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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
34. I maintain that the belief we are alone in the universe is akin
Mon May 27, 2019, 03:33 PM
May 2019

to the belief that the Earth is the center of our solar system. It's simply preposterous. Then again, Copernicus had the odds stacked against him...

The first notable to move against Copernicanism was the Magister of the Holy Palace (i.e., the Catholic Church's chief censor), Dominican Bartolomeo Spina, who "expressed a desire to stamp out the Copernican doctrine". But with Spina's death in 1546, his cause fell to his friend, the well known theologian-astronomer, the Dominican Giovanni Maria Tolosani of the Convent of St. Mark in Florence. Tolosani had written a treatise on reforming the calendar (in which astronomy would play a large role) and had attended the Fifth Lateran Council (1512–1517) to discuss the matter. He had obtained a copy of De Revolutionibus in 1544. His denunciation of Copernicanism was written a year later, in 1545, in an appendix to his unpublished work, On the Truth of Sacred Scripture.

Emulating the rationalistic style of Thomas Aquinas, Tolosani sought to refute Copernicanism by philosophical argument. Copernicanism was absurd, according to Tolosani, because it was scientifically unproven and unfounded. First, Copernicus had assumed the motion of the Earth but offered no physical theory whereby one would deduce this motion. (No one realized that the investigation into Copernicanism would result in a rethinking of the entire field of physics.) Second, Tolosani charged that Copernicus's thought process was backwards. He held that Copernicus had come up with his idea and then sought phenomena that would support it, rather than observing phenomena and deducing from them the idea of what caused them. In this, Tolosani was linking Copernicus's mathematical equations with the practices of the Pythagoreans (whom Aristotle had made arguments against, which were later picked up by Thomas Aquinas). It was argued that mathematical numbers were a mere product of the intellect without any physical reality, and as such could not provide physical causes in the investigation of nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus


I say the probability of alien life is so high as to be a certainty, but I have no physical proof. I do, however, have information from the Kepler probe and some data from Arecibo.

Check out this sampling from 6 years of research at Arecibo: http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitable-exoplanets-catalog

They're here! jpak May 2019 #1
When Gort shows up, "Klaatu barada nikto" a couple of times should do the trick. yonder May 2019 #33
Fascinating subject that defies our current understanding. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #2
I hope Dotard doesn't start a panic. Ilsa May 2019 #14
I WANT trump to tweet about flying saucers and aliens dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #36
I'm fine with him showing how batshit crazy he is. Ilsa May 2019 #44
Thank you for the heads-up. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #61
Thank you! I'll look for that! nt Ilsa May 2019 #64
This has been happening throughout recorded history. triron May 2019 #21
Passport to Magonia Kid Berwyn May 2019 #62
but edhopper May 2019 #3
Zero evidence? colorado_ufo May 2019 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #70
Actually, there's lots of evidence for it. trev May 2019 #53
Unidentified Flying Objects PJMcK May 2019 #4
+1. Incidentally, Russians love UFOs dalton99a May 2019 #13
So does Fox News. ooky May 2019 #25
This DesertRat May 2019 #23
The prevalence of drones makes it almost impossible to ferret out real UFO sightings yaesu May 2019 #5
I've never reported what I have seen for that exact reason. dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #24
They flew over Washington, DC. lpbk2713 May 2019 #6
Any civilization advanced enough to achieve interstellar travel ProudLib72 May 2019 #7
Why would a starfaring civilization want resources trapped all the way down a gravity well... Salviati May 2019 #10
How about FOOD? All organisms need nutrition. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #28
It would be more energy efficient to grow your own food in space. Salviati May 2019 #31
Cultural anthropology perhaps tymorial May 2019 #12
It very well could be ProudLib72 May 2019 #17
I know! Its always the resources right? Lol tymorial May 2019 #18
I maintain that the belief we are alone in the universe is akin ProudLib72 May 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2019 #26
I say the prime directive is just as much about protecting themselves ProudLib72 May 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2019 #48
They may just want to serve man lunatica May 2019 #40
You know what? I'm not even sure if I ever saw that episode ProudLib72 May 2019 #41
You can probably google a YouTube video. lunatica May 2019 #43
Maybe the UFO's flew too fast Progressive dog May 2019 #8
UFOs were spotted with radar from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #30
That was the point. Progressive dog May 2019 #38
I hope they take Trumpyboy back and his alien family! machoneman May 2019 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo May 2019 #15
giant ant overlords........... Takket May 2019 #16
The questions surrounding the possibility of intelligent alien Enoki33 May 2019 #19
Same here. Duppers May 2019 #22
mathematics is universal Mosby May 2019 #27
Never say never Baclava May 2019 #49
+1 Chin music May 2019 #56
It could hve been Mike Pence's hair piece that got away from him ? INdemo May 2019 #20
... orangecrush May 2019 #29
The Foo Fighters are not a new phenomenon sarisataka May 2019 #32
Prototypes of emerging stealth military weapons? saidsimplesimon May 2019 #37
That was true in the 1970s trev May 2019 #57
Scott AFB, completed saidsimplesimon May 2019 #65
That is certainly a possibility. trev May 2019 #68
Is Goulianni in charge of saidsimplesimon May 2019 #69
They will take a good look at this planet, and then,, Stuart G May 2019 #39
They are upgrading equipment from the 80s??? Generic Other May 2019 #42
WHY does this story keep coming back? BadGimp May 2019 #45
Oh, well...it's the Vogons. Anybody seen my towel? pecosbob May 2019 #46
Oh, great. kskiska May 2019 #47
So...we know they are coming here...the question is how Baclava May 2019 #50
"Concepts for Extracting Energy from the Quantum Vacuum" Achilleaze May 2019 #52
All the "scientific mainstream thought" of today will be laughed at in 100 years...it never fails Baclava May 2019 #63
Alien: Take me to your leader. grumpyduck May 2019 #51
These are Naval aviators, the creme de la creme RedParrot May 2019 #54
No UFO thread can be a real UFO thread without Sorcha Faal...nt SidDithers May 2019 #55
Probably testing new top secret drones... Xolodno May 2019 #58
who is? our "administration"s buddies from Moscow? anarch May 2019 #59
It's possible. Xolodno May 2019 #60
Great news! Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #66
I'm surprised they haven't been able to get better photos Blue_Tires May 2019 #67
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