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In reply to the discussion: Fuck your thoughts and prayers. [View all]sarisataka
(18,883 posts)15. While rightly acknowledging the outrage,
Saying "Fuck your thoughts and prayers" is no more effective than the thoughts and prayers. There is a law in place that may prevented this shooting. Charges were filed but...
I posted this back in November-
Were taking an ostrich approach to enforcing gun laws with deadly results
The Colorado Springs LGBTQ+ nightclub shooting shows the limits of red-flag laws and the need for multiple approaches to prevent mass shootings. In 2021, the suspect in this shooting was arrested after reportedly threatening violence with a bomb, multiple weapons and ammunition. The threat was serious enough that police evacuated neighbors. Still, law enforcement did not seek a red-flag order, perhaps because the county commission had declared the county to be a Second Amendment sanctuary.
States such as Colorado with red-flag laws clearly need to use them more, especially where there is violent hate speech. The 31 states that do not have red-flag laws should pass them immediately. But, as a supplement to red-flag laws, we should empower law enforcement to prevent mass shootings by removing firearms from people who are prohibited from possessing firearms without a red-flag order.
The St. Louis school shooting in October illustrates. Just nine days before the deadly rampage, police said the shooters mother called 911 and asked them to remove her troubled sons AR-style rifle. The police declined to do so, explaining that they did not have clear authority to confiscate the rifle that day because Missouri does not have a red-flag law. But unbeknownst to the officers, the shooter was committing a crime simply by possessing the firearm.
We know gun possession was a crime because earlier that month the shooter failed a federal instant background check. Licensed gun dealers in every state must run a background check to see if would-be purchasers fall into any of the federal or state prohibited categories. But bizarrely, police are not allowed to use the background check system, even when they have good reason to suspect that a person standing right in front of them is in illegal possession of a firearm. Blindfolding the police in this way likely contributed to the St. Louis tragedy and may lead to more gun deaths until the policy is changed.
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/3745454-were-taking-an-ostrich-approach-to-enforcing-gun-laws-with-deadly-results/
The Colorado Springs LGBTQ+ nightclub shooting shows the limits of red-flag laws and the need for multiple approaches to prevent mass shootings. In 2021, the suspect in this shooting was arrested after reportedly threatening violence with a bomb, multiple weapons and ammunition. The threat was serious enough that police evacuated neighbors. Still, law enforcement did not seek a red-flag order, perhaps because the county commission had declared the county to be a Second Amendment sanctuary.
States such as Colorado with red-flag laws clearly need to use them more, especially where there is violent hate speech. The 31 states that do not have red-flag laws should pass them immediately. But, as a supplement to red-flag laws, we should empower law enforcement to prevent mass shootings by removing firearms from people who are prohibited from possessing firearms without a red-flag order.
The St. Louis school shooting in October illustrates. Just nine days before the deadly rampage, police said the shooters mother called 911 and asked them to remove her troubled sons AR-style rifle. The police declined to do so, explaining that they did not have clear authority to confiscate the rifle that day because Missouri does not have a red-flag law. But unbeknownst to the officers, the shooter was committing a crime simply by possessing the firearm.
We know gun possession was a crime because earlier that month the shooter failed a federal instant background check. Licensed gun dealers in every state must run a background check to see if would-be purchasers fall into any of the federal or state prohibited categories. But bizarrely, police are not allowed to use the background check system, even when they have good reason to suspect that a person standing right in front of them is in illegal possession of a firearm. Blindfolding the police in this way likely contributed to the St. Louis tragedy and may lead to more gun deaths until the policy is changed.
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Good for him! I'm glad some elected officials are pushing back against (100% worthless) prayers.
Sky Jewels
Feb 2023
#2
Feb 17, 2016: British poet Brian Bilston, aka the "poet laureate of Twitter" tweeted it
NullTuples
Feb 2023
#12
sorry if this is getting old the last decade but MSU and UM support 18 NRA talk radio stations
certainot
Feb 2023
#11
I've noticed crossover between RW talk radio hosts and sports broadcasters, too.
maxsolomon
Feb 2023
#22