agrees.

Regardless of the carping of a few of those liberals and the majority of the country, however, Nancy Pelosi basically gave the game away: she will force her charges to stick with the President.

Despite these changes, Pelosi said she could convince her caucus to get behind such a plan, if need be.

“Do you think you could sell it to your caucus?” MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell asked Pelosi in an interview on Tuesday.

“I do,” replied Pelosi, adding, “Yes, the Democrats will stick with the president — and maybe not every single one of them.”


Pelosi tried to emphasize the unformed idea that there would be “protections” for the most vulnerable. For example, the disabled on Supplemental Security Income might not be subject to chained CPI, and there could be a “bump-up” for people aged 80, to compensate for the cumulative effect of the benefit cut. Again, the vulnerable are a massive part of this population. This is almost the entire income source for almost half of seniors, and for 3/4 of widows or unmarried women. And 15.1% of seniors live in poverty. And if you hold all of them harmless, you erode the actual savings you can derive from this. The three-legged stool of retirement has withered away, especially since the dot-com bust and the Great Recession. This argues strongly for increasing Social Security benefits, not cutting them and not even mitigating cuts.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney called this a “technical fix” to better calculate inflation. Bullshit. If this were just a technical fix, you would adjust so that the fix wouldn’t hit beneficiaries in a regressive fashion, with the most pain at the bottom. This plan doesn’t, to any real degree. The goal isn’t to properly measure inflation, it’s to save money for the federal government. It always has been.

The question worth asking, then, is if we want to cut Social Security benefits, why are we talking about chained-CPI, rather than some other approach to cutting benefits that’s perhaps more equitable? The answer is that chained-CPI’s role in correcting inflation measurement error is helpful in distracting people from its role in cutting Social Security benefits. Politicians who are unwilling or unable to offer a persuasive political or policy rationale for cutting Social Security benefits are instead hiding behind a technocratic rationale. We’re not “cutting benefits,” we’re “correcting our inflation measure.”

A similar dynamic is behind the popularity of raising the retirement age, or the Medicare eligibility age: Its advocates can pretend that it’s not a cut, but a technical adjustment made to account for the fact that Americans are living longer. Compared to other approaches to cutting benefits, raising the retirement age is, again, a substantively unwise, regressive approach. But it can be justified as a mere technocratic tweak.


The phrase “banality of evil” comes to mind.

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More: http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/12/18/though-liberals-carp-at-chained-cpi-pelosi-says-she-could-live-with-it/



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There went the last rug from under my retirement liberal N proud Dec 2012 #1
And in the end, courtesy of your friends in the Democratic Party! villager Dec 2012 #3
Of course she can MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #2
What does Third Way Manny think about this? neverforget Dec 2012 #4
It's time to have an adult conversation about death MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #56
So, now instead of looking at having to work another 15 years RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5
I think that is the plan, Romney Skittles Dec 2012 #8
I ran the math again, it would be twenty years before my wife could retire RomneyLies Dec 2012 #9
well nothing is in stone Skittles Dec 2012 #11
Did so several times already today. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #13
I hear you, I really do Skittles Dec 2012 #26
NO !!! - I Hear What You're Saying, But Please... Take Care of Yourself !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #10
I simply cannot face another 30 years of working. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #12
Because You Have People That Love You WillyT Dec 2012 #14
I'm looking at the numbers RomneyLies Dec 2012 #16
Ask Her... What SHE Thinks Of Your Proposed Plan... WillyT Dec 2012 #19
no, RomneyLies Skittles Dec 2012 #28
It's not what anybody wants RomneyLies Dec 2012 #32
I understand what femrap Dec 2012 #20
There are train tracks a few blocks away. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #23
Dude... Talk To Somebody... Professional... WillyT Dec 2012 #24
Dude, this is a business decision RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25
I Will End With This... Your Wife Is Your Partner... Are You Going To Let Her Know Of Your Decision WillyT Dec 2012 #33
This business decision is 100% personal, my wife has no part in it. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #36
Business Decisions Generally Suck As Of Late, But... WillyT Dec 2012 #38
Thanks RomneyLies Dec 2012 #39
So... You Could Teach... Ya Know...Spread The Word... You're Just What We Need These Days... WillyT Dec 2012 #40
you feel bad about it Skittles Dec 2012 #45
I have notes RomneyLies Dec 2012 #47
Channel Your Anger... WillyT Dec 2012 #54
social security will still be there even if the chained cpi goes into effect, so you can postpone HiPointDem Dec 2012 #48
I'm 50. I've done the math RomneyLies Dec 2012 #52
I hope that calculation will be changed soon for you. Wait & see. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55
We all have femrap Dec 2012 #27
I could never do it with a gun or pills RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30
I wish the law femrap Dec 2012 #59
MERRY XMAS FROM YOUR FRIENDS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! DJ13 Dec 2012 #6
So disappointing, and predictable. morningfog Dec 2012 #7
I don't suppose this will be applied to Congressional salaries and pensions. dflprincess Dec 2012 #15
They should have their benefits cut as well Generic Other Dec 2012 #18
I look for the republicans to stick B Calm Dec 2012 #17
Nah.... femrap Dec 2012 #21
Thieves. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2012 #22
I wanna see the final bill cliffordu Dec 2012 #29
of course pelosi "can live with it"...she has a GREAT pension plan. Mel Content Dec 2012 #31
daughter of a congressman, sister of a mayor, connected into democratic politics from birth, she's HiPointDem Dec 2012 #49
Obama rightfully condemned the murders of 20 children in Sandy Hook. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #34
Well said Liberalynn Dec 2012 #37
He often says he how much he loved his grandmother BuelahWitch Dec 2012 #50
It wouldn't. She was a banker. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #53
+100. you have said it more poetically than my usual "the fuckers are killing people". HiPointDem Dec 2012 #51
+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #58
WHERE ARE THE TEARS FOR THE POOR, DISABLED AND ELDERLY? arjazz Dec 2012 #61
Sure. Congress all gets a pension. So all this talk of "tough choices" is for other people. Matariki Dec 2012 #35
It is Time bob4460 Dec 2012 #41
Willy, you should see the video clips I've compiled Oilwellian Dec 2012 #42
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #44
National Women's Law Center has some great memes Liberalynn Dec 2012 #43
Pelosi doesn't *have to* fucking "live with it". who cares what she thinks? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46
Helping to close drug donut hole, more than offsets any "loss" due to C-CPI. Hoyt Dec 2012 #57
I knew it!!!! arjazz Dec 2012 #60
47% of the members of Congress are millionaries... KansDem Dec 2012 #62
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