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Sympthsical

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35. Let's put it this way
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 10:06 AM
Apr 6

It could have been retitled Confirmation Bias: The Novel, and that would have sufficed for purpose. Every stereotype imaginable, every explanation for electoral movements, every idea urban people have about white rural types is confirmed with a lot of jargon and sleight of hand.

And I'll be honest. I'm probably closer to being one of the "elites" that gets stereotyped than most people even here. I'm white, upper middle class, gay, probably way overeducated by this point, and living in the Bay Area.

I am who Republicans are talking about half the time.

But I also grew up poor and spent a lot of time in more rural areas because my parents had family and friends there. I spent my weekends riding horses and feeding goats and fucking around with hay bales. There is something to the criticism that the professional classes that populate a lot of our party's ideological and opinion-shaping sectors is out of touch with lower economic classes. I think people are oversensitive to the criticisms at our electoral detriment. Because I want the party to win, and I want our policies to be awesome for the working classes. I've still got that union blood running through my veins. My father was a devoted Teamster all his life.

Our biggest mistake - and one that redounds to the benefit of corporations - is that our differences got shaped into a culture thing. It's mostly a class thing. As long as we're all fighting, they win. So I think the professional classes - the "elites" people talk about - love the culture thing. They can fight that one cost free. They can talk about it all day long. And if they can get everyone else to talk about it all day long and see it as more important than class, they keep winning.

What are they going to do, talk about poor people all day? Who wants to discuss that?

Yeah. That's not what cable news or any media is about to do. It isn't sufficiently divisive enough to get eyeballs. For politicians, it isn't enough to drive voters to the polls out of antipathy to others. Antipathy motivates.

But this stuff just isn't helpful. It's corrosive. It's wrecking our country. But people are so engaged, so used to it at this point, and so defensive about it (I suspect because they identify as one of the "elites" even though they really are not - which is another trick in use here), they just don't want to have the conversation openly and in good faith.

I mean, just look at threads like this and the discussion around this book. It's all attempts at confirmation bias and defensiveness all the way down.

Anecdotally, from my southern, white, rural perspective, they (the book authors) are 100% correct about the rage. Lunabell Apr 5 #1
I found it interesting, that many people who consider themselves rural aren't. I hadn't heard of the RUCA metric. LauraInLA Apr 5 #2
While this is absolutely true, Lunabell Apr 5 #5
Oh, I get where you're coming from. I grew up in west Texas LauraInLA Apr 5 #9
Midway, fl. Lunabell Apr 6 #25
Here is a great tool that determines if an area is eleigible for specific grants and aid for rural populations Cheezoholic Apr 5 #7
This one also seems good and offers a lot of different sources LauraInLA Apr 5 #10
I grew up on a farm. That's rural. shrike3 Apr 5 #22
As a northerner is a purple state I agree Cosmocat Apr 6 #32
Oh no! *one* book! Must rush to the defense of rural people! unblock Apr 5 #3
This book says it's talking about rural whites, but it ISN'T. The reason I shared both articles LauraInLA Apr 5 #4
Are you counting women and POC in your "rural folks" question? yagotme Apr 5 #6
Understood. As well as lgtbqia+ and immigrants and so on unblock Apr 5 #16
Yes, the bigotry seems to be coming from everywhere. yagotme Apr 5 #17
For a good while between the 60s and Reagan, the media kept things fairly decent unblock Apr 5 #19
I find myself bigoted today.... and I'm someone who has always accepted different people and customs. albacore Apr 5 #21
Rural America is about 20-30% Democratic. We don't want to isolate rural Democrats. LeftInTX Apr 6 #37
Rural people not allowed to be defended? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 6 #29
Of course. I'm not a fan of over-generalizing or assuming individuals in a group unblock Apr 6 #39
I think what the authors missed is Republicans agingdem Apr 6 #33
That books a good read Johonny Apr 5 #8
I find it interesting that a lot of their sources LauraInLA Apr 5 #12
Dont think that matters Johonny Apr 5 #13
But a lot of the people they're categorizing as rural, really aren't. LauraInLA Apr 5 #14
If you listen to them Johonny Apr 5 #15
Yes, correct. Very interesting, but a lot of people won't listen. betsuni Apr 6 #26
I live in a urban area, however I live in one of the largest congressional districts in the country. LeftInTX Apr 6 #38
Ha! Think your district is gerrymandered? yagotme Apr 11 #40
We also have one like that. CD-35. Number given to the interstate it travels along! LeftInTX Apr 11 #41
Take an exit, change your district. Turn the other way, change it again. yagotme Apr 11 #42
Thank you for posting that article!! Cheezoholic Apr 5 #11
My closest White Friends live in Rural Washington State and Idaho. They are very active in MenloParque Apr 5 #18
I agree -- it's really easy to pick on a stereotype. LauraInLA Apr 5 #20
Thank you codfisherman Apr 6 #31
"elite liberal ire" LOL betsuni Apr 5 #23
The book told people what they wanted to hear Sympthsical Apr 5 #24
What did they tell people? betsuni Apr 6 #28
Let's put it this way Sympthsical Apr 6 #35
More divisiveness hits the bestseller list, great. Think. Again. Apr 6 #27
Not blaming liberal elites for the problems of rural America is divisive? How so? betsuni Apr 6 #30
The book itself, blaming a very specific subgroup... Think. Again. Apr 6 #34
Jim the Waco Kid said it best JanMichael Apr 6 #36
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