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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts) Thu Mar 4, 2021, 01:50 AM Mar 2021

Should Democrats who oppose ending the filibuster be primaried? [View all]

I say yes- those who want to preserve it simply wish to be kingmakers in a hung Congress.
I feel it's *that* important, even at the possible cost of seats.

Democrats should not conform to the old stereotype of "liberals that are too principled to defend their own interests"

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Should Democrats who oppose ending the filibuster be primaried? [View all] friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 OP

Are one of them your senators ? JI7 Mar 2021 #1

No- but their actions affect me, you and everyone else friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #3

Why not focus on WINNING more democratic seats so someone like Manchin JI7 Mar 2021 #2

If the GOP gets their various voting suppression laws enacted, there won't BE any. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #4

Are you from West Virginia ? JI7 Mar 2021 #9

No. And now, a question for you: Does Manchin refuse out-of-state money? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #13

Manchin isn't going to lose the Primary to someone to the left of him . JI7 Mar 2021 #15

"I prefer to focus on beating...shitty republicans." Me too, but the GOP wants to stack the deck friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #18

Those Maine Biden/Collins ticket splitters really hurt. Funtatlaguy Mar 2021 #6

We ran a weak, non-native ( a big deal in Maine) candidate, and Collins took Manchin's endorsement Celerity Mar 2021 #20

Great post. Cunningham's pecker cost us NC. Sigh. Funtatlaguy Mar 2021 #24

The Senate is sorta my thing (the House a bit too). I had us winning 52 seats, maybe 53, but Celerity Mar 2021 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Funtatlaguy Mar 2021 #25

I had forgotten about Manchin's endorsement of Collins. The support for this hack merely because... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #26

Well yes we would qazplm135 Mar 2021 #14

"Senator John Fetterman" does have a nice ring to it, doesn't it? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #17

Let's try to win other seats so we don't need them. bottomofthehill Mar 2021 #5

Mitch is *already* calling the shots- SB1 is dead without elimination of the filibuster friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #7

No, If Mitch was calling the shots we would not even have a chance of passing what we do JI7 Mar 2021 #10

No. Flip the low hanging fruit and make them irrelevant again. meadowlander Mar 2021 #8

In your opinion, which Senate seats do you feel are 'low hanging fruit' in '22 and/or '24? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #11

Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin. meadowlander Mar 2021 #28

I'd actually prefer Manchin and Sinema retain their seats- but their opposition to voting reform... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #33

Why? The next cycle is 2 years away. By then, the only chance to eliminate it will be gone forever PSPS Mar 2021 #12

That's exactly what will happen if Manchin and Sinema don't change course on the filibuster friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #16

If we fail to pass voting reform, losing those Senate seats will hardly matter. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #19

To put it bluntly, Manchin and Sinema are obstructing that voting reform friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #21

I know. And if they obstruct it sufficiently, they'll make themselves irrelevant. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #23

Not unless the aspiring candidate is strong enough to beat the Republican. pnwmom Mar 2021 #22

It won't matter if the GOP rigs the game, and then he'll lose his power as kingmaker... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #30

As long as he's in the Senate, he counts toward the 50 or 51 votes we need pnwmom Mar 2021 #32

Except we won't *have* those votes, because the GOP is actively trying to suppress voting: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #34

Manchin votes with progressives about 60% of the time pnwmom Mar 2021 #36

in a perfect world orleans Mar 2021 #27

Moscow Mitch *will* be running the Senate again, and we will be the minority party forever... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #31

Only Feinstein, IF she runs again (and the filibuster is not the only reason). Manchin and Celerity Mar 2021 #35

I forget who said it, but there's a cynical (but accurate) description of the two parties: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #38

we may need the filibuster sooner than you think ..... rampartc Mar 2021 #37

I think we can pick up 3 or 4 Senate seats, and retain the House, *if*... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #39

that is a big IF rampartc Mar 2021 #40

and, ironically, the filibuster is going to stop the new Voter's Rights Act dead in its tracks Celerity Mar 2021 #42

i am with you, celerity rampartc Mar 2021 #43

Biden can veto, (and that is only needed if they have the House as well) and historically, the Celerity Mar 2021 #41