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Better Believe It

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Fri Jan 20, 2012, 02:36 PM Jan 2012

"President Barack Obama has signed a death knell for the Bill of Rights." [View all]

2012's Civil Liberties Apocalypse Has Already Happened
by Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis
January 19, 2012


In case you missed it, President Barack Obama has signed a death knell for the Bill of Rights.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) makes a mockery of our basic civil liberties. It shreds the intent of the Founders to establish a nation where essential rights are protected. It puts us all at risk for arbitrary, indefinite incarceration with no real rights to recourse.

.... it also includes Sections 1021 and 1022, bitterly opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch, among many others. The New York Times urged Obama to veto the bill because of them. The UK-based Guardian said NDAA 2012 allows allows for indefinite detention of US citizens "without trial [of] American terrorism subjects arrested on U.S. soil, who could then be shipped to Guantanamo Bay." The Kansas City Star was equally blunt, stating that the NDAA is "trampling the bill of rights in defense's name."

Section 1021 reasserts the President's authority to use the military to detain any person "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners." It also includes the military's power to detain anyone who commits a "belligerent act" against the U.S. or its coalition allies under the law of war. Despite widespread public pressure, Obama did not veto the bill. In his signing statement he said: "I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists."

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/19-10


Harvey Wasserman is senior advisor to Greenpeace USA and the Nuclear Information & Resource Service. He and Bob Fitrakis have co-authored four books on election protection, including Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election?, As Goes Ohio: Election Theft Since 2004 , How the GOP Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008, and What Happened in Ohio. BBI

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President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Into Law
December 31, 2011


President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) today, allowing indefinite detention to be codified into law. As you know, the White House had threatened to veto an earlier version of the NDAA but reversed course shortly before Congress voted on the final bill. While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use it and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations.

The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield.

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again. The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. In addition, the breadth of the NDAA’s detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.

We are extremely disappointed that President Obama signed this bill even though his administration is already claiming overly-broad detention authority in court. Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back those claims dimmed today. Thankfully we have three branches of government, and the final word on the scope of detention authority belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA


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US: Refusal to Veto Detainee Bill A Historic Tragedy for Rights
President Decides to Sign Ill-Conceived National Defense Authorization Act
December 14, 2011


Washington, DC) – US President Barack Obama’s apparent decision to not veto a defense spending bill that codifies indefinite detention without trial into US law and expands the military’s role in holding terrorism suspects does enormous damage to the rule of law both in the US and abroad, Human Rights Watch said today. The Obama administration had threatened to veto the bill, the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), over detainee provisions, but on December 14, 2011, it issued a statement indicating the president would likely sign the legislation.

“By signing this defense spending bill, President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “In the past, Obama has lauded the importance of being on the right side of history, but today he is definitely on the wrong side.”

The far-reaching detainee provisions would codify indefinite detention without trial into US law for the first time since the McCarthy era when Congress in 1950 overrode the veto of then-President Harry Truman and passed the Internal Security Act. The bill would also bar the transfer of detainees currently held at Guantanamo into the US for any reason, including for trial. In addition, it would extend restrictions, imposed last year, on the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo to home or third countries – even those cleared for release by the administration.

“It is a sad moment when a president who has prided himself on his knowledge of and belief in constitutional principles succumbs to the politics of the moment to sign a bill that poses so great a threat to basic constitutional rights,” Roth said.

Read the full article at:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/14/us-refusal-veto-detainee-bill-historic-tragedy-rights

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Keep trying...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #1
+1000 spanone Jan 2012 #2
+1,000,000! It is so clear to me what's going on here at DU. Obama-Biden 2012!! n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #21
+1 tallahasseedem Jan 2012 #33
+ 1 AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #44
Thank you Sid! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #73
Yep.... WCGreen Jan 2012 #84
now sid, don't piss in anyone's bowl of trollios... dionysus Jan 2012 #99
Sid, please. Like he needs ANY damn encouragement Number23 Jan 2012 #106
Hyperbole is the new facts SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #134
Yeah, the ACLU is all about hyperbole. Zalatix Jan 2012 #143
The article co authored by Green Party Bob Fitrakis is hyperbole SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #146
Yea, this is an attempt to get more readers and hits. However... Zalatix Jan 2012 #151
The Problem is really with the AUMF of 2001 SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #155
Yeah, that's the best way to fight back, make sure it doesn't get slipped into the NDAA again. Zalatix Jan 2012 #156
Yes and get them to Vote for S.2003 - Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #158
The hyperbolic headline doesn't help cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #3
I agree nt Mojorabbit Jan 2012 #28
... elleng Jan 2012 #4
Cut and Paste!, Cut and Paste! FSogol Jan 2012 #5
El toro poo poo again! mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #6
Please to wait until they come for you gratuitous Jan 2012 #7
not only that, but if you're against NDAA you're a GOP plant undermining liberalism MisterP Jan 2012 #48
+1000 FredStembottom Jan 2012 #183
Interesting ProSense Jan 2012 #8
It is a great relief that Obama did use a signing statement in regards to the NDAA think Jan 2012 #35
When have you ever posted anything critical of Obama? Don't lecture the OP about what you... Logical Jan 2012 #129
Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #174
Why the useless one word subject lines? Your calling card I guess. Logical Jan 2012 #176
To ProSense Jan 2012 #178
I always look for your posts first in any OP that says anything except "Obama is Perfect"..... Logical Jan 2012 #179
Here ProSense Jan 2012 #180
Stalking means I give a shit. I don't. I really just do it for entertainment. Logical Jan 2012 #181
It's ProSense Jan 2012 #182
You just don't like being called out when you are wrong. It is within the rules! Logical Jan 2012 #202
Eff it, lets all stay home on election day. That'll show Obama and that veto-proof congress! FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #9
The Daily Hate also doesn't help cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #10
When they hear the letters ACLU kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #199
knr emilyg Jan 2012 #11
+1 Octafish Jan 2012 #64
It should matter to ALL. emilyg Jan 2012 #88
You got that right Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #120
Believe me, we are all relying on pure trust that these new powers... FredStembottom Jan 2012 #184
emilyg! BlueIris Jan 2012 #200
Doing ok. How about you.? emilyg Jan 2012 #204
Can't complain, all things considered. nt BlueIris Jan 2012 #209
Run for your lives!!!!!!!!! Barack is really Damian in The Omen. DevonRex Jan 2012 #12
Do you have an opinion on the ACLU and Human Rights Watch statements? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #17
I'm stuck on "death knell." That's what hyperbole does. nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #20
Try to get unstuck and read the other two articles if you respect the ACLU and Human Rights Watch Better Believe It Jan 2012 #24
Really, no thank you. Hyperbole is a complete turnoff. nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #25
Then I'll hope you'll curtail posting in this thread due to your self-imposed ignorance DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #100
Aren't you just the sweetest thing!! DevonRex Jan 2012 #111
Although northerners may not understand TBF Jan 2012 #166
Good. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #195
Best post yet! We can only hope that would happen with many posters. Puglover Jan 2012 #163
Present company included. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #171
S/he couldn't care what the ACLU and Human Rights Watch say. They are Obama haters. Zalatix Jan 2012 #152
Oh, shit!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #23
Well no one said that, but the Director of Human Rights Watch did say this: sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #114
You Do Realize This Is Opinion Not Fact? ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #161
Of course we are allowed to disagree, but I saw no one even address what he said in sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #185
Perhaps that's reflective of people's opinion of the original poster mythology Jan 2012 #207
I keep waiting to see an original post sharp_stick Jan 2012 #13
And what is your opinion on the ACLU and Human Rights Watch statements? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #19
I provided opinions on them sharp_stick Jan 2012 #26
Really? Will you provide links to your opinions? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #58
can you provide links besides Common Dreams and IhateObama.com? Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #121
You're now being put on ignore for your constant personal attacks. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #135
excellent Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #136
ROFL Coming from you, that means a lot! No, really! JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #165
That just about sums up. Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #169
So how is the ACLU still operating? treestar Jan 2012 #14
What is your opinion on the ACLU and Human Rights Watch statements? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #15
You're Listening? Really? ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #34
Has "treestar" asked for your assistance in answering my question or do you normally answer .... Better Believe It Jan 2012 #54
Much as you are capable of answering Treestar's question... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #65
You Do Not Run This Site ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #75
Would you mind telling that to post #100? DevonRex Jan 2012 #112
That's answering a question with a question, isn't it? treestar Jan 2012 #57
So the ACLU and Human Rights "statements may be exaggerated" or they may not be .... Better Believe It Jan 2012 #59
Since the Bill of Rights is gone treestar Jan 2012 #125
The ACLU was still functioning when Bush was shredding the Constitution. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #132
The Death Knell for the Bill of Rights, per the OP, was signed just treestar Jan 2012 #133
What is being said in all of the articles is that with this bill sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #137
You CAN'T be serious, right? If Bush signed this law we'd be in an absolute uproar. Zalatix Jan 2012 #153
GOP Candidates Flub Facts In Republican Debate mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #16
Your post is way off topic. That could be seen as a violation of DU posting rules. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #22
Actually, is is *exactly* on topic. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #29
Like the Klan, I oppose what he bellows to death but believe he had the right to express it to the TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #116
Cry me a river! mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #36
Oh I'll do better than that. You're now on ignore! Better Believe It Jan 2012 #55
Loving it. mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #60
If you believe a reply to you breaks DU rules, MineralMan Jan 2012 #52
The Republicans agree with this bill. So is your post meant to point out the fact sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #66
There use to be a petition at WhiteHouse. gov but it's gone due to insufficient signatures: think Jan 2012 #18
Control-V for Victory! Codeine Jan 2012 #27
LOL. They need a Control-V Flag! n/t FSogol Jan 2012 #30
That's awesome!... SidDithers Jan 2012 #39
HERE'S AN IDEA!: FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #31
! AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #53
Here's a thought. Democrats control the Senate. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #67
Here's a thought: People have FREE-WILL whether you agree with them or not. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #76
Well, basically what you are saying is that having a Democratic majority sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #81
Uhh, apparently you are forgetting the HUGE amount of accomplishments this President has achieved. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #115
I'll be working for Progressive Democrats, very hard in order to remove from Congress sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #117
I've seen you do it PLENTY of times, besides, I'm not able to go through your posts. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #119
No, you have not. Now either post an example of my 'shitting on Obama' or this post sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #124
Riiiight. Amazing what people tell themselves. Actually, who started this here conversation? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #128
Thanks I knew you wouldn't find any such posts. Just wanted to clear that up. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #130
Uh, I said I wasn't able to go through your posts. Do you think I'd waste my time caring about THIS? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #131
Well, I'm not sure what that link was supposed demonstrate. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #141
"Creepy" is YOU following ME around on a message board. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #142
Wow, now you're getting really silly. Time for a break maybe? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #144
I'm sorry for 2 reasons.... FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #147
Like I said, you need to take a break. You are begging for an alert now. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #149
You have the opportunity to stop telling people what to do and how to think. And remember: FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #150
You certainly have more patience trying to have a rational discussion Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #159
You jumped into this thread with a snide comment about the ACLU sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #160
Really, just stop. Also, I said I meant Obama supporters, as I've pointed to a few links proving me FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #175
No, you said I 'shit all over Obama' so I'm glad you are retracting that false statement. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #186
I did do it earlier, WAAY earlier. Read up-thread. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #187
Principle. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #189
Physician, heal thyself. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #194
LOL...I see you're the latest contestant Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #173
Well, the issue has been resolved. There are no such posts, which has been sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #193
Whoooosh. Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #201
And another example of a personal attack in response to a comment that was not. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #203
Sabrina was among the earlier Obama for President DUers Mimosa Jan 2012 #208
Most BS ridden statement ever. Tell that to Clinton, Carter, and the many other Dem Presidents. n/t vaberella Jan 2012 #91
Most content free comment ever. Well, almost. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #95
Actually it does when counting the quality of the Dems. vaberella Jan 2012 #188
This would have been a great post to have a real discussion of these issues had sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #190
I didn't think it was continuing since you claim adamantly that Dem majorities can do alot. vaberella Jan 2012 #196
Democrats DON'T control the Senate, they have a small majority Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #123
Was that post meant for me? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #126
It was a general statement of phiolosophy not directed at you Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #139
No umbrage, just checking! sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #145
It takes 60 'yes' votes to invoke cloture on a bill - we do NOT have 60 dems in the Senate n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #191
The level of disdain for Civil Liberties/Rights here is stunning Mr.Liberty Jan 2012 #32
Agreed. Amazingly so. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #45
Hahahaha!!! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #61
Yes, I am stunned at the disregard on a Democratic forum sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #70
No, you're confusing your "disdains" here... Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #170
What I see in the OP are links to very credible Liberal Organizations that at one time sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #198
At least Obama likes puppies . . . RZM Jan 2012 #37
that bad Obama!!--another BBI thread to the garbage WI_DEM Jan 2012 #38
Still waiting for that new record....you really suck at meeting dates snooper2 Jan 2012 #40
Bob Fitrakis, Green Party candidate? What a surprise muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #41
Shocked. Shocked, I am.... SidDithers Jan 2012 #43
I wonder if it would shock you, Sid to know that Greens were part of the coallition with Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #162
"President Barack Obama has signed a death knell for the Bill of Rights" is not "reaching out" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #168
Do you know anything about Bob Fitrakis? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #89
He's a journalist and PolSci lecturer who stood for the Green Party for Governor of Ohio in 2006 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #109
Reallly? How does legislation override the constitution? onenote Jan 2012 #42
Yawn. BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #46
The oath of office is merely symbolic ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #47
Another hit piece on the President Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #49
I don't think the ACLU is against Obama Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #51
Wasn't referring to the ACLU Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #62
Emergency! Everybody to get from street! MineralMan Jan 2012 #50
To assist you in your endless search for anti-Obama MineralMan Jan 2012 #56
Anything to say about the actual topic of the OP? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #72
The ACLU one has been posted multiple times. I've commented in previous threads. MineralMan Jan 2012 #77
Well you are in the thread so I assumed you do comment sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #83
Regardless of that link, do you have any link or links to pro-Constitution web sites? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #110
K & R! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #63
The same crowd was parading around DU with Andrew Sullivan on their shoulders yesterday. bvar22 Jan 2012 #177
Yep, you said it. Beacool Jan 2012 #210
Thank you for a most important post, Better Believe It. Really love the concentrated attacks, too. Octafish Jan 2012 #68
Thank you for your comments. They are most appreciated. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #167
This Country has some very Weak People in it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #69
Apocalyptic hyperbole is the haven for those that don't have the facts to win a reasoned argument. grantcart Jan 2012 #71
But you still haven't addressed the point we are at now, the point Bush brought this sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #74
I don't have time for anything that starts out as grantcart Jan 2012 #80
Well, tell all that to those who have been sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #82
Unfortunately I can't. Free discussion is no longer possible because the Bill of Rights is dead. grantcart Jan 2012 #85
In a way you are more correct than you realize. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #87
"ABA would have had something to say about it"? Did the ABA speak up much about Bush torture? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #86
Oh, that's OK. Somebody, sometime, if conditions to do are favorable, will fix it in the future. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #78
Obama also plays Puppy Golf!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #79
Did someone accuse the President of cruelty to puppies? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #90
Obama was accused of cruelty to flies by PETA. n/t vaberella Jan 2012 #92
Flies are not puppies. The question was about cruelty to puppies. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #96
It reflects how Obama is killing not only the Bill of Rights .. but also the rights of cute puppies. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #93
Well, I would agree on the puppies, that certainly is hyperbolic and sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #97
So do you agree that Obama is killing the Bill of rights? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #101
Are you saying this legislation protects the Bill of Rights? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #103
Yes .... did read ... and did not conclude "death" of JoePhilly Jan 2012 #105
Chipping away at something eventually leads to its death. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #107
I predict that this question will go unanswered. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #138
k & r girl gone mad Jan 2012 #94
poor fella. 4 mores years of increasingly desperately spamming smear pieces. dionysus Jan 2012 #98
The ACLU and Human Rights Watch is now Spam? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #104
no, these desperate threads are spam. dionysus Jan 2012 #113
Well, I can't think of anything more important to this country than the preservation of rights. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #118
Well he and his fans (who are posting more in this thread than the OP is) gotta have something to do Number23 Jan 2012 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jan 2012 #102
He signed a knell? n/t gulliver Jan 2012 #122
Obama-Biden 2012!!! CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #127
I love this president. cliffordu Jan 2012 #140
I'll wait with you to see if your question ever gets answered ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #192
I'm thinking I'm on the ignore list with this poster - cliffordu Jan 2012 #206
Kudos to the OP for an important post, and also to Sabrina woo me with science Jan 2012 #148
Well said just1voice Jan 2012 #154
Thank you. emilyg Jan 2012 #205
Isn't this sort of thing that gets decided by the Supreme Court? Kablooie Jan 2012 #157
5-4 Octafish Jan 2012 #164
K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #172
How the fuck do you "sign" a knell? nt NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #197
First they came for the 2nd Amendment and you did not speak.... aikoaiko May 2012 #211
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