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Green_Lantern

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53. We have less than a million homeless vets....

Reply to sabrina 1 (Reply #42)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:22 PM

Oct 2012

And only 22% of vets are homeless.

I'd rather we honor than pity them.

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The problem of our military worshipping culture [View all] quinnox Oct 2012 OP

When you learn the difference between the words "worship" and DonViejo Oct 2012 #1

I agree with OP that the culture tends to worship the military and the flag k8conant Oct 2012 #4

Why blindly honor the participants in wars of aggression? ronnie624 Oct 2012 #19

Warfare and the armed forces are not the same thing. sibelian Oct 2012 #62

? argiel1234 Oct 2012 #68

As you are clearly labouring under the misapprehension sibelian Oct 2012 #92

The United States military argiel1234 Oct 2012 #96

You still don't get it. No one volunteers to fight. They volunteer to serve. And... stevenleser Oct 2012 #113

No argiel1234 Oct 2012 #118

Yes, and I know because I enlisted and know the folks I served with. stevenleser Oct 2012 #120

No, let me educate you argiel1234 Oct 2012 #127

See, you are wrong. No, I was not issued a weapon of any kind. You make assumptions galore. stevenleser Oct 2012 #130

Im assuming you were talking about the E level enlistees argiel1234 Oct 2012 #132

I enlisted and started at lowest rank like everyone else. You do not know what you are talking about stevenleser Oct 2012 #134

If you enlisted at the lowest rank argiel1234 Oct 2012 #135

No, I didnt do any more than that. Enlistees in the Air Force and Navy are not ground fighters. stevenleser Oct 2012 #140

you are right argiel1234 Oct 2012 #143

No, again you are wrong. Air force and navy enlistees do not pilot drones. stevenleser Oct 2012 #144

your right again, when enlistees graduate to Officers and higher argiel1234 Oct 2012 #146

You're attempt to talk about things you dont know is becoming Palinesque stevenleser Oct 2012 #148

then pray tell, stevenleser, answer post #118 argiel1234 Oct 2012 #153

I already answered post 118. What didnt you like about my response. A marine has also weighed in and stevenleser Oct 2012 #157

CLueless does not start to describe it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #204

It is quite surprising sarisataka Oct 2012 #141

Air Force basic training has gone through several iterations in the past 40 years stevenleser Oct 2012 #154

That matches what I had heard sarisataka Oct 2012 #160

So... your cousin is a Merchant Marine. Does he know the words to "The Halls of Montezuma"? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #149

answer post #118 argiel1234 Oct 2012 #156

I already answered 118 above. nt stevenleser Oct 2012 #158

this is going nowhere argiel1234 Oct 2012 #162

Because you refuse to listen to the people who have actual experience in favor of your assumptions. stevenleser Oct 2012 #168

In WW2 sarisataka Oct 2012 #169

. argiel1234 Oct 2012 #172

Enlighten me sarisataka Oct 2012 #173

you win argiel1234 Oct 2012 #174

Forgive me, I am old school sarisataka Oct 2012 #177

So may I assume you don't actually have a question? n/t sarisataka Oct 2012 #186

Post 118 doesn't ask a fucking question. But you tell your Merchant Marine cousin we're thankful cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #178

He is a Merchant Marine argiel1234 Oct 2012 #180

I believe they take an oath to defend the Constitution... kentuck Oct 2012 #155

"worship" = "liking or respecting something I dislike," in DU-ese. Posteritatis Oct 2012 #44

If it is too complicated for you, I understand. Robb Oct 2012 #2

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Oct 2012 #50

Yes well said. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #181

I volunteer at a VA AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #3

Thank you for doing that. Lucinda Oct 2012 #89

This veteran appreciates that you do that. stevenleser Oct 2012 #112

Thankyou, AsahinaKimi pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #191

From the other side sarisataka Oct 2012 #5

thank you for the response quinnox Oct 2012 #7

I may disagree with your opinion... sarisataka Oct 2012 #8

Semper Fi, marine stevenleser Oct 2012 #116

And I see some still aren't reading but reacting to what you wrote. Lionessa Oct 2012 #6

I think you are right in that observation quinnox Oct 2012 #9

You start out insulting people who disagree with you mythology Oct 2012 #176

There was no worshipping, it was honoring them glacierbay Oct 2012 #10

but why do they deserve more honor than artists or truckdrivers? TransitJohn Oct 2012 #69

Because they took an oath to die defending the Constitution. And they did. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #76

And I took an oath to always be irreverent. Accord me the same special honor. TransitJohn Oct 2012 #100

You may have succeeded but it hasn't benefitted the populace at large... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #128

How? TransitJohn Oct 2012 #188

As stated below... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #193

"I defy you to tell me how I, personally, have benefited from the presence of War, Inc" EX500rider Oct 2012 #195

*check check* Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #218

Let us know when your "oath" requires you to sacrifice your life. nt Llewlladdwr Oct 2012 #150

No roll eyes big enough. TransitJohn Oct 2012 #187

Yeah, it's just like any other job... pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #192

So it's the violence that you venerate. I see. n/t TransitJohn Oct 2012 #208

So it's the jaw dropping ignorance that you venerate I see. (Nt) eqfan592 Nov 2012 #217

So let's honor those people MORE, not soldiers LESS! Union Scribe Oct 2012 #199

Have you ever read Kipling's poem "Tommy"? MicaelS Oct 2012 #11

well, i'm from the vietnam era newspeak Oct 2012 #29

Something more recent: Hero of War by Rise Against ieoeja Oct 2012 #55

I love that song. Great band in general. white_wolf Oct 2012 #182

this ^^^^^^^ x 1000 n/t warrprayer Oct 2012 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author warrprayer Oct 2012 #123

I would like to point out that no one called anyone baby killers Enrique Oct 2012 #197

Democrats will be antiwar in 2016 n/t leftstreet Oct 2012 #12

Mock a gravesite, see what you get. You may have the most important msanthrope Oct 2012 #13

But mock this guy, and you'll have lots of company: sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #17

Not on DU you won't. I'm not sure why you using this man in this manner, msanthrope Oct 2012 #22

Better question, 'what is YOUR point'? DU is not the country, it is a miniscule sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #26

What is your point, Sabrina, that you are making with homeless veterans? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #34

I asked you a question. Why are there so many sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #38

No--I asked you a question, first. What are you doing for the men whose pictures you msanthrope Oct 2012 #51

What is the US Government doing for those men? And why do they use sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #54

You are the one who used their pictures. Tell us what you are doing for these men, that you thought msanthrope Oct 2012 #63

i'm with you sabrina newspeak Oct 2012 #59

The answer is simple. Republicans don't care about funding help for veterans when they come home. stevenleser Oct 2012 #117

Who said anything about mocking a gravesite? Hugabear Oct 2012 #46

Perhaps you missed the original thread? It centered around a gravesite. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #49

I read the OP. How is it mocking anything? Hugabear Oct 2012 #52

"Mocking" is probably wrong. sibelian Oct 2012 #64

This--it's the utter lack of empathy that astounds me. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #65

It shows a lack of empathy because people are worried about the living, not the dead? Bladian Oct 2012 #67

Worried about the living? What in their posts indicated to you msanthrope Oct 2012 #73

So it's the 'far left' that is the problem to you? Not the Far Right sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #103

Sabrina, the far right isn't on this board, mocking a gravesite. When they msanthrope Oct 2012 #114

I don't see anyone mocking a gravesite. I see people questioning how it honors sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #147

I'm unsurprised by what you don't see. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #163

And you have had so much opportunity to enlighten me, but for some reason sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #170

I did not see one post mocking the gravesite. ieoeja Oct 2012 #57

You should read more carefully. The OP wrote a post msanthrope Oct 2012 #60

"Soldiers should feel foolish". "It is peculiar." ieoeja Oct 2012 #70

Right. Not mocking it, just near it. Okay. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #74

Amen. And using it to further their little agenda is disgusting. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #107

how is America any different from other nations on this? Green_Lantern Oct 2012 #14

true, its a common pattern around the world but quinnox Oct 2012 #16

it is probably because from day one the US military Green_Lantern Oct 2012 #27

It supposedly was not during Vietnam, so maybe some of today's treestar Oct 2012 #31

And you'd be wrong nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #32

It is different. Most countries respect their military but they do not sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #28

I really don't think we worship military.... Green_Lantern Oct 2012 #33

I agree. I am not sure of the numbers, but I doubt that most other countries sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #42

We have less than a million homeless vets.... Green_Lantern Oct 2012 #53

I'd rather we honor them too. Neglecting them is not exactly honoring them. One sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #56

ONLY 22%!?! TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #211

I saw no one on DU worshipping them. Union Scribe Oct 2012 #200

I am not talking about that ceremony which I happen to think is very sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #209

Not really. In most of the countries I've been to, Marr Oct 2012 #93

That's been my experience also. And yet they mostly take far better care sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #106

The worship of the military is very limited. It is phony, it is for the sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #15

very good post sabrina quinnox Oct 2012 #18

People said the guards at the tomb bring a tear??? The homeless man with the dog guts me. Romulox Oct 2012 #21

Tell us what you've done for these men. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #24

There is no shortage of opportunity to help homeless veterans sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #36

So tell us the opportunity you took to help the men whose pictures you used? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #37

Why are there so many homeless veterans in a country that claims sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #39

Again--you used these men's pictures. Tell us what you are doing for them. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #47

I fear there is no real answer for the question. MineralMan Oct 2012 #58

I currently provide transportation on an ad hoc basis for Vets--homeless and otherwise msanthrope Oct 2012 #61

Yup. Next Tuesday will be busy. MineralMan Oct 2012 #66

Election monitor/attorney in PA next Tuesday. 2k of us in PA. I'm sure most of us fail the purity msanthrope Oct 2012 #75

Elections have never been about purity tests. MineralMan Oct 2012 #82

Nor do they get off their asses. The 101st Chairborne, bombs of poutrage. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #84

I really don't know if they do or not. I know that I don't run MineralMan Oct 2012 #104

Thanks for your aid. great white snark Oct 2012 #71

Thank you. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #80

Thank you for working on this election. That's the job at hand MineralMan Oct 2012 #98

Well, where should I begin, although nothing any individual can do sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #101

I don't think that a person who has worked with homeless vets would feel comfortable using them msanthrope Oct 2012 #119

Lol, it is always amusing to see you work so hard to avoid answering sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #136

Sabrina, I ignore your questions. It's not hard work. msanthrope Oct 2012 #159

I know you do. The question is 'why' considering that other people have no sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author msanthrope Oct 2012 #194

Why are you ashamed of the photos of these soldiers who returned after sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #151

Sabrina, have you taken to answering my posts twice because I'm not answering you msanthrope Oct 2012 #175

It's very hard to get an answer from you. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #179

Took back my rec of the OP. Your's deserves it far more. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #85

I prefer to ignore the pomp and circumstance which really does nothing for actual soldiers.. EX500rider Oct 2012 #196

Missed the dust up, but it seems to me you are spot on-- Romulox Oct 2012 #20

I'm just going to leave this here... LP2K12 Oct 2012 #23

I am truly sorry for your loss. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #25

I am sorry for the loss of your friend. My friend lost her husband, a sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #40

So sorry to hear that. LP2K12 Oct 2012 #78

It's an interesting issue treestar Oct 2012 #30

I would rec this post. llmart Oct 2012 #171

You know what is hysterical, yes hysterical, about this post nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #35

Sure Americans worship the military. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #81

That's not worship, that's fetishism sibelian Oct 2012 #87

Just to add to the above.. txdemsftw Oct 2012 #41

Yup, the special chief's fund nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #43

I just saw a Facebook post SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #45

I imagine there are a handful who greatly respect, even admire the military. LanternWaste Oct 2012 #48

I suppose that if we dont clap loud and hard enough argiel1234 Oct 2012 #72

I don't think it's really anything uniquely to do with being American. sibelian Oct 2012 #90

Respect for the armed forces is most certainly NOT a universal trait argiel1234 Oct 2012 #94

You are wrong again. No surprise here. In virtually all Democracies, the populace respects the stevenleser Oct 2012 #122

Post the Democracies and then post the links argiel1234 Oct 2012 #129

Those are not Democracies. Next? nt stevenleser Oct 2012 #131

are you saying that our allies in Egypt, Quatar and the U.A.E are not argiel1234 Oct 2012 #133

egypt quatar and the uae argiel1234 Oct 2012 #137

Mexico, where polling reveals the army nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #205

How many countries have you lived in? nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #201

Two of the greatest authorities on this issue agree. Generals Eisenhower and Butler. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #77

Which has nothing to do with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #83

Of course it does. The Tomb exists to honor those that have given the last measure Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #214

The problem with your post: DevonRex Oct 2012 #79

Correction sarisataka Oct 2012 #86

I should have known, being an Army veteran myself. DevonRex Oct 2012 #95

No problem sarisataka Oct 2012 #99

The guards are Army geardaddy Oct 2012 #88

I'll make the correction now. DevonRex Oct 2012 #97

No problemo! geardaddy Oct 2012 #105

That is just one of the many problems with the OP and its supporters. stevenleser Oct 2012 #125

Yes. You're right. Every veteran would DevonRex Oct 2012 #138

As an active duty Army guy... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #142

Many people's knowledge of the military sarisataka Oct 2012 #145

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #91

This was about the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. DevonRex Oct 2012 #102

You don't think the military has become a sacred cow in this country? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #109

I think that hijacking yesterday's post about the Tomb DevonRex Oct 2012 #110

The botom line is those who hijacked that thread are major douchebags. trumad Oct 2012 #111

You mean that's all I had to say? DevonRex Oct 2012 #139

+1000000 dionysus Oct 2012 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author dionysus Oct 2012 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #108

Veterans are treated like Shit , there is no worship of Military, there is worship of War Mongering JI7 Oct 2012 #115

It Is the Soldier warrprayer Oct 2012 #124

Oh I am so beyond sick of that "soldiers defend our freedom" line. white_wolf Oct 2012 #184

The soldiers didn't pick those wars. Union Scribe Oct 2012 #203

my guess is warrprayer Oct 2012 #210

Bingo! Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2012 #126

Venerating a tomb (and by extension, a culture of militarism) isn't the same as caring for vets. Romulox Oct 2012 #152

Patriotism is for fools! I will deffer to those wiser than I. See examples... L0oniX Oct 2012 #164

wow, great list of quotes quinnox Oct 2012 #183

+47 Enjoyed reading those! Thanks. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #202

thanks for making a fool of yourself. dionysus Oct 2012 #165

Well, yesterday quinnox thought the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was msanthrope Oct 2012 #198

Respect for the military is ingrained in the people's mind. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #185

good post quinnox Oct 2012 #189

Thank you and it is a good topic. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #190

Honoring those who sacrificed everything is different than "worship of all things military"... Scuba Oct 2012 #206

I agree. Vattel Oct 2012 #207

Sorry, but that is a bunch of bullshit. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #215

Geez, the "I was just following orders" excuse is alive and well. Vattel Nov 2012 #219

Speaking as a "foreigner" Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #212

Wow, just wow. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #216

No, I agree with you Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #220

In America church and war seem to go hand in hand DaniDubois Nov 2012 #213

Our culture worships war, not the military Dash87 Nov 2012 #221