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54. There's a significant difference between the "illiberal left" and the MAGA right.

Tue Apr 9, 2024, 06:16 PM

Apr 9

The "Illiberal Left" have not been able to take over the party. nor did they take up arms to prevent the government from doing its statutory duty.

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'Illiberal and dangerous' behavior of far-left is destroying Democratic Party: op-ed [View all] JohnSJ Apr 9 OP

I think "destroying" is too strong a word. shrike3 Apr 9 #1

How about "neutering" ? Hekate Apr 9 #60

I don't know what impact this is going to have, honestly. shrike3 Apr 9 #74

I'm seeing it daily on my Facebook feed, intheflow Apr 10 #94

That they won't support Biden because of Palestine? shrike3 Apr 10 #97

The ignorance runs deep SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #168

The fact is that we lost Gore, Hillary and Kerry. Demsrule86 Apr 10 #108

Can't argue. And they don't seem to learn, do they? shrike3 Apr 10 #112

That is the entire purpose of these Trump/Putin supporters. tritsofme Apr 9 #2

You do know that there are people on the actual left Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #4

If they don't support President Biden, they are absolutely Trump supporters. tritsofme Apr 9 #6

Post removed Post removed Apr 9 #10

This is a movement that calls him "Genocide Joe" and has actively campaigned against his reelection. tritsofme Apr 9 #13

Not what the article is about. I actually turned off my ad blocker to make sure. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #15

I wouldn't call them that, even though their actions are to Trump's benefit. Amishman Apr 9 #24

Exactly.. and Screaming Shit like .. "Enjoy trump"!!! Cha Apr 9 #25

No Pres Biden Supporters are NOT a "cult" as you accuse. Cha Apr 9 #26

So we can both support Biden and disagree with US policy in Israel? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #30

I wouldn't pay much attention to someone who apparently cannot even comprehend that that is a thing. soldierant Apr 9 #72

I think you have a nuanced, good point re a sudden "turn about"... electric_blue68 Apr 10 #146

Thanks --- soldierant Apr 10 #148

Yw. I don't know about "cheating all the time", but it sure can be a dicey game often enough depending on who's involved electric_blue68 Apr 11 #149

Expressing their anger at a Biden policy that is MadameButterfly Apr 9 #27

"a Biden policy". Really? Nixie Apr 10 #85

Biden admin again bypasses Congress to sell military equipment to Israel Celerity Apr 10 #111

Correct me if I am wrong but this article is from December? Demsrule86 Apr 10 #113

Yes, December 29th, but it shows two Biden policy actions in regards to Israel that many good Democrats disagree with. Celerity Apr 10 #116

This doesn't say it's a Biden policy. Nixie Apr 10 #114

That beggars belief. Of course it was Biden policy, he himself went around Congress and sent the military aid. Celerity Apr 10 #120

This is how the disinformation campaigns work. Nixie Apr 10 #127

yes it is, but not the way you are trying to project Celerity Apr 10 #132

Aren't you the one trying to "project"?? Insinuating Biden is shady and has a separate shady policy Nixie Apr 10 #138

No. Celerity Apr 10 #139

BTW, here is the Wiki page on the decades old history of U.S. policy towards Israel. Decades now. Nixie Apr 10 #140

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #141

subject sliding and a red herring for added spiciness Celerity Apr 10 #142

Wrong again. Subject sliding is trying to blame Biden Nixie Apr 10 #143

Wrong again. nt Celerity Apr 10 #144

Look at the subject matter of this thread. That would make me right on topic. Nixie Apr 11 #164

No. Celerity Apr 11 #165

Typical, but it doesn't change the facts. Nixie Apr 11 #166

It's seems to state that (and I will have to look into this more) that some Biden supporters at ?events are being... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #151

US policy on anything is subject to change as circumstances MadameButterfly Apr 11 #172

This is also how the disinformation campaigns work. Insinuating Biden can just change things Nixie Apr 12 #182

Every time you repeat 'disinformation" you remind me of Trump MadameButterfly Apr 11 #173

You remind me of Trump, too. He's a fact-free performer who engages in disinformation, so of Nixie Apr 12 #181

Oh good grief. n/t MadameButterfly Apr 15 #183

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. nt Nixie Apr 15 #184

That sounds like the kind of absolutism that we criticize the Right Wing of... Caliman73 Apr 9 #28

Methinks Moscow Marge The Wizard Apr 10 #84

It IS the exact same as the rightwing absolutism. Think. Again. Apr 10 #131

This all sounds like Russian interference to me. LakeArenal Apr 9 #39

If they didn't start it, they will certainly use it to sew chaos SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #169

In a sense; by Omission. (hope that the right word!) electric_blue68 Apr 10 #147

They are not the extremists, they disagree on a couple of issues but will still vote for him Bev54 Apr 9 #47

Yes, as a matter of fact, Progressive is a POSITIVE stand here... Think. Again. Apr 10 #133

Far Left is also not a dirty word unless you claim an alliance with Putin MadameButterfly Apr 11 #174

Really? Do you forget the little dinner where Stein and Flynn joined Putin Bev54 Apr 11 #177

She has a different account of what she was doing there (you can google it). I'm not saying I agree MadameButterfly Apr 11 #178

You can think what you want but I am not falling for it. Bev54 Apr 11 #180

I'm sure this person would blame the protesters for Humphrey losing in 1968, too. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #3

I don't know, seems weird to me that anyone on a Democratic website would in any way support tritsofme Apr 9 #5

But the article is saying Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #9

You have a point, but imho shouting "Genocide Joe"; that's beyond the pale!... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #150

Especially since it's a GD LIE.. We're Fighitng to Save our Democracy AND Cha Apr 9 #31

So Left protestors should be supported 100% like "a cult," "no room for saying that betsuni Apr 9 #49

Maybe because this is Democratic Underground, not SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #89

Looking back now on how stupid our electorate can be SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #170

Nonsense. The "Far Left" hasn't been strong since the late 60s - early 70s. Ping Tung Apr 9 #7

Back then tbey were attacking a democrat president ripcord Apr 9 #20

That would be because we started bombing the crap out of Vietnam. NT. Voltaire2 Apr 9 #33

with napalm n/t MadameButterfly Apr 11 #175

LBJ was one hell of a tough old bird. I doubt his feelings were hurt when we yelled that. Autumn Apr 9 #43

Actually, they were. Especially when his own daughter asked him if he was "really sure" when her husband... Hekate Apr 9 #66

He was lied to? A lot of people were lied to and 58,220 of them died. nt Autumn Apr 9 #73

He did in the end try to stop the war MadameButterfly Apr 11 #176

After the Tet Offensive public support for the war really started to end. Autumn Apr 11 #179

Yes, we were. With good reason. Ping Tung Apr 9 #61

I consider a continuum in our party more ?nuanced on the Center to Left... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #152

I was 24, a vet, college student, and postal worker. Ping Tung Apr 11 #167

I would be curious to know where their funding comes from. alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #8

I never got a check when I was protesting the Vietnam war. Come to think of it I didn't get a check Autumn Apr 9 #35

I am not questioning sincere protests, but there seems to be an element of astro-turfiness to alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #40

What's the difference between wars? What makes a war sincere? Autumn Apr 9 #42

I apologize, I was referring to the protests being sincere, not the war(s). alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #44

Uh...what does "astro-turfiness" mean? electric_blue68 Apr 11 #153

From Merriam-Webster alwaysinasnit Apr 11 #158

TY, I did not know this! And you may be right about some of these protests... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #159

The difference is Mossfern Apr 9 #59

Nobody ever said he was president of Israel. Not even the protesters think he is president of Israel. Autumn Apr 9 #62

But they act like Biden is president of Israel SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #90

I have seen not one person say Joe could stop the Gaza war with one phone call and Israel gets a LOT of Autumn Apr 10 #92

Well, you should visit my Facebook feed. intheflow Apr 10 #96

I've heard that facebook feeds are merely echo chambers... Think. Again. Apr 10 #134

Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't happen SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #98

Mehndi Hassan was not talking about Biden . He was talking about what happened in 1982 Autumn Apr 10 #100

The title of Hassan's article is literally SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #107

DING DING DING DING DING!!! AnrothElf Apr 9 #63

Ok then as we have no influence why not just stop all military aid? Voltaire2 Apr 10 #86

Because the US has interest in the area. Mossfern Apr 10 #87

That was then, this is now, Autumn Hekate Apr 9 #67

The more things change the more they stay the same. War is war. Autumn Apr 9 #68

It's pure astroturf courtesy of billionaire maoist tech-bro Roy Neville Singham lapucelle Apr 10 #75

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #80

This! Blue Idaho Apr 15 #186

Jodie Evans's Code Pink is behind the protests at Speaker Emerita Pelosi's home. lapucelle Apr 10 #76

Amy Goodman of Theocracy Now! attended the Singham-Evans nuptials. lapucelle Apr 10 #77

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #81

There are people who quote Amy Goodman madaboutharry Apr 10 #83

The Houthi-Hamas-Hezbollah "Axis of Resistance" narrative was posted here, lapucelle Apr 10 #91

Rwanda wasn't Houthis - it was Hutus AZSkiffyGeek Apr 10 #105

Right you are. It was the Houthis who were successful in the ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Yemen. lapucelle Apr 10 #124

That was incredibly Horrific! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #155

What the hell, Amy G?! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #154

Reminds me of the 2016 GE "conscience" voters mcar Apr 9 #11

they are trying to stop a slaughter of innocent civilians ProfessorPlum Apr 9 #12

That seems lost on people. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #19

Then they should Be Addessing HAMAS NOT Lying about Pres Biden. Cha Apr 9 #22

What was Shermanator Apr 9 #48

The proposal isn't Israel's per se. maxsolomon Apr 9 #55

I don't agree with them or their goals ripcord Apr 10 #104

Doesn't look like it's going well. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #117

lol the guy who said Clarence Thomas' corruption was exactly the same as Hunter Biden being Hunter Biden? k WhiskeyGrinder Apr 9 #14

I'm naturally going to view anything Chait writes with a jaundiced eye. LudwigPastorius Apr 9 #16

And, I'm Not "killing the messenger". Fuck the Liars who are screaming Cha Apr 9 #18

perhaps you should look more critically at Jonathan Chait (who is the foundation of this OP's article) Celerity Apr 9 #41

Thanks. twodogsbarking Apr 9 #45

Those GD Liars calling out "Genocide Joe" Should be Careful What they Cha Apr 9 #17

You know this article doesn't mention that very small group of protesters, right? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #23

Why is chanting "Genocide Joe" a "strawman"? It's a hideious thing to call him that! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #156

Useful idiots for Trump and Putin. Elessar Zappa Apr 9 #21

Exactly.. TSF and Fascist Magats love this Shit. Cha Apr 9 #29

Bad Take Chait? Voltaire2 Apr 9 #32

Boo hoo. Jirel Apr 9 #34

And left-of-center pols will not automatically get my vote either. MotownPgh Apr 10 #82

GOP megadonor funds super PAC targeting Summer Lee (Jeff Yass, who has ties to Trump, Netanyahu, and China) Celerity Apr 10 #121

This is all over the news here. I would MotownPgh Apr 10 #122

in my opinion you are putting too much stock into RW FUD and agitprop, pushed by bad actors (as I laid out above) Celerity Apr 10 #123

Chait loved himself some Iraq war TheRealNorth Apr 9 #36

Haven't seen a "Democrats In Disarray!" hair-on-fire story in a while. Aristus Apr 9 #37

I don't know about "destroying the Democratic Party" EarlG Apr 9 #38

Far right covert money is funding that for a wedge issue IbogaProject Apr 9 #46

I'm pro Palestinian and would crawl through glass to vote for Joe. Difference is I don't have Autumn Apr 9 #51

In face to face company JustAnotherGen Apr 9 #50

The "Far Left" has always been a pot stirrer against the Democratic nominee. Fla Dem Apr 9 #52

It is what it is Shermanator Apr 9 #53

There's a significant difference between the "illiberal left" and the MAGA right. bluescribbler Apr 9 #54

For some reason the far left don't seem to get SidneyR Apr 9 #56

Because they don't care. They're going to support the downtrodden brown people marybourg Apr 10 #110

Supporting downtrodden brown people... Think. Again. Apr 10 #135

Clearly not. Life is more complex than that. marybourg Apr 10 #136

Well, at least you're honest about that. Think. Again. Apr 10 #137

Life may sometimes be more complex than that, but you're sure painting with too broad a brush.... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #157

It's because they are myopic twits who live in grievance bubbles. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #118

Tarek Bazzi is a handsome,young, gen Z, US citizen who is stirring up trouble and rallying protestors, but look at him: LeftInTX Apr 10 #125

Not this shit again Warpy Apr 9 #57

Not happening....................... Lovie777 Apr 9 #58

Bought and paid for by: rfk jr and russia!! PortTack Apr 9 #64

Back in 2018 the #WalkAway campaign was very active on a lot of left-leaning sites, urging liberals to leave sop Apr 9 #65

Yes, that was pathetic. Was shocked (though shouldn't have been) to see it promoted betsuni Apr 10 #78

The Anti-War movement is upset mdmc Apr 9 #69

As I recall it we went through a similar dysfunction around Hillary's campaign and how some of the people organizing it Ford_Prefect Apr 9 #70

As far as 1968 goes... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #160

I've been learning recently to follow the purchase patterns of division Torchlight Apr 9 #71

New York magazine, not the New Yorker Basic LA Apr 10 #79

It matters for accuracy, though I don't believe the article actually mentioned which New York magazine JohnSJ Apr 10 #88

Easy to happen. Basic LA Apr 10 #95

It's not a small mistake. Voltaire2 Apr 10 #106

I know. I mispoke.. Basic LA Apr 10 #109

Yeah, when I hear "liberals" saying they won't support Biden because of Palestine, I think: intheflow Apr 10 #93

A lot of these people are pro-Russian SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #99

If they're Not voting for Biden, then absolutely yes. electric_blue68 Apr 11 #161

Oh, Bullshit Scruffy1 Apr 10 #101

Well said, thank you. Think. Again. Apr 10 #128

Ty for giving some insight to the Palestinian-Americans you know. Not completely sure about the Far Left... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #163

Democrats in Disarray! Bristlecone Apr 10 #102

So failing to gin up a horse race with TFG and Joe, they're ginning up dissention in our party. marble falls Apr 10 #103

I see them as unserious people. Naive. Myopic. Twits. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #115

A year ago on "Morning Joe," Chait said we probably shouldn't call Trump or DeSantis Rob H. Apr 10 #119

In other words... Think. Again. Apr 10 #129

Yep. I've noticed that sometimes people can take Rob H. Apr 10 #145

Imagine being afraid to stand firm and speak strongly... Think. Again. Apr 10 #126

I can't disagree. Littlered Apr 10 #130

Do you disagree with Chait here? : Celerity Apr 11 #162

If he thinks the same thing 6 years later SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #171

Fifth column disrupters pfitz59 Apr 15 #185