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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:00 PM May 2020

An Odd End [View all]

Two of the three friends who called me yesterday spoke about the frustrations they had experienced earlier in the day, in conversations with otherwise good people who support Donald Trump. I attempted to explain why I generally do not share that level of frustration, although I certainly do understand it and appreciate the difficulties in communicating with members of the Trump cult. I suspect that when I spoke about some National Geographic specials on ABC in the mid-1960s, they wondered what the heck I was babbling about.

Now, this may sound like the long arm of coincidence, wrenching itself out of socket, but if you stick with me, it may not be that much of a stretch. In the 1960s, there were documentaries on Louis and Mary Leakey's discoveries at Olduvai Gorge in Africa. They found what were then recognized as the oldest stone tools produced by our early ancestors, dating back 1.85 to 1.77 million years ago. One of my late friends worked with them at the site, and I now ave his 50-piece collection of artifacts. I also have artifacts from Neanderthals in France, and the El-Adam culture in what is now part of the African desert. They are kept in my “home-museum” with the Native American artifacts that I have found spanning 10,000 years of local history.

(My interest in local Indian history was sparked in the first grade, when principal Howard Dunbar spoke to our class about Mohawk leader Joseph Brant's camp in Sidney during the Revolutionary War. Brant's warriors stole the clothing local settlers had on their clotheslines, and Mr. Dunbar told us of about some of the warriors donning women's bloomers. I now have over 100 artifacts from Brant's camp in my collection. But I'm rambling.)

What I find most fascinating about all of this is the evolution of the human brain. Certainly, the growth in our brain size and structure has made resulted in the evolution of our consciousness. And this has resulted in our social evolution. Yet, at the same time, those older portions of our brain, from the bulb we call the brain's stem up to the prefrontal cortex, still operates 24/7, primarily at unconscious a subconscious levels. And I think that is important for us to keep in mind.

We are all familiar with the concept of the “fight or flight response” that humans share with many other animals on earth. It surely helped us survive as a species, going back to our most ancient ancestors. However, I think it's possible to say that its value can be distinct when we think of the context of scavengers at Olduvai Gorge and scavengers carrying weapons of warfare while protesting for their “rights” at a state capital.

“Fight or flight” originates in the sympathetic nervous system, a component of the autonomic nervous system which involves our spinal cord. When stimulated, it activates the release of chemicals in our brains that allow for the individual to increase the odds for survival. And those chemicals in our brains play an important role in our emotions, including anxiety and anger.

Clearly, emotions are also tied to the operations of other parts of our brain, from the middle regions to those prefrontal lobes. That is the region where things such as memory and attention – necessary for our species to anticipate and thus plan for the future – are found. This was among the primary reasons that modern humans survived, while our close relatives the Neanderthal and Denisovan did not. (However, modern humans from Europe usually have a small trace of Neanderthal in their DNA, and Asians end to have traces of Denisovan in their DNA.Fascinating!) More, scientists are making advances in locating parts of the prefrontal lobes that do not operate particularly well in the psychopaths and sociopaths among us.

Hence, I think it is likely that the difficulties that normal people find in communicating with Trump supporters is rooted in how and where incoming information is processed in the brain. In my mind, it explains why, for example, that many of my friends who hunt and fish recognize that changes in the land, water, and air quality have brought about changes in the nature of their hunting and fishing experiences, yet at the same time are convinced that “climate change” is a hoax. I do not believe that they are stupid or bad – I know that they are not.

Now, upon the slender chance that anyone is so bored by social isolation that they have read this far, I am curious if this makes sense?

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An Odd End [View all] H2O Man May 2020 OP
"I do not believe they are stupid or bad" is a good stance Kitchari May 2020 #1
I agree. H2O Man May 2020 #11
A Very Interesting Read Me. May 2020 #2
Yes, most of H2O Man May 2020 #12
We Disagree Me. May 2020 #16
I think the opponents of the cult may be reaching the point of no return. kentuck May 2020 #3
I've been H2O Man May 2020 #13
So What Do You Think Is The MOst Effective Way To Strike At The Puppeteer? Me. May 2020 #18
I wonder what Malcolm would think of today's circumstances? kentuck May 2020 #29
Great question. H2O Man May 2020 #38
The typical rw approach to climate change Mosby May 2020 #4
Right! H2O Man May 2020 #14
MAGA's live in the Rear Fear Lobe Brain Period! Or, maybe not all... MartyTheGreek May 2020 #5
I hear you! H2O Man May 2020 #15
In that view, nobody is stupid or bad. ananda May 2020 #6
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man May 2020 #17
WaterMan how do we communicate with these people? malaise May 2020 #7
One of the things H2O Man May 2020 #19
You are way more patient than me malaise May 2020 #20
Well, I don't know H2O Man May 2020 #23
Very interesting malaise May 2020 #24
Right. H2O Man May 2020 #31
Bookmarked! kentuck May 2020 #35
I bookmarked that one malaise May 2020 #36
"They are not stupid or bad" depends on a particular point of view I suppose ismnotwasm May 2020 #8
Great point. H2O Man May 2020 #21
I am fascinated with the way humans can compartmentalize areas of their lives malaise May 2020 #26
Eugenics is not a good look Steelrolled May 2020 #9
Eugene, Oregon is nice. H2O Man May 2020 #22
I've never been to Eugene Oregon Steelrolled May 2020 #25
I haven't, either. H2O Man May 2020 #28
blather on old friend. mopinko May 2020 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 2020 #27
There is another kind of Trump supporter: religious zealots Kitchari May 2020 #30
Absolutely. H2O Man May 2020 #33
They are not stupid or bad; they just believe alternative facts Martin Eden May 2020 #32
Very well said! H2O Man May 2020 #34
Well, you know those wacky Buddhists say there's no such things as good or bad. blogslut May 2020 #37
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