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In reply to the discussion: Rachel had it Right, now DU is getting it wrong. [View all]MessiahRp
(5,405 posts)Bending over backwards last time got the most watered down HCR we could possibly pass and NO it was not better for everyone that Conservatives were involved in the conversation. They are not honest brokers and don't give two shits about doing what's right for America. They care about enriching their buddies and having access to the Government piggy banks. If they give every penny to the wealthy and the Middle Class and Poor collapse, they don't fucking care. They will continue to break us all until we accept our status as their slave labor and if we refuse it, they'll just keep enslaving the Chinese.
Rachel thinks compromised ideas are better but she is naive to think that Conservatives these days have any idea that isn't just a blatant way for them to embezzle tax dollars for their own personal gain and that of their benefactors.
So call us purists all you want but you are wrong. If Obama listened to us in the first place there would have been no wave election in 2010. He starts the discussion of HCR at Single Payer and then Republicans have to negotiate it back from there, meaning we still get a public option which would come off as a moderate compromise considering where he started. Instead he started where they wanted to start and knowing they wouldn't give him a single vote anyway, they kept pushing on him until he watered the bill down as far as it could go. Then they campaigned against him on it and Liberals after having assholes like Emanuel and Gibbs attacking us for MONTHS when they were laying off of Fox News, after not even allowing us at the table for the HCR negotiations, after refusing to care about our thoughts on NDAA or Warrantless Wiretapping, after extending the Bush Tax Cuts...again and getting practically nothing in return... yeah a lot of liberals who wanted ACTUAL CHANGE from Bush, stayed home in 2010.
They right leaning, third way Democrats did that... not liberals. You can't shit on people and expect them to come out and blindly support you regardless.
His past year has been successful primarily because he finally started to listen to liberals again. We have a fucking mandate. It's time to start listening to us. Not Conservatives whom Americans repudiated in a major way on Tuesday.