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no_hypocrisy

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Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:27 AM Jan 2024

Alina Habba [View all]

Now that the dust has settled, here's my take on Habba, Trump, and the Carroll trial.

Habba seemed oblivious to the basic courses in law school of evidence, trial advocacy, and even orientation where you're introduced to civil procedure.

According to Attorney Ethics, you are charged with "zealous representation" of your client. IOW, you do whatever you can to put the position(s) of your client before the factfinder, whether it's a jury or a judge. You do your research, you consult your client, you're organized when you appear in court, and your presentation is coherent and persuasive.

What you don't do is whatever your client tells you to do. Just the opposite: you advise your client of the limitations of his/her/their/its case. And there's always some limitations. Maybe you don't have necessary provable facts. Maybe statutes and caselaw are not promising. I've had to sternly tell clients that they don't have much of a case and we can only fall back on trial where hopefully, adversarial counsel will make mistakes that can be reversed on appeal.

From where I'm sitting, Habba promised Trump they'd win no matter what. She'd tell the judge where to get off. She'd make judicial history and give him justice simultaneously. She'd promise the judge that Trump wouldn't pontificate on the stand, then let him do exactly that while looking helplessly at the judge. TRUMP would win the case, not Habba.

IMO, their "strategy" was to get a mistrial. Or get jury nullification where they'd award E. Jean Carroll something insulting like $1.00. Or get just one juror to refuse to award any amount.

Remember, they could have made a settlement offer of any amount at any time to make this spectacle to go away. But they didn't. They could have asked for the amount to remain undisclosed. They didn't.

And how about THIS: Trump could have publicly apologized to E. Jean Carroll during the trial. I've done this with clients who were legally culpable. Had them write letters of apology, give ALL the money they took back to the Court to give to the victims, and apologize for their actions publicly in court. Did they want to do it? Of course not. But we didn't have a case and they wanted the whole thing to go away. Result: The Court accepted their guilty pleas, apologies, and money BUT didn't impose any fines or prison for larceny. We were granted mercy because of our accepting responsibility and showing humility. Trump *might* have had a reduction in the judgment by the jury.

Alina Habba reminds me of those unfortunate compatriots in law school, where they're called on by the professor about an assigned case, and they end up looking like abject fools in front of 100 students as well as the professor. (It happened to me once -- and once is enough for you to dedicate yourself to being prepared in the future.)

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Alina Habba [View all] no_hypocrisy Jan 2024 OP
But Trump and his lawyer know more about the law than any law library dalton99a Jan 2024 #1
Habba publically announced that her looks were more important than her legal skills, which she could fake. usaf-vet Jan 2024 #2
Yep. Liberal In Texas Jan 2024 #9
Quid Pro Quo HandmaidsTaleUntold Jan 2024 #56
Yet that statement is in direct conflict with faking competence convincingly. Shermann Jan 2024 #51
At this point, Habba acts more like a Sister Wife than a lawyer. It's so gross. catbyte Jan 2024 #3
Habba Dabba Doon't😀😂😀 malaise Jan 2024 #4
i dont see how this.. samnsara Jan 2024 #5
Habba wants a TV show PJMcK Jan 2024 #22
I could totally see her in a something a new season of 'Orange is the New Black'... SeattleVet Jan 2024 #49
Her current spouse is in a lot of financial trouble if reports are true Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #31
Even Anal Fistula said he is going to look for a better lawyer for his future trials. 3Hotdogs Jan 2024 #6
That was a fake post. And no she won't be sanctioned onenote Jan 2024 #23
Habba is/was the perfect Trump lawyer... agingdem Jan 2024 #42
Habba brought a hair brush to a gun fight. Pepsidog Jan 2024 #7
And she got spanked with the hairbrush Kennah Jan 2024 #36
Or she spanked her client with it. rubbersole Jan 2024 #45
Might be offset with fines or sanctions by the court Kennah Jan 2024 #46
Trump write a letter of apology? That's precious. dem4decades Jan 2024 #8
It could have been worse. Trump could have represented himself. sop Jan 2024 #10
Right BonnieJW Jan 2024 #25
I'm convinced trump is as threatened as he is partially because his choices for his inner circle Torchlight Jan 2024 #11
A lot of good lawyers have given up on Trump over the years. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Jan 2024 #21
Trump isn't really interested in competency Random Boomer Jan 2024 #32
Seems what he is REALLY looking for, by surrounding himself with sycophants, is unconditional parental love Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #34
But, but........ MyOwnPeace Jan 2024 #57
She did her best. twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #12
Possibly. dchill Jan 2024 #38
Thanks so much, very informative. Hubba, Hubba was a Trump puppet in court, and an embarrassment to women. Joinfortmill Jan 2024 #13
Not as easy to fake being smart as she thought. tanyev Jan 2024 #14
Roberta Kaplan's partner (forgot her name) is 10x more attractive than Habba and 100x more intelligent. Beakybird Jan 2024 #28
You can only fake being smart... HuskyOffset Jan 2024 #39
Yes, like Ivanka with the world leaders....n/t CANADIANBEAVER69 Jan 2024 #43
trump got the legal representation he deserved. Paladin Jan 2024 #15
Too bad the judge couldn't impose THAT penalty on Trump! Chili Pepper Jan 2024 #37
Neither Trump nor Habba thought it was a legal proceeding. It was a campaign event. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #16
As a shooting star she wasn't particularly bright. bluesbassman Jan 2024 #17
She was a Habba Dabba in the headlights Blue Owl Jan 2024 #18
In her press statement, she says (Donald) she will appeal. That will also cost $$$$ in lawyer fees. 3Hotdogs Jan 2024 #19
Here's the thing: Attorneys are rarely both good trial lawyers and good appeals lawyers. no_hypocrisy Jan 2024 #20
She won't be a good appellate lawyer either. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #33
How stupid must enigmania Jan 2024 #24
They come from Magalandia (NT) HuskyOffset Jan 2024 #40
Definitely some Dunning-Kruger going on there Silent3 Jan 2024 #59
Kick orangecrush Jan 2024 #26
There is a book called Plaintiff in Chief: A Portrait of Donald Trump in 3500 Lawsuits tetedur Jan 2024 #27
And it's working. rubbersole Jan 2024 #47
Very good analysis and synopsis. Thank you. Firestorm49 Jan 2024 #29
I'm surprised he isn't in jail already with lawyers like Habba and Giuliani IronLionZion Jan 2024 #30
An ad for her services. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2024 #35
Someone posted this on another site.. I thought it was funny Playingmantis Jan 2024 #41
She's in it only for the notoriety and the money. Martin68 Jan 2024 #44
If he had hired a male attorney, he would be all over the internet louis-t Jan 2024 #48
I'd rather be pretty than smart because I can fake being smart. CrispyQ Jan 2024 #50
She did graduate from one of the lowest ranked law schools in the country PaulRevere08 Jan 2024 #52
Any idea what her rank in class was? TheRickles Jan 2024 #53
Thanks for the informative post. Always nice to hear from someone who understands the details. RussellCattle Jan 2024 #54
Excellent post. calimary Jan 2024 #55
To be fair. czarjak Jan 2024 #58
Ugly Is An Inside Job - Abba's Ugly Through And Through... MayReasonRule Jan 2024 #60
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