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Mike 03

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16. Hopefully you're right.

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 02:48 PM

Dec 2019

Except...

Russian interference. Check. (Boris Johnson even tried to suppress a report about Russian interference.)
A sizeable portion of the population believing "facts" that aren't true or ignoring facts they don't like.
A sizeable portion of the population rallying around a leader who the world mocks.
Rallying around a leader who threatened to flout court orders and law (though he pulled back).
A sizeable portion of the population voting against their own financial interests and it's not clear why.
THe fomenting of division so great it has torn families apart.
Some of this has to do with disdain for immigrants and familiar populist tropes.

Did some liberals simply get exhausted by Brexit? This morning even the experts are disagreeing about what happened. I say we should listen to them and figure out for ourselves whether we need to pay attention to this or not. It's very hard to predict voter behavior right now, or entirely understand what motivates it. So I say we shouldn't completely dismiss what happened last night. We do so at our own peril. How many of thought Trump couldn't even win a first term, right up to the week he won?

EDIT: From the BBC last night. More "lower class voters" (their words) than middle class voters voted for Conservatives in this election and that's never happened before (according to BBC). They couldn't explain it.

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OMG...The UK Elections Are Not A Predictor Of What Will Happen Here [View all] Me. Dec 2019 OP

Right?! eissa Dec 2019 #1

And Boris is really popular in the UK? lapfog_1 Dec 2019 #27

i dont think it's irrelevant, tho. i do think we are one cycle further in the process. mopinko Dec 2019 #2

And Yet There Is An Opinion Piece In The Guardian Saying BS Could've Won Me. Dec 2019 #3

The Guardian says a lot of silly things... comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #23

Yes rainy Dec 2019 #5

Bingo. nt KPN Dec 2019 #28

I saw that on CNN and was slapping my forehead Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #4

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2019 #6

The Guardian said simplicity was definitely a factor in Johnson's win. octoberlib Dec 2019 #13

I generally like H2O Man Dec 2019 #17

Corbyn himself was the #1 reason, but Labour members who were out canvassing octoberlib Dec 2019 #18

Good points. H2O Man Dec 2019 #19

... Me. Dec 2019 #25

INteresting... Me. Dec 2019 #24

There's a lot of people that just aren't that into policy and politics. octoberlib Dec 2019 #26

While I would H2O Man Dec 2019 #30

This Me. Dec 2019 #31

Simplicity is an enormous factor right now Awsi Dooger Dec 2019 #34

Thanks for your post. Very interesting. octoberlib Dec 2019 #38

Thank you. KPN Dec 2019 #29

It's not irrelevant, though NewJeffCT Dec 2019 #7

WAKE UP! Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #8

Exactly! OneBro Dec 2019 #9

Actually we predicted what happened in the UK, lol. But not really. octoberlib Dec 2019 #10

I remember scoffing at the idea Dotard could win treestar Dec 2019 #11

Polish plumbers, specifically, lol I kept seeing Brexiters complain about them on Twitter. octoberlib Dec 2019 #14

The doom and gloom nay sayers are out in force Andy823 Dec 2019 #12

It really is not that simple. Big Blue Marble Dec 2019 #21

It's not that hard either. Andy823 Dec 2019 #36

I at least had some optimism in my post yesterday. Initech Dec 2019 #33

I agree with you Andy823 Dec 2019 #35

Oh I had relatives that either didn't vote or threw away their vote. Initech Dec 2019 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Dec 2019 #15

Hopefully you're right. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #16

It's not a predictor, but it is a warning DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #20

I don't think Corbyn and Labour's crushing loss was unexpected at all. Corbyn's comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #22

What happened in the UK can be boiled down to one word: DISINTEREST. Initech Dec 2019 #32