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I was an antivaxer, nineteen years ago. [View all] Dream Girl Apr 2019 OP

Do you believe that the vaccine caused that child's autism? Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #1

I honestly don't know and I'm aware of the coincidental timing. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #6

Well, there are plenty of peer-reviewed scientific studies Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #13

My son was born in early 2000 so that was Wakefield study must have been in the ether Dream Girl Apr 2019 #16

19 years ago we knew a lot less than we do now..... Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #17

Yeah, I don't blame her, even as I believe the decision she made was sketchy. Blue_true Apr 2019 #64

"I was just not willing to take that risk with my child" -- THERE WAS AN DIS NO RISK obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #74

there are a few handmade34 Apr 2019 #2

That makes sense. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #8

Of course it does. It's science. The best knowledge we have available. Aristus Apr 2019 #19

You're sooo much more kind than I. snort Apr 2019 #41

You do realize this is completely illogical. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #56

The drug manufacturers themselves admitted that the vaccine was Aristus Apr 2019 #59

That is not what you said. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #72

I know that when my twin sons were babies Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #62

I was specifically addressing the comment that "if it's offered, that means it's safe." Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #71

I was agreeing with you in a roundabout way. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #81

Thanks. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #82

Agree on that. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #84

If an anti-vaxxer doesn't like being 'demonized', that's just too damn bad. Aristus Apr 2019 #88

The problem is that people on DU demonize everyone Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #92

It's the way intelligent, informed people practice medicine. Aristus Apr 2019 #99

This is a discussion board, Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #102

If by 'this is a discussion board', you mean: 'both sides need to be equally represented', then no. Aristus Apr 2019 #104

Thank you for proving my point. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #112

There are nuances and there is a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by Health & Human Services womanofthehills Apr 2019 #93

Yup. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #95

"sometimes kids get autism" StarryNite Apr 2019 #86

Not vaccines. Aristus Apr 2019 #87

Did the incidence really change Codeine Apr 2019 #90

Yup jberryhill Apr 2019 #100

Kids who are vaccinated aren't endangered by kids who are not vaccinated. marybourg Apr 2019 #3

Not entirely accurate. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #15

You were exposed to a strain the flu vaccine doesn't cover most likely.... Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #20

For that reason, flu is probably a crappy example. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #23

Please don't ever say that again. At least not here. Aristus Apr 2019 #29

There is some information that the 1918 Spanish Flu Blue_true Apr 2019 #65

Okay, whoa. Back up. I didn't say don't wash your hands. Aristus Apr 2019 #68

Okay, thanks. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #85

People who have allergies need to check out the different flu shots offered by different companies womanofthehills Apr 2019 #96

Exactly. There are people out there who have a genuine allergy to the vaccine or its components. Aristus Apr 2019 #98

I'm calling Bullshit! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #57

Washing hands and wearing mouth/nose masks improves one's chances. Blue_true Apr 2019 #66

Yeah, you are 100% wrong -- show the evidence obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #75

It didn't fail. You're still alive. Aristus Apr 2019 #25

Oh nice. It's neither. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #27

I'm sorry. I have to do this every few months with people who either hadn't got the word Aristus Apr 2019 #32

It's not your duty to alienate your allies. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #34

If what someone says convinces someone else to forego their vaccines, that person is not Aristus Apr 2019 #37

You somehow interpreted my original post and got the opposite of the intended meaning from it. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #40

If the choice is to allow irrational belief systems placing others at harm LanternWaste Apr 2019 #39

What a rathole we've gone down. You guys, in your minds, have decided that an argument for lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #42

Good Luck RobinA Apr 2019 #94

Or in this case, taking somebody who agrees with them, and bludgeoning them anyway. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #103

I sometimes go walking in our local cemetery. redwitch Apr 2019 #28

Thank you. Aristus Apr 2019 #33

Years ago I was involved in the restoration of a Pioneer Cemetery. snort Apr 2019 #43

WWI and the flu pandemic back to back. redwitch Apr 2019 #50

One of the vectors for the spread of the flu overseas was American Aristus Apr 2019 #54

Right, but I wasn't writing a treatise, just marybourg Apr 2019 #46

Some of the vaccinated kids are endangered. Mariana Apr 2019 #38

Right, but I wasn't writing a treatise. marybourg Apr 2019 #45

You wrote a false statement. Mariana Apr 2019 #47

Really? ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #4

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if they're blaming MMR for their autism issues nini Apr 2019 #26

+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #76

Many parents are thinking of themselves when they buy into the vaccine-autism connection loyalsister Apr 2019 #31

I adore my grandson ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #48

I understand that parents are faced with something that is more complicated than expected loyalsister Apr 2019 #51

That's beautiful mcar Apr 2019 #53

As to your last questions: Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #5

Thank you. This is very informative. I posted it on FB in case there are anti-vaxers among MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #101

Here are a few related articles. CentralMass Apr 2019 #7

Why would we worry about children who aren't vaccinated? Are you serious? Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #9

I wasn't aware that there were kids who were unvaccinated not by choice. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #24

I certainly don't mean to be snippy, but when you make such a serious medical decision, Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #30

No, you apparently think vaccines work 100% of the time Mariana Apr 2019 #49

Okay. That's it. Time out. I'm going to stand with my medical colleague Aristus Apr 2019 #55

Sorry, some people DO say, or imply, that vaccines work 100% of the time. Mariana Apr 2019 #80

And infants, and people having chemo, etc. obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #77

It's a nonissue for me now as I won't be raising any babies. Being African American,lets just say I Dream Girl Apr 2019 #10

It's not an "non-issue" for me because I'm a nurse I get exposed to this shit. ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #14

It was a nurse who convinced me to have my son vaccinated against pertussis Dream Girl Apr 2019 #22

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I give you lots of credit nini Apr 2019 #58

Some people think that providing accurate information in a civil manner Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #61

lulz obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #79

One problem - the pharma companies who make vaccines are required to send safety studies to Congress womanofthehills Apr 2019 #105

Do you have a non-whackadoo cite for this? nt Codeine Apr 2019 #111

Here is a doc filed in Southern District of NY womanofthehills Apr 2019 #113

Thank you. That's definitely a whackadoo group Codeine Apr 2019 #114

Herd immunity janterry Apr 2019 #11

+1 grantcart Apr 2019 #97

Because some people *CAN'T* get vaccinated and there is a minimum threshold for herd immunity. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #12

There are younger children, infants, in day care that have only had the beginning rounds of shots. ReformedGOPer Apr 2019 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author ReformedGOPer Apr 2019 #110

Your story reminds me of the little boy across the street Goodheart Apr 2019 #21

As the mother of a mildly autistic son, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #36

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i love cemeteries. lots of dead kids before vaccines. can polio come back now??? pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #52

Ah, yes. Polio. Dave Starsky Apr 2019 #70

Pretty clear to me, reading this OP and some of your responses. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #60

Was. Iggo Apr 2019 #63

I knew a girl who had mumps encephalitis. My sibs and I were utterly miserable with mumps.... Hekate Apr 2019 #67

It fucking matters! KitSileya Apr 2019 #69

Vaccines did not cause that kid's autism, and educate yourself about herd immunity obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #73

Jesus jberryhill Apr 2019 #78

So as an anti-vaccer which vaccines did you boycott for yourself? Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #83

Through your foot?! Codeine Apr 2019 #91

Yeah, it was awful. It took over a year before I could walk normally again Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #107

The Vaccine Book StarryNite Apr 2019 #89

Sears' medical license has been revoked, and he also has no experience obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #106

The simple answer to your question is that vaccines are not 100% foolproof Downtown Hound Apr 2019 #109