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malaise

(269,157 posts) Tue Apr 23, 2024, 08:14 AM Apr 23

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Gaza has been burnt to the ground [View all]

and there are over 33,000 dead Palestinians and others.
That was deliberate action by Israel not words.
Do not expect silence, support and no protests from the children and grandchildren of folks who fought against the Nazis in support of Jews in WW2 and since.
Ethnic cleansing, genocide and war crimes will continue to be condemned.
I will not support the atrocities in Gaza.
That is all - for now.

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Gaza has been burnt to the ground [View all] malaise Apr 23 OP

It is sickening what is happening over there. I with you on this. OLDMDDEM Apr 23 #1

Protest isn't only justified, it is urgently needed. David__77 Apr 23 #2

And use caution when blaming Biden. It's Netanyahu. forgotmylogin Apr 23 #142

I would argue that there's no better time to attempt to influence an incumbent. jimmiles Apr 24 #241

I totally understand. forgotmylogin Apr 24 #244

Burnt to the ground? jimfields33 Apr 23 #3

sorry to hear that the level of devastation doesn't meet your criteria, I guess tell Netanyahu to speed it up Celerity Apr 23 #12

Thank you. niyad Apr 23 #20

Thank you malaise Apr 23 #25

Powerful photos PatSeg Apr 23 #26

Shame claudette Apr 23 #35

the dis-proportionality of response long ago crossed into war crimes territory IMHO, but hey, some assholes Celerity Apr 23 #66

Yeah, you got that right. When Jared talked about developing beachfront property in Gaza, it made PatrickforB Apr 23 #114

Protests at Columbia OrangeJoe Apr 23 #127

Campus police? N/T lapucelle Apr 23 #195

You don't say? Sugarcoated Apr 23 #207

Yes I heard bdamomma Apr 23 #212

Sports scholarship Homoudont Apr 24 #238

Has that changed? SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 24 #239

According to her mom, my sister OrangeJoe Apr 24 #243

My mistake OrangeJoe Apr 25 #252

Great post sis malaise Apr 23 #130

thank you Celerity Apr 23 #200

It seems comparable to Berlin, at the end of WW2... lastlib Apr 23 #44

That's what it reminds me of, too obamanut2012 Apr 23 #70

Me too MFM008 Apr 23 #225

Or Dresden... csziggy Apr 23 #136

You can bdamomma Apr 23 #214

Tokyo suffered far worse, as did Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Martin68 Apr 23 #198

From the river to the sea Pompoy Apr 24 #232

From Likud (and other smaller radical RW parties) all the way back to the early 20th century Revisionist Zionists Celerity Apr 24 #248

Thank you for posting these... mountain grammy Apr 23 #56

Totally, straight from Naomi Klein. The oligarchs will move in with bulldozers as soon as all the people are dead and PatrickforB Apr 23 #116

Meryl warned us malaise Apr 23 #185

I think the Shock Doctrine approach is about snot Apr 23 #141

no doubt at all mountain grammy Apr 23 #151

Netanyahu can have Slobodan's cell at The Hague., buildings CAN be rebuilt, but NOT the THIRTY-THREE THOUSAND lives. TeamProg Apr 23 #62

Thank you BuddhaGirl Apr 23 #75

Thank you. Goddessartist Apr 23 #84

I've been told that Israel should be praised for its restraint Orrex Apr 23 #93

Great question malaise Apr 23 #146

Your point is indeed valid. Yieks! jimfields33 Apr 23 #105

Perhaps you should not be so casual about some of your comments? PufPuf23 Apr 23 #134

You provided evidence. I thanked you. jimfields33 Apr 23 #135

Celerity provided the visuals of Gaza. PufPuf23 Apr 23 #140

Thank you for your reply. Celerity Apr 23 #169

Thank you AmBlue Apr 23 #110

Wars are super-destructive. Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #111

These pictures are worth a thousand words. Innocent people keep being killed and there needs to be PEACE now. PatrickforB Apr 23 #113

wow... myohmy2 Apr 23 #160

Thanks, Cel, for always having receipts Bettie Apr 23 #184

She sure is malaise Apr 23 #188

thanks sis Celerity Apr 23 #196

Perfect selection malaise Apr 23 #199

awwww, thanks Celerity Apr 23 #189

It will take generations Mr.Bill Apr 23 #192

Thank you whopis01 Apr 23 #203

Thank you from me, as well. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 23 #210

Heartbreaking. calimary Apr 24 #227

I wish you'd post this as an OP iemanja Apr 24 #247

The end game for Israel & the Palestinians in not pretty. No one, Arab or West, is looking to send $$$ to rebuild Gaza dutch777 Apr 23 #4

"Blinken has commitment from 5 Arab leaders to help rebuild post-war Gaza speak easy Apr 23 #5

I suspect the west is very much looking... Think. Again. Apr 23 #8

Ding ding malaise Apr 23 #147

Who in their right mind would develop "beachfront property" in GAZA? oldsoftie Apr 23 #190

um, yeah.... Think. Again. Apr 23 #194

Jared's a proven idiot. Go ahead. No one in their right mind would vacation there oldsoftie Apr 24 #236

Not rebuild? Oh yes they will. They can't wait to build condos for more Israelis. flying_wahini Apr 23 #17

just ask jared- nt et tu Apr 23 #37

Oh capitalism loves a disaster Voltaire2 Apr 23 #47

War sucks. Don't start them, Hamas. Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #6

Yup... agingdem Apr 23 #23

Netanyahu kept Hamas in power because of their shared goals. Autumn Apr 23 #39

Netanyahu MUST go. But this still falls on Hamas. oldsoftie Apr 23 #161

Amen means I agree. Here's a huge AMEN. n/t aggiesal Apr 23 #40

You just stated you believe in collective punishment obamanut2012 Apr 23 #71

I believe retaliation in an unprovoked war agingdem Apr 23 #73

Unprovoked is a hoot. Butterflylady Apr 23 #106

that stance would perhaps end with you up on trial for war crimes if you were the supreme commander of a nation Celerity Apr 23 #204

so Ukraine is in a war they did not provoke... agingdem Apr 23 #208

If Ukraine is committing war crimes then there should be accountability. Same for Russia, Hamas, and Israel, and any Celerity Apr 23 #213

Finally reality-who started this war with permission for Hammas to start this war-Palestinians Stargazer99 Apr 23 #78

Yes, war sucks Butterflylady Apr 23 #104

Israel has been under attack for 75 years.. agingdem Apr 23 #107

As have the Palestinians. If you look at total death tolls for the two sides since 1948, you will find it staggeringly Celerity Apr 23 #216

Don't start a war if you're not willing to pay the price... agingdem Apr 23 #217

as if the Palestinians started the Nakbah, for instance Celerity Apr 24 #230

THIS malaise Apr 24 #240

Fighting address security concerns Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #122

I will give a damn once the hostages are relased The Mouth Apr 23 #109

Fuck Hamas indeed, but what about Palestinian civilians in the meantime? Orrex Apr 23 #137

Palestinians are not all innocent victims... agingdem Apr 23 #144

Nope, that's not true... Think. Again. Apr 23 #152

and yet 70% of the Palestinians supported the agingdem Apr 23 #156

I'd be interested to see how exactly that poll was conducted Orrex Apr 23 #164

The Palestinian Center for Policy Survey and Research conducted it oldsoftie Apr 23 #165

Thank you for the link Orrex Apr 23 #168

Yes, I've heard that exact propaganda here many, many times Orrex Apr 23 #166

How does a hostage take NOT have the ability to release them? oldsoftie Apr 23 #163

Seriously? Orrex Apr 23 #167

in each of those examples they still have the ability to release their hostages oldsoftie Apr 23 #191

Do you honestly believe that Netanyahu would settle for a partial release? Orrex Apr 23 #201

I suspect the hostages are dead... agingdem Apr 23 #215

Because they're a murderous, unrepentant terrorist regime Orrex Apr 23 #220

Netanyahu must go. But he's agreed to partial releases before too. oldsoftie Apr 24 #237

Thank you DaBronx Apr 23 #159

Except claudette Apr 23 #42

IDF fights Hamas on its territory Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #118

ok claudette Apr 23 #123

Wanton destruction of civilian culture and infrastructure far past meaningful defense is not war. nt PufPuf23 Apr 23 #138

See my orignal post Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #149

Look where the tunnel systems are located. Thats where you have to destroy everything. oldsoftie Apr 23 #162

war crimes ought to be punished. Voltaire2 Apr 23 #48

Starting with rape and kidnapping? Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #119

Starting with them? Absolutely. Orrex Apr 23 #139

Yes, indeed Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #150

... and mass starving and using food as a weapon. We expect terrorists to act like terrorists uponit7771 Apr 23 #178

Yep. They fucked around and found out. beaglelover Apr 23 #87

This did NOT start on October 7, 2023. PhylliPretzel Apr 23 #95

Nakba: Arab nations attack nascent Israel in order to commit ethnic cleansing Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #120

THIS malaise Apr 23 #148

So does occupation and oppression uponit7771 Apr 23 #97

When were 1000+ killed every month before 10/7? Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #121

This was always going to be a bloodbath. Ray Bruns Apr 23 #101

I am heartbroken. BlueMTexpat Apr 23 #7

Jew hate isn't protest Sympthsical Apr 23 #9

I will say that some people view Hamas as freedom fighters, as crazy as that may sound. nt LexVegas Apr 23 #10

One thing that always sticks out to me Sympthsical Apr 23 #14

Yes. betsuni Apr 23 #88

Not just fine with it, they wear their keffiyeh they bought on Amazon and pretend to be one of them. SunSeeker Apr 23 #102

I've read that many Gazans view Hamas as the only thing that stands between them and Israeli attacks. Earth-shine Apr 23 #21

Who is it claudette Apr 23 #34

Who started this war? I don't remember the Jews starting the slaughtering in fact just the opposite Stargazer99 Apr 23 #81

Hamas had to know how Netanyahu would respond. Martin Eden Apr 23 #22

Hamas leaders readily admit all of this lapfog_1 Apr 23 #218

If enough Palestinian people realize this, that could be the surest demise of Hamas. Martin Eden Apr 23 #223

When i saw that post i was dumbfounded. revmclaren Apr 23 #205

Is supporting the Palestinian people "Jew hate?" Chainfire Apr 23 #29

You know very well of what I speak Sympthsical Apr 23 #30

They are pissed. Do you not understand why? Chainfire Apr 23 #143

I assure you DaBronx Apr 23 #187

So no one is permitted to support Palestinians AloeVera Apr 23 #193

The narrative has shifted Orrex Apr 23 #202

It has and it does, indeed AloeVera Apr 23 #211

I don't hate Jews claudette Apr 23 #38

Are you pretending that antisemitism hasn't become a problem at these protests? Sympthsical Apr 23 #57

I'm not pretending claudette Apr 23 #59

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #65

THIS malaise Apr 23 #133

Are you pretending that anti-Palestinian views haven't moniss Apr 23 #91

You mean claudette Apr 23 #61

I am sure the Jews remember the slaughter in World War II-where were you? Stargazer99 Apr 23 #80

I'll tell you where my parents were...Auschwitz! agingdem Apr 23 #89

Yes...my "favorite"... agingdem Apr 23 #86

Yes these protesters Spread their Sickening Anti-Semitic Ugly Ass Hate All Over the Place. Cha Apr 24 #226

Good thing we just authorized more military aid hueymahl Apr 23 #11

Netanyahu knew. The IDF knew LuvLoogie Apr 23 #13

Perhaps in the same way we knew, "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" elias7 Apr 23 #41

Except that Israel was in possession of a Hamas document that detailed what they were planning. LuvLoogie Apr 24 #242

Thank you, Malaise. The end doesn't justify the means. TheRickles Apr 23 #15

The historicity of Exodus is highly questionable VMA131Marine Apr 23 #79

Yes, I know and agree. I was referring more to the mythic and emotional resonance that has taken hold, TheRickles Apr 23 #85

Just LOOK what Hamas has done to the Palestinian people! Shame on them! Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #16

Except claudette Apr 23 #33

Hamas is putting them in harm's way. Hamas is a legitimate target * Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #64

Finally the voice of reason instead of emotional response only Stargazer99 Apr 23 #82

Hamas REGULARLY bombs innocents. Hieronymus Phact Apr 23 #90

There are many who believe the Hamas propaganda (and who also repeat it in various political forums.) Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #126

Hamas isn't starving people The Chef said Bibi is and Chef has more credibility uponit7771 Apr 23 #98

Yes, they are. Through their cowardly efforts of blending-in with civilians * Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #125

The Chef is more credible than the IDF and Bibi uponit7771 Apr 23 #177

Sure. Go with that. Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #180

Facts and reality have benefits uponit7771 Apr 23 #181

Keep searching... Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #182

Hamas is Starving Palestinas.. I just posted this.. Fatah Confirms it.. Cha Apr 24 #229

YES HAMAS IS Starving Palestinians.. Hamas is NOT Clean.. They're Fucking Terrorists. Cha Apr 24 #228

Peace is not a goal. twodogsbarking Apr 23 #18

Certainly it isn;t for Hamas. Never was. NT Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #24

And this is why Hamas must be destroyed. They have no interest in peace. Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #28

The IDF is actively working to destroy all of Gaza, not Hamas iemanja Apr 24 #246

not for bibi- et tu Apr 23 #43

Not even at DU. twodogsbarking Apr 23 #51

Peace would involve a two state solution. Something that Netanyahu and Hamas will never allow. Autumn Apr 23 #53

Is this now allowed to be said here? LiberalArkie Apr 23 #19

Why wouldn't it be? claudette Apr 23 #32

When was it ever disallowed? TwilightZone Apr 23 #60

Despite the allegations on this thread, I've whathehell Apr 23 #108

I sure haven't said any thing like that LiberalArkie Apr 23 #124

Go back through my replies/posts. revmclaren Apr 23 #206

How about you providing it whathehell Apr 23 #219

You could try ...hamas freedom fighters democraticunderground.com revmclaren Apr 23 #221

Lol...You got nothing. whathehell Apr 23 #222

Well, another words you didn't look. revmclaren Apr 23 #224

Well, "another" words, lol, I didn't need to.. whathehell Apr 24 #231

If justice prevails, history will not be kind. nt TeamProg Apr 23 #27

I'm with you claudette Apr 23 #31

The protesters I see are for Hamas. former9thward Apr 23 #46

"Protesters are not FOR Hamas" I must inform you, your belief is incorrect. sarisataka Apr 23 #52

No claudette Apr 23 #58

In order to see, one must choose to look sarisataka Apr 23 #63

Opinions are not facts. TwilightZone Apr 23 #69

We definitely need to react sarisataka Apr 23 #36

Please do not omit mention of Codifer Apr 23 #45

Absolutely - Putin has been playing chess and I'm sure is behind Hamas funding TBF Apr 23 #67

What happens when Hamas callously decides to sacrifice their own people JCMach1 Apr 23 #49

Gaza picked a fight Mountainguy Apr 23 #50

Gaza didn't pick a fight -- wtf obamanut2012 Apr 23 #68

So gaza exists ina vaccum from Hamas? Mountainguy Apr 23 #129

Nope, not true... Think. Again. Apr 23 #154

This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 23 #99

Its not Mountainguy Apr 23 #132

Same goes for KKK and Americans? Dehumanizing people with broad negative generalizations isn't progressive uponit7771 Apr 23 #175

Guess i missed the part where the KKK was in control of government for a few decades Mountainguy Apr 23 #183

Woodrow Wilson?!?!?!!?! uponit7771 Friday #253

It is day 200 - any sympathy for hostages being held? That's a rhetorical question. TBF Apr 23 #54

Is IDF still shooting them as they surrender? uponit7771 Apr 23 #100

I have absolute sympathy for the hostages. moniss Apr 23 #145

Yes I referenced a 2-state solution for a reason - TBF Apr 23 #158

Their actions are delegitimizing Israel in the eyes of much of the world. hay rick Apr 23 #55

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #72

Be very careful. 3 words got a hide yesterday. onecaliberal Apr 23 #74

Me too enid602 Apr 23 #103

"[Hamas] had to have factored in from the start that Gaza City above them would be leveled by the Israelis. So be it. betsuni Apr 23 #76

Oh. Ok. BannonsLiver Apr 23 #77

I agree with you 100% Goddessartist Apr 23 #83

Stands out. Our youth is the worlds hope. Passages Apr 23 #92

Proud of all,the young people malaise Apr 23 #172

They are being killed at an alarming rate. onecaliberal Apr 23 #179

To quote loosely: Beware of slaying monsters, lest you become one. ananda Apr 23 #94

K&R spanone Apr 23 #96

Deuteronomy provides motivation for genocide. Compromise in a religious war is blasphemy, in Canaan or in Congress. Marcuse Apr 23 #112

So Hamas is 100% responsible Cthulu on call Apr 23 #115

I am 100% against ethnic cleansing, genocide and other war crimes. Initech Apr 23 #117

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #128

Fair enough. BannonsLiver Apr 23 #131

This is utterly unforgivable. Israel has made itself into the world's pariah. Sky Jewels Apr 23 #153

While I don't disagree with your assessment..... AZ8theist Apr 23 #157

Yet, Hamas is still bombing Israel. I don't know where they are getting their rockets from. Six rockets on Apr 23 LeftInTX Apr 23 #155

Agreed Malaise. Evolve Dammit Apr 23 #170

Significant: Passages Apr 23 #171

This is huge malaise Apr 23 #173

Yes. Passages Apr 23 #174

I'm done with threads like this. Aussie105 Apr 23 #176

Horrible Catherine Vincent Apr 23 #186

Immoral and soulless. onecaliberal Apr 24 #233

Yes, radical religious fundamentalist Hamas terrorist are immoral and soulless. betsuni Apr 24 #234

Indeed they are, and wholly deserving of whatever befalls them Orrex Apr 24 #249

Yes, it does. This was the Hamas war plan. betsuni Apr 24 #250

Is Netanyahu aware that he's working toward Hamas' goals, then? Orrex Apr 24 #251

I think rather than "burnt to the ground" adjectives like "demolished," "pulverized," and "annihalated" more accurately Martin68 Apr 23 #197

Israelis bdamomma Apr 23 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 24 #235

Speaker Johnson's departure from Columbia University. Passages Apr 24 #245