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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 01:18 PM Mar 19

When Trump Has to Sell off Properties, Under Duress, Surprises Will Come [View all]

Nobody actually knows the real value of Trump's real estate holdings. He has lied about them again and again, and even he has no real idea of their value. The value will become known, though, when he is forced to liquidate asses to pay the half billion dollars he owes to the State of New York. Value is always what people will pay for an asset when it is on the market.

I suspect that Trump is going to be unpleasantly surprised when he finds out the true value of each property that has to be sold off. Why?

Deferred Maintenance.

Commercial and large scale residential properties owned by absentee landlords, speculators, and slumlords like Trump don't do well when they are inspected before people bid on them. Such owners take money from their properties. They don't spend money on them. What that means is that the properties deteriorate over time. When they are forced onto the market, all of that deferred maintenance comes to light. It's part of the equation of determining how much to bid, if you are a buyer. Inspections happen. Those inspections look beneath the surface of the building, so poor maintenance is discovered.

Real estate investors and slumlords like Trump will do anything possible to avoid making necessary repairs. Potential buyers know that, and insist on a thorough look in dark corners and behind painted facades. They have to assess what it's going to cost to rehabilitate a property. They will find out what is needed and add that to their calculations. It's just business, see...

Anyhow, I guarantee that Trump has not maintained his properties well. That's how he rolls. We'll all get to be surprised at the real values of his properties. Or not.

It won't be pretty.



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Here's a really interesting article on some of his holdings. CrispyQ Mar 19 #1
I'm not surprised, actually. MineralMan Mar 19 #7
Yes, all those dirty little secrets that PatSeg Mar 19 #19
The public humiliation will be something to see. malaise Mar 19 #37
But 'they' will love him even more. He's being persecuted, just like Jesus. erronis Mar 19 #42
"Treated worse than Lincoln." rubbersole Mar 19 #61
Jesus owned high-rise real estate in Manhattan? Wednesdays Mar 19 #63
Some will, wanting to embrace their mythical dreams. Eyeball_Kid Mar 19 #65
And then there is leverage Maeve Mar 19 #2
Between taxes and loans most will be sold for loss.. JT45242 Mar 19 #59
I don't know, trump probably has 2 million in equity in trump tower, since the last time he mortgaged it. Omnipresent Mar 20 #102
I think you are correct. Happy Hoosier Mar 19 #3
Can we nominate people for literary awards and/or poetic genius? Attilatheblond Mar 19 #10
That pretty much sums up everything about Trump PatSeg Mar 19 #21
Stench enid602 Mar 19 #78
Ha, ha, ha!!! PatSeg Mar 19 #80
Gilded Emptiness alterfurz Mar 20 #88
"Gilded Emptiness" PatSeg Mar 20 #89
Why you're wrong. Anal Fistula would not hesitate to repair the properties. 3Hotdogs Mar 19 #58
Pootie probably picked up that tab... rubbersole Mar 19 #64
Clever! 70sEraVet Mar 20 #83
It will be very interesting. We know that the properties have been grossly overvalued, Ocelot II Mar 19 #4
One Example I Recall ProfessorGAC Mar 19 #48
Know the story well MissLilyBart Mar 19 #62
I Had The Numbers Wrong ProfessorGAC Mar 19 #71
Hopefully he used the same method on MaraLago. LiberalFighter Mar 19 #5
No doubt he did. Aside from the portions of it he occupies, MineralMan Mar 19 #6
Just a reminder: Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino was ruled a hazard, and demolished. eppur_se_muova Mar 19 #8
True. MineralMan Mar 19 #11
He had not owned it for 5 years when it was torn down. MichMan Mar 19 #12
takes longer than 5 years for a casino building to deteriorate. Started under his watch. ZonkerHarris Mar 19 #27
How in god's name do you bankrupt a casino? Ray Bruns Mar 20 #92
There are quite a few that have declared bankruptcy MichMan Mar 20 #98
Sure would be nice if that high-rise on the beautiful Chicago riverfront were stripped of his name Blue Owl Mar 19 #9
Yes, it sure would. A few years ago, maybe 2018, we did an architechtural... 3catwoman3 Mar 19 #72
Shout out for the architectural river cruise in Chicago. I've done it twice. You will learn a lot. OMGWTF Mar 20 #99
"behind painted facades" is the tfg business model prodigitalson Mar 19 #13
Yup. In all things. MineralMan Mar 19 #14
Do bodies poured into the slabs and foundations reduce the value of a building? NBachers Mar 19 #15
Only if they smell. MineralMan Mar 19 #16
I'm waiting for all the Chinese and Saudi nationals to leave like rats on a sinking ship. flying_wahini Mar 19 #17
It won't be pretty---it'll be GORGEOUS. (nt) Paladin Mar 19 #18
I think a lot of people are going to find out Mr.Bill Mar 19 #20
Well, bring it on! calimary Mar 19 #39
As someone else speculated... Shipwack Mar 19 #46
He said Saudis would pay anything...for MAL I believe. Maintenance aside, another potential problem wiggs Mar 19 #22
K&R n/t ms liberty Mar 19 #23
He may have to sell COL Mustard Mar 19 #24
in top form col.! nt et tu Mar 20 #85
Putin will be happy to pay more than something is worth... ECL213 Mar 19 #25
Only if Trump is re-elected, though. MineralMan Mar 19 #30
Putie may have to borrow from the NORKs who need the Chinese to bail them out... erronis Mar 19 #43
So why isn't he? MorbidButterflyTat Mar 19 #69
To see if some other sucker does it first. ECL213 Mar 20 #108
I totally agree, MM. Michael Popok, who for Quakerfriend Mar 19 #26
The problem is in finding a buyer for any property. MineralMan Mar 19 #28
Ug. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 19 #70
He has to be right up to his fanny in MOMFUDSKI Mar 19 #29
Or even over his head, it seems to me. MineralMan Mar 19 #31
I agree. The value of the building Ivana was given in their divorce was far less than stated... Hekate Mar 19 #32
Fair Market Value, what a multigraincracker Mar 19 #33
I will celebrate the day Trump files for bankruptcy, but RipVanWinkle Mar 19 #34
Trump has used bankruptcy many times in the past. MineralMan Mar 19 #49
i think he has 6 business bankruptcies but no personal bankruptcy orleans Mar 19 #57
Good point and moniss Mar 19 #35
TAXES. Don't forget taxes. And mortgages. DinahMoeHum Mar 19 #36
Nothing about his finances will surprise me NanaCat Mar 19 #38
One of the reasons he's on the whine trail right now. Complaining about having to "fire sale" some property. bluesbassman Mar 19 #40
I find this to be 100% believable. ShazzieB Mar 19 #41
There's a certain perfect symmetry to Trump's financial downfall. sop Mar 19 #44
Eventually, stuff comes back on you at the very worst times. MineralMan Mar 19 #50
His only chance of survival is in our hands to deny. mobeau69 Mar 19 #79
The question I have is, to what extent are his real estate assets leveraged? patphil Mar 19 #45
Yeah, none of us know. Trump may not even know. MineralMan Mar 19 #51
And there's one other thing to consider here. patphil Mar 19 #67
i remember when landlords were forced to live in 1 of their buildings that are deathtraps . does that still go on? AllaN01Bear Mar 19 #47
Yeah, I don't think they do that. MineralMan Mar 19 #52
The Super was a movie MichMan Mar 20 #100
Looking forward to this Beachnutt Mar 19 #53
Yup. Put a boot on it and call the tow truck. MineralMan Mar 19 #54
He doesn't even own some of them. He licenses the use of the name, Trump - which is now worth 'Shit'. Joinfortmill Mar 19 #55
Yes, that's true, too. MineralMan Mar 19 #56
i still want to see his tax returns.!! dang nabbit jim!!! AllaN01Bear Mar 19 #60
me too et tu Mar 20 #86
I assume everything will get a legit appraisal. onecaliberal Mar 19 #66
I don't think he's going to sell them off Warpy Mar 19 #68
Um............ MorbidButterflyTat Mar 19 #73
Lol! MineralMan Mar 19 #75
"...When he is forced to liquidate asses..." generalbetrayus Mar 20 #95
It sounds like Danascot Mar 19 #74
Like: who really owns all that stuff, that TFG is a cover for Russian gangsters? marble falls Mar 19 #76
take that n.j. golf course and check ivana's coffin for ivana nt orleans Mar 19 #77
so when someone puts their foot through the rotted drywall and a pile of roaches and bedbugs falls out... Takket Mar 19 #81
Will Bankruptcy Be the Thing that Finally Brings the Trump Monster Down??? panfluteman Mar 20 #82
Spy Magazine toured the public areas of Trump Tower nuxvomica Mar 20 #84
'everything he touches dies' nt et tu Mar 20 #87
He's put his name on lots of stuff he doesn't really own IronLionZion Mar 20 #90
Like secret documents belonging to the government? Wicked Blue Mar 20 #91
Red tag every one of his boilers in his NY buildings. Hotler Mar 20 #93
no matter what it's technically 'worth' ShepKat Mar 20 #94
We will find out he is not a billionaire at all RainCaster Mar 20 #96
Trump won't be selling any properties to make his bond. republianmushroom Mar 20 #97
I think we'll have to wait to find out. atreides1 Mar 20 #101
Is it a possibility that some of the people he is relying on to bail him out.... ColinC Mar 20 #103
You don't understand how this works brooklynite Mar 20 #104
You are absolutely right! Groundhawg Mar 20 #105
He's abut to get billions from the sale awesomerwb1 Mar 20 #106
That's ghost money. MineralMan Mar 20 #107
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