General Discussion

Enoki33

(1,590 posts)

62. Have friends who are moving to Portugal.

Sat Jun 3, 2023, 12:34 PM

Jun 2023

Their reasons are similar to those discussed here. However they do have a grim outlook for the future because of the corrosive influence of legalized bribery known as lobbying, the destructive influence of American oligarchy and the corruption of the educational system are some they mentioned. The supreme corruption of the courts was also prominent. They also singled out the propaganda of Fox and that the likelihood of American democracy becoming a farce offers favorable odds. Hope they are very wrong.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

91 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

How fucked up is the USA? [View all] Pototan Jun 2023 OP

Kickin' Faux pas Jun 2023 #1

I saw a car with a cheerleader-parent insignia and a profane epithet against POTUS and VP. John1956PA Jun 2023 #2

And that is a good example of how normalized hate and gun violence has become. Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #72

If Trump wins in 2024 you will see millions of folks leaving the USA... including me. honest.abe Jun 2023 #3

The Philippines is not above criticism... Pototan Jun 2023 #7

I didnt mention that but my wife has made the same comment to me. honest.abe Jun 2023 #9

They also don't claim to be a shining city on a hill, choie Jun 2023 #30

Same. Initech Jun 2023 #83

Excellent rant PJMcK Jun 2023 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author PJMcK Jun 2023 #4

Never forget... Donald Trump is but a symptom of the disease. WarGamer Jun 2023 #6

That's my point Pototan Jun 2023 #8

+1000 absolutely. WarGamer Jun 2023 #11

Kinda' what I was thinking. As has been said... Septua Jun 2023 #23

The Underbelly of a dead bottom-feeder is always yellow. czarjak Jun 2023 #54

Trump's a focal point; he validates their hate. patphil Jun 2023 #55

K&R musette_sf Jun 2023 #10

How fucked up? Totally fucked up. CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #12

Absolutely NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #13

I agree with you... Pototan Jun 2023 #15

It's so unbelievable and just so sad. Funtatlaguy Jun 2023 #14

Thank You Teammate BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #16

All. Iggo Jun 2023 #17

Wow TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #18

it is a sick country, for sure NJCher Jun 2023 #19

Thank you for posting these many points. It boils down to our media TeamProg Jun 2023 #20

To be fair, the Philippines has its own political issues to deal with at the moment. keopeli Jun 2023 #21

+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #22

Except that Duterte is now and afterthought... Pototan Jun 2023 #37

Yes, there was. Your Presidents serve one term. And Duterte handed power to F. Marcos' progeny. keopeli Jun 2023 #51

Marcos has proven to be far different from Duterte or his own father Pototan Jun 2023 #75

I could not be happier for my Philippino friends that your politics have settled. keopeli Jun 2023 #89

It should be obvious to any decent person of normal intelligence Martin Eden Jun 2023 #24

Yes, it is pretty fucked up, but it is a minority of the US that is so DemocraticPatriot Jun 2023 #25

The minority can destroy a country though. Marius25 Jun 2023 #59

excellent point Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #73

Iloilo: The City of Love Pototan Jun 2023 #86

The Philippines produces 1/3 of all the plastic waste in the oceans. Mosby Jun 2023 #26

But we don't swear in the guy who comes in second... Pototan Jun 2023 #34

This point is not even close to the point made by the author. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #52

I was just sharing info Mosby Jun 2023 #74

it's fucked because of the poison of Fucks News LymphocyteLover Jun 2023 #27

Anyone who watches FOX... Pototan Jun 2023 #35

Yes, but they become addicted and Fucks News supplies their drug LymphocyteLover Jun 2023 #45

These people were around before Fox existed ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #61

These are all valid points my friend FakeNoose Jun 2023 #28

The point of the OP... Pototan Jun 2023 #32

Agree-- that is clearly a huge and depressing problem LymphocyteLover Jun 2023 #46

You're preaching to the converted GenThePerservering Jun 2023 #29

Great post. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2023 #31

You forgot the former Vice President that was directly under attack by the insurrectionists, Bluethroughu Jun 2023 #33

Oh, I'm sure there is much more than I listed... Pototan Jun 2023 #36

I fully understand, but some of these people are beginning to get it. Bluethroughu Jun 2023 #38

Not really. Axelrods_Typewriter Jun 2023 #39

Maybe you should have a talk... Pototan Jun 2023 #40

A seriously good post malaise Jun 2023 #41

What Republicans do doesn't affect what I think of the U.S. and its culture. betsuni Jun 2023 #42

I'm A blue dot in red County JustAnotherGen Jun 2023 #44

My husband is from Italy JustAnotherGen Jun 2023 #43

The biggest problem with Italy is its far-right government Marius25 Jun 2023 #60

They leave the South for the North JustAnotherGen Jun 2023 #84

+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #87

what's more fucked up is we let him JuJuChen Jun 2023 #47

So spot on. Akacia Jun 2023 #48

*rump is the quintessence of Oligarchy Uncle Joe Jun 2023 #49

Give me a break! Stop with the good, old days. They were never good. Wonder Why Jun 2023 #50

Maybe the author speaks of "his" good old days. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #53

I guess he forgot about these "good old days" in Boston Wonder Why Jun 2023 #64

I didn't mention "good 'ole days" in my OP Pototan Jun 2023 #76

My point was that it never has been good old days. We have just come upon our Wonder Why Jun 2023 #77

During your lifetime, which President do you believe was worse than *rump? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2023 #56

None. Not a single one was close. Not Bush. Not anybody. but that doesn't Wonder Why Jun 2023 #66

I just didn't get the impression Uncle Joe Jun 2023 #68

Yep world wide wally Jun 2023 #57

Sums it up orangecrush Jun 2023 #58

Have friends who are moving to Portugal. Enoki33 Jun 2023 #62

My family and I want to move to either Portugal or France too Marius25 Jun 2023 #70

Check requirements for Portugal. Maybe a Enoki33 Jun 2023 #79

Excellent rant! pandr32 Jun 2023 #63

Exactly! SouthernDem4ever Jun 2023 #65

Bookmarked!!! BigmanPigman Jun 2023 #67

The really fucked up part is you can't buy off a cop with a c-note anymore Snooper9 Jun 2023 #69

Maybe you should also compare the Enoki33 Jun 2023 #80

Excellent post. All the best in your lives. Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #71

thanks for telling us what we already know GenThePerservering Jun 2023 #78

Sometimes it's so incremental... Pototan Jun 2023 #85

That pot has always been there. betsuni Jun 2023 #88

87%. n/t Harker Jun 2023 #81

Correct answer: oswaldactedalone Jun 2023 #82

Whatever KentuckyWoman Jun 2023 #90

I'm 70 years ole and I've fought for 50 years... Pototan Jun 2023 #91