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reACTIONary

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96. Unfortunately, disorganized labor...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:26 AM
Aug 2020

... is relatively unproductive, compared to organized effort. And as social animals, we have always organized and coordinated our efforts... that is the only way social animals can survive, let alone prosper.

Productive social organization implies some form of leadership. The provision of leadership is a very valuable, in fact essential, capability. And like all other capabilities, specialization in leadership makes for more effective leaders, and thus more effective and productive economic organization.

I think there is a general, maybe intuitive, understanding that this is true, which is why there is a general, maybe intuitive, tolerance or even respect for elites, that always works to undermine the arguments for working class solidarity against the plutocracy.

AOC FTW [View all] CousinIT Aug 2020 OP
recommend +1,000,000,000 handmade34 Aug 2020 #1
[b]"We can have democracy in this country, OR we can have Hortensis Aug 2020 #146
It was consumers & essential workers, not the "job creators," CrispyQ Aug 2020 #2
Love this..sending to my son who works in medical field. Thanks! RestoreAmerica2020 Aug 2020 #10
Tell him we are all so thankful for what he & his colleagues do! CrispyQ Aug 2020 #11
Missed an essential one NotANeocon Aug 2020 #19
The truth is that simple. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #3
Now if we can just get the entire working class to unite and fight we might win. cayugafalls Aug 2020 #4
Billionaires are parasites. Every billionaire is a failure in policy. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #5
We can't afford billionaires... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #6
A famous quote by Abraham Lincoln: panader0 Aug 2020 #7
Great quote from Lincoln. It's been my signature line here on DU fro a while. Don't remember... EarnestPutz Aug 2020 #41
Thanks! I once quoted that to a conservative republican and I asked him Trailrider1951 Aug 2020 #93
K&R -nt Ohio Joe Aug 2020 #8
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2020 #9
The proof that billionaires need workers is simple Ohioboy Aug 2020 #12
They would use slaves, mrsadm Aug 2020 #60
Right on! LiberalLovinLug Aug 2020 #13
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lol melman Aug 2020 #16
The upper management don't have to be billionaires lunatica Aug 2020 #18
Upper management doesn't have money to risk ventures and expansions SpaceNeedle Aug 2020 #42
You go check lunatica Aug 2020 #47
In my experience when people become billionaires SpaceNeedle Aug 2020 #48
So, is the organizational business model of banks ordained by god? jaxexpat Aug 2020 #75
There is no excuse for billionaires. None. theaocp Aug 2020 #22
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #43
Right, so many of them were Bettie Aug 2020 #62
Sweden, Norway and Iceland have survived and done well despite ehrnst Aug 2020 #135
Exactly. George II Aug 2020 #31
LOL tenderfoot Aug 2020 #59
If this were true we'd still be waiting for someone to develop fire and the wheel. rwsanders Aug 2020 #65
Unfortunately, disorganized labor... reACTIONary Aug 2020 #96
I think there can be leadership without a group of "leaders" who do no work and contribute nothing. rwsanders Aug 2020 #110
I think that economics of scale, while... reACTIONary Aug 2020 #137
The problem there is that once you reach a certain point, the organization then becomes a monster rwsanders Aug 2020 #145
Efficiency does not trump justice... reACTIONary Aug 2020 #154
Sorry, been there done that. Haven't seen any benefit of size other than to concentrate wealth rwsanders Aug 2020 #156
Time will tell... reACTIONary Aug 2020 #157
They wouldn't have any $$ to invest treestar Aug 2020 #76
Agree. nt reACTIONary Aug 2020 #94
She's the best melman Aug 2020 #15
lol SpaceNeedle Aug 2020 #44
Yawn melman Aug 2020 #52
I've made that argument all my life. lunatica Aug 2020 #17
Oh dear! This sounds awful! If true, what is the solution? NurseJackie Aug 2020 #20
All of the above. Look to history. FDR had it right. Second Bill of Rights, 90% marginal tax rate rwsanders Aug 2020 #21
FDR's economy was all based upon WWII spending SpaceNeedle Aug 2020 #45
Not an area of history I'm familiar with, but I doubt that the booming economy was rwsanders Aug 2020 #64
Sweden has a higher Billionaire per capita rate than the US. ehrnst Aug 2020 #132
I don't think it is just a slogan, and maybe billionaires aren't the entire problem, maybe rwsanders Aug 2020 #136
So why do you think that they are more prevalent in Sweden and Iceland ehrnst Aug 2020 #138
Maybe because their societies haven't left people to live on the streets, rwsanders Aug 2020 #147
How do you propose to eliminate them? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #149
I'm not an economist, but FDR is a great model... rwsanders Aug 2020 #152
"Really simple stuff." ehrnst Aug 2020 #153
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #155
Strawman. When you have no real rebuttal. ehrnst Aug 2020 #158
Going after me by DM? Seriously? "Twit?" ehrnst Aug 2020 #159
Also ... "your". NurseJackie Aug 2020 #163
Wow.. smh. Who Does THAT?!! Cha Aug 2020 #164
THat Should Be You're Me. Aug 2020 #165
Where exactly in that tweet did she say they should be outlawed? manhattan123 Aug 2020 #25
Where did I say that she had? NurseJackie Aug 2020 #26
So your solution is to outlaw them? manhattan123 Aug 2020 #28
Ridiculous. That's a question, not a quote. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #30
But she didn't call for anything to be done to billionaires, just pointed out an indisputable fact manhattan123 Aug 2020 #32
Where are the solutions? Anyone can post a laundry list of problems... NurseJackie Aug 2020 #37
Irrational is an insult? manhattan123 Aug 2020 #63
Please don't play innocent with me. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #77
I'm having a hard time deciding which is the key word - "irrational" or "insult". George II Aug 2020 #81
I don't know. But here's a gif... NurseJackie Aug 2020 #84
Aha! First thing that comes to mind is "connect the dots"! George II Aug 2020 #85
This one is wearing a disguise... NurseJackie Aug 2020 #86
Back when I lived in Manhattan I used to walk past this hotel a couple of times a week: George II Aug 2020 #88
That's a very unique name. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #90
If someone was to call your ideas for change 'irrational' you'd ehrnst Aug 2020 #151
Back in January she said billionaires shouldn't exist. George II Aug 2020 #29
I don't know what she said in January, I don't fixate on her as some around here seem to. manhattan123 Aug 2020 #33
And the answer is that she doesn't believe billionaires exist. Don't know what she intends to do.... George II Aug 2020 #34
She doesn't believe billionaires exist? manhattan123 Aug 2020 #36
Typo - she doesn't believe billionaires SHOULD exist (as I said in the previous post).... George II Aug 2020 #38
Oh, you thought I was talking about you? manhattan123 Aug 2020 #39
First clue was "you do you". Whatever, have at it. George II Aug 2020 #40
Well, I was talking to your bud NurseJackie, but okay... manhattan123 Aug 2020 #61
You said "You do you" and then "Oh, you thought I was talking about you?" betsuni Aug 2020 #78
I know, right? NurseJackie Aug 2020 #79
Heh. Interesting. betsuni Aug 2020 #91
Snap! ehrnst Aug 2020 #139
Suggestion - respond to the person to whom you're talking. George II Aug 2020 #80
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Bazinga! NurseJackie Aug 2020 #27
but... but.. they are good billionaires .. they are allowed to exist SpaceNeedle Aug 2020 #46
... tenderfoot Aug 2020 #58
Just call it "grassroots," then it's okay. betsuni Aug 2020 #49
wait for it sheshe2 Aug 2020 #51
Is she voting in their best interests? paleotn Aug 2020 #97
We don't know. But we do know she's voted against the Democratic majority.... George II Aug 2020 #99
Well, if she's a tool for the uber rich... paleotn Aug 2020 #101
"one can ask the question in your subject line" melman Aug 2020 #104
And that is exactly why slavery exists. japple Aug 2020 #24
K & R Celerity Aug 2020 #35
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #50
Did she say that? SoonerPride Aug 2020 #53
plutophobia! melman Aug 2020 #55
plutophobia is a another RW talking point on edit (as the post was hidden) the poster I am Celerity Aug 2020 #57
How is it a right-wing talking point? Too many syllables for the modern American right-winger. betsuni Aug 2020 #66
Defence of a plutocracy is a priori RW, and also, by its very nature, anti-democracy. Celerity Aug 2020 #67
There wasn't any defense of plutocracy. betsuni Aug 2020 #68
Yes it was, most definitely so, for the reasons I already laid out, including my reply in regards Celerity Aug 2020 #69
The point of America is that it's a Disney Land capitalist casino. You can visit wearing betsuni Aug 2020 #70
you are projecting far more into this than what the post I replied to said, and also what I said Celerity Aug 2020 #71
... betsuni Aug 2020 #72
you do not need billionaires to have effective capital formation, that is a RW talking point Celerity Aug 2020 #56
Can't get any more graphically to the point KPN Aug 2020 #54
I see Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #73
Stunning shocking surprising Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #74
"AOC haters"? That's rather divisive, isn't it? We can't discuss what politicians... George II Aug 2020 #83
Oh, suddenly holding feet to the fire and constructive criticism is bad and "hating." betsuni Aug 2020 #89
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #92
Haaaaa! NurseJackie Aug 2020 #95
LOL! Every time I read that quote... NurseJackie Aug 2020 #98
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That quotation from Hamlet doesn't mean what you think it means. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2020 #160
LOL Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #161
From my experience, not even all English teachers. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2020 #162
Another bigger better longer General Strike for Labor Day! Bluethroughu Aug 2020 #82
The world would be far better off without Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Tesla, SpaceX fescuerescue Aug 2020 #87
Kick....n/t Upthevibe Aug 2020 #103
Power to the people! dchill Aug 2020 #105
The term billionaire needs to become an anachronism. argyl Aug 2020 #106
62 out of 147... demmiblue Aug 2020 #148
AOC! K/R (nt) Alex4Martinez Aug 2020 #150
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