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jmowreader

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Thu Jun 22, 2023, 04:08 PM Jun 2023

My suspicion as to what caused the Titan disaster [View all]

Well...apart from the insanity of getting in such a thing and diving two miles below the surface of the ocean.

This vessel made something like 50 dives, many of them to the Titanic. The water pressure at Titanic depth is 5625 psi. By comparison, water will compress by one percent of its volume at the relatively low pressure of 3000 psi. Hence, this thing was at a depth high enough to compress something normally considered absolutely incompressible.

Titan's pressure hull was made of 660 layers of filament-wound carbon fiber. What that means is they got a big pipe or something that was the outside diameter of the inside of the pressure hull, coated it with something epoxy won't stick to, and put it in a machine that will rotate it at a certain number of revolutions per minute. This pipe would be called a mandrel. They then got a roll of carbon fiber, and wound the filament onto the mandrel through a machine that coated the filament in epoxy until the winding was as long as they needed it to be. Epoxy is used because it's the only thing that'll stick to carbon fiber. Once they get to the end of the winding they put a new roll of CF onto the machine and wind it back the other direction. Do this over and over until you have 660 layers of CF on the mandrel. After doing all this they stick the mandrel and its layer of CF into an autoclave to cure it. At the end of the curing cycle they pull out the mandrel and have a pressure hull.

This is a video of them making a Boeing 787 fuselage section the same way.



Filament-wound carbon fiber is used for many things like making bicycle forks. It is a proven and reliable technology.

Now for the problem: Epoxy is not flexible. At the depths this boat operated, it was going to compress at least slightly. US Navy submarines compress at their operating depth, which is far shallower than Titan worked at. Repeated compression and expansion is going to abuse the epoxy, and at some point the abuse is going to get severe enough that the epoxy in the CF matrix will fail. Unfortunately for five rich people, this failure happened at the worst possible time - when the boat was two miles below the surface.
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Excessive Wealth Disorder ellisonz Jun 2023 #1
Too many woke passengers in third class!? Alexander Of Assyria Jun 2023 #2
No lifeboat for you. ellisonz Jun 2023 #3
Next up: Introduction to the Physics of Icebergs ellisonz Jun 2023 #4
The third-class passengers were required to ride on the roof jmowreader Jun 2023 #18
It's a joke! Aware of their plight..the Rich have a long history of suppression and cruelty. Alexander Of Assyria Jun 2023 #19
They are still human beings demosincebirth Jun 2023 #15
So sad. ellisonz Jun 2023 #20
I especially feel for the 19-year-old son of the Pakistani businessman. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #23
So were the hundreds on a migrant boat off the coast of Greece Kennah Jun 2023 #30
A correct and empathetic response. Boomerproud Jun 2023 #31
I have to be careful Kennah Jun 2023 #32
Well, they were. Past tense seems appropriate here. wnylib Jun 2023 #34
Why does anyone need to view the Titanic at all? ellisonz Jun 2023 #35
Curiosity? We do stupid things demosincebirth Jun 2023 #36
What they need to do is manufacture a couple hundred of them. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #37
Epoxy can be flexible: Ptah Jun 2023 #5
well said... WarGamer Jun 2023 #6
The Navy would not have certified the material without extensive testing beforehand. nt NutmegYankee Jun 2023 #11
That is similar to the concern sarisataka Jun 2023 #7
Carbon fiber tends to fail catastrophically. tinrobot Jun 2023 #8
I had a carbon fiber fishing rod I used for years I bent it nearly double and dropped it doc03 Jun 2023 #16
Sell your bike soon? LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #38
I will take my chances. I just got it a couple months ago, have about 800 miles on it. doc03 Jun 2023 #42
Why do you think I refuse to ride a carbon fiber bicycle? jmowreader Jun 2023 #17
Which is why I don't buy carbon-framed bikes obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #24
And when carbon Fiber fails, it's violently. NutmegYankee Jun 2023 #9
Hey! Don't bother me with scientific facts! PCIntern Jun 2023 #10
That's right -- it was either the work of THE LORD or SATAN Blue Owl Jun 2023 #13
For heaven's sakes at least leave open the possibility of aliens. Chainfire Jun 2023 #27
It was a "vanity" excursion plain and simple..... anciano Jun 2023 #12
On second thought. I'm deleting. Easterncedar Jun 2023 #14
Its really just a one word answer... sdfernando Jun 2023 #21
Murphy's Law is immovable. Sneederbunk Jun 2023 #22
five souls lost at sea mike_c Jun 2023 #25
If I was a betting man, I would be betting on a hull fitting blowing in rather than a hull collapse; Chainfire Jun 2023 #26
So what happens to a human body if suddenly exposed to those types or pressures. Chainfire Jun 2023 #28
As I understand sarisataka Jun 2023 #29
There should be a video of it. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #39
That sounds like it would make your ears pop. Chainfire Jun 2023 #41
the effect is like stepping on a bug. ZonkerHarris Jun 2023 #40
I found a composites world article on the OceanGate design and fabrication BootinUp Jun 2023 #33
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