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We are pulled to the right. We are manipulated like fools. [View all]

The effect of the Ryan pick is that, after an entire election season of hearing the horrors that Ryan's budget will inflict on ordinary Americans, the public will welcome the bipartisan Grand Bargain catfood commission plan to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. We will welcome it with tears and hugs as the humane and generous choice.

We are being played like suckers. The one percent have finally figured out how to get Americans to welcome the dismantling of our social safety nets.

This is the big nut, folks. For decades, the existence of the social safety nets, and the public's expectation that they will always be there, has been the single greatest obstacle the one percent has faced in truly looting this country.

They have finally figured out a way to do it.

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We are pulled to the right. We are manipulated like fools. [View all] woo me with science Aug 2012 OP

don't they have to win first? Why are you assuming that people want medicare and social security still_one Aug 2012 #1

OP's point is that a similar, less obviously harsh version of austerity will be accepted sibelian Aug 2012 #3

All evidence points to the fact that the Obama administration will not just sit ideally by and let still_one Aug 2012 #5

Ryan? Ryan's a finger puppet. sibelian Aug 2012 #7

Greatest Typo Evah!!!!! seanpencil Aug 2012 #8

you are right maybe it was freudian. I meant idly. I am not going to change it either /nt still_one Aug 2012 #9

I love it!! seanpencil Aug 2012 #13

Really? He let Boner and McTurtle define the terms for 4 years Doctor_J Aug 2012 #20

Poppycock! ProSense Aug 2012 #22

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own set of 'facts'. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #56

Correct. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #94

Nah, he played the bipartisan mature guy. joshcryer Aug 2012 #173

I disagree on two points. First he incorrectly though he could work with the rethugs, and should still_one Aug 2012 #181

Yeah, but you don't get reelected being the "angry black guy." joshcryer Aug 2012 #183

The problem is some of the right wingers have a "D" behind their name. The obstructionists have still_one Aug 2012 #275

Well, the majority, if we even have one, will be smaller this time Doctor_J Aug 2012 #273

You cannot compare apples with apples. When you have so-called democrats in your party who should still_one Aug 2012 #274

While your subject line is hilarious, the post is irrelevant Doctor_J Aug 2012 #304

We will see if that is true, that being we lose congress. I am thinking the republican have left no still_one Aug 2012 #309

you're not reading my posts carefully Doctor_J Aug 2012 #338

We will see. if he wins, and by a lot, to the degree it is a mandate, similar to 2008 I believe still_one Aug 2012 #389

all evidence? LOL Skittles Aug 2012 #91

Yeah, Team O's been so passive this cycle. JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #264

Oh my WORD. woo me with science Aug 2012 #276

Shhhh! You're ruining it! Don't you know that both parties are evil & have the same goals? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #115

Amazing how often we see that posted here, eh?...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #116

Amazing indeed. I know I can't wait for the next installment in the "Both Parties Are the Same" Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #124

It's the Icke factor. He's been preaching that for many years. All the same, give up! Then, join me! freshwest Aug 2012 #162

Water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #319

Are you really asserting that "both parties are evil" is an equivalently factual assertion? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #321

Are you really asserting that either party works for the people more than corporate interests.? Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #369

I am a Registered Democrat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #372

I am a registered Democrat. Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #396

And I would happily put my credentials, history, and activism up against yours, any time. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #399

You like games do you? Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #417

Both parties Aren't evil 4 t 4 Aug 2012 #195

I've often thought that, that Obama thought he could make a huge difference and RKP5637 Aug 2012 #331

I think that's true and I think that's one reason some of us detracted... joshcryer Aug 2012 #336

"NOT ONE DAMN DIMES WORTH OF DIFFERENNNNNCE!!!!!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #375

You'd think after two wars, that meme would die, right? But, no such luck. They're still at it. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #428

The certainly have very similar goas, Tarheel Dem. sibelian Aug 2012 #439

No, you don't get it. The OP thinks the right wingers are sabatoging themselves. joshcryer Aug 2012 #171

That is not a fair characterization of the OP Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #265

Ryan is a sideshow, he's not going to actually be taken seriously. joshcryer Aug 2012 #332

That would be stupid, yes. Of course, that's not at all what the OP said. Marr Aug 2012 #311

"We are being played like suckers." joshcryer Aug 2012 #335

You're making a lot of assumptions The Blue Flower Aug 2012 #2

Obama offered a deal last April woo me with science Aug 2012 #53

What about Dick Durbin? The Gang of Six? Zalatix Aug 2012 #217

I fully agree. sibelian Aug 2012 #4

Finally? seanpencil Aug 2012 #6

Nice post, Godwin taterguy Aug 2012 #10

must google godwin seanpencil Aug 2012 #14

For those poor ogres that think they will have more money in their pockets to invest.... kentuck Aug 2012 #11

Unrec. More "both parties are the same" bs. FSogol Aug 2012 #12

"Unrec" doesn't mean anything, also... sibelian Aug 2012 #15

clear as a bell seanpencil Aug 2012 #19

+1 rudycantfail Aug 2012 #358

The OP said nothing of sort. Attacking Medicare and Social Security is absolutely different eridani Aug 2012 #119

get a grip. cali Aug 2012 #16

where did it say that? seanpencil Aug 2012 #18

Oh, woe is we... MineralMan Aug 2012 #17

strong words seanpencil Aug 2012 #21

It's easy. Contact either your local MineralMan Aug 2012 #24

If someone asked me seanpencil Aug 2012 #25

Every individual voter has individual issues. MineralMan Aug 2012 #26

and yet we ALL have that one in common seanpencil Aug 2012 #30

Indeed...yet, it seems that you and I and others KoKo Aug 2012 #381

"bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout"...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #23

Come on Sid whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #28

Research on social media finds that on most sites, no more then 20% of the people who view the JoePhilly Aug 2012 #31

How are things going in Canada Sid? Perfect? They must be since you can Autumn Aug 2012 #33

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #34

Oh, look, it's the rolling on the floor laughing guy! sibelian Aug 2012 #51

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #54

now that most of them are here in one place Whisp Aug 2012 #140

I knew there was something about you that I liked... SidDithers Aug 2012 #147

It might reveal something, sid sibelian Aug 2012 #261

Well, at least it wasn't a 'long screed' which I've been told shows a lack of intelligence. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #125

Excuse me, but AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #36

Yes he is. n/t Autumn Aug 2012 #38

Yep. He is a Canadian who regularly mocks and belittles us. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #46

He needs to try some BC bud leftstreet Aug 2012 #60

Clever trick. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #65

Ad Hominem - If you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger? Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #267

What message? As a general rule, unless you like seeing "lighten up Francis," he has no message at AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #268

If there's no message, why does it upset you so? Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #269

The best thing is to read up on the Ontario health plan, so we know what he has while he Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #279

But, Autumn, I think you will agree that the top priority is to make sure our JDPriestly Aug 2012 #45

+1 KoKo Aug 2012 #57

Yes that is the main priority. I read about Erskine Bowles and I really Autumn Aug 2012 #59

+ 100000000 woo me with science Aug 2012 #62

Erskine Bowles? No way, no effing way! He might as well appoint a Republican. That better sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #139

social security doesn't need fixing. once you agree with them that it does, you've let them have HiPointDem Aug 2012 #258

Obama's position in the past has been that the cap should be raised. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #285

We do have that right, and no amount of intimidation is going to stop the American people sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #80

I guess you don't like us furriners interferin' with them there politicking of yours. Whisp Aug 2012 #146

Nah, I like "furriners" just fine. I don't like rude uncivil trolls. Autumn Aug 2012 #153

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #154

hi little friend Whisp Aug 2012 #161

Someplace warm and sunny. With a beach. And umbrella drinks... SidDithers Aug 2012 #164

hee hee Whisp Aug 2012 #156

Lol, well the door was left wide open for you and made it so easy. Can't blame you for walking sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #165

At any time that President Obama wants to do so, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #35

We need to be at every campaign stop... woo me with science Aug 2012 #66

This Is The Internet Liberal_Dog Aug 2012 #79

Yes, but you have to understand. It's powerful enough to take down an election with one sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #167

Yeah, It Is Hard To Keep Track Sometimes Liberal_Dog Aug 2012 #187

The Internet is not real, you do realize that don't you? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #169

Recommended Autumn Aug 2012 #27

Low Information Voters Will See Rmoney/Ryan As A Breakthrough Via Koch Brothers/Karl Rove Propaganda cantbeserious Aug 2012 #29

FDR knew how to make good arguments in favor of Social Security. LBJ knew how to make good AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #32

Obama's rhetoric on social safety net issues has been limp and unconvincing. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #47

I agree with you re the absence of genuine concern about social safety net issues, except for AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #73

Chief among the problems of youth and children.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #97

Not as much of a stretch as some prefer to pretend, including some who have already TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #37

Ha ha ha ha!!! Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #39

I agree. It'll have the effect of "cry wolf!" on the electorate. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #40

Simple test of the OP's thesis: how many democrats have recently and unequivocally defended Social Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #41

This is what we need to demand. woo me with science Aug 2012 #43

Senator Durbin (D-IL) has even taken a position contrary to saving Social Security in favor AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #77

Kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #42

Yes. And the rumor is that Obama plans to appoint one of the Catfood JDPriestly Aug 2012 #44

Nobody asks these questions publicly. Nobody pins down a response publicly. woo me with science Aug 2012 #58

Personal story about Erskine KoKo Aug 2012 #68

Pure insanity. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #99

I think it is up to us to let Obama know what we think about this. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #104

Kickand Rec. Fuddnik Aug 2012 #48

Our President wants to cut - not slash - Social Security and Medicare, MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #49

And he's going to announce the cuts in his next State of the Union address... SidDithers Aug 2012 #50

$10 if you can find a post where I claimed Obama would announce cuts in the SOTU MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #52

Now who's playing word games, Manny... SidDithers Aug 2012 #61

Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #69

What claim, Manny?... SidDithers Aug 2012 #81

That would be "link," then. (nt) Robb Aug 2012 #72

You don't understand the system here apparently. SS has been cut. For two years sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #93

Apparently, I understand the system better than you do... SidDithers Aug 2012 #112

Yes, those calculations were wrong when applied to the elderly who are the most likely sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #118

It's too bad it's Congress that would have to pass a law dflprincess Aug 2012 #205

That sounds like an idea ... sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #207

I think 'social security' must be a new american cheese that Manny buys regularly Whisp Aug 2012 #143

Hey, remember that nasty baiting we were talking about in the other thread? woo me with science Aug 2012 #172

oh, you the boss of me now? Whisp Aug 2012 #176

We *are* deep in election season. woo me with science Aug 2012 #182

that's woo woo Whisp Aug 2012 #188

"phew, what's that smell," "you the boss of me now?" "woo woo" woo me with science Aug 2012 #193

you can always count on me to call out the bullshit crap against President Obama. Whisp Aug 2012 #211

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #190

in what negotiation package was this included in? Whisp Aug 2012 #197

I forgot about what? That Obama offered to cut Social Security? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #215

where do you see the word 'cut'. Whisp Aug 2012 #225

"We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs... " MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #228

you are doing it again, the same dang thing... Whisp Aug 2012 #234

Less than 1% of Social Security spending is overhead MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #238

so says you the efficiency expert Whisp Aug 2012 #240

Here we are again. The familiar problem with Third Way messaging... woo me with science Aug 2012 #239

and then there's that turd way messaging Whisp Aug 2012 #242

What expenditures? The Social programs run by the Government are the most efficiently sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #287

if not expenditures then streamlining costs Whisp Aug 2012 #293

True, so focus on where that problem is mostly to be found. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #294

Rep. Conyers: Obama demanded Social Security Cuts - Not GOP woo me with science Aug 2012 #200

Ah, yes, Opednews, trusted source. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #377

. ProSense Aug 2012 #201

You Better Believe It! Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #322

Hey, but ProSense Aug 2012 #82

Dignity by Republican standards MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #86

Well, ProSense Aug 2012 #108

Manny Goldstein: "Picking Ryan = losing with dignity" MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #185

So nice, you had to say it twice. ProSense Aug 2012 #203

Your posts are always so adorable.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #222

Why don't you just stick to the issues, and refrain from these feeble attempts to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #288

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #55

K&R Oilwellian Aug 2012 #63

If I remember from High School... bvar22 Aug 2012 #64

Marvelous, as always. woo me with science Aug 2012 #67

I will not miss posts like this one bit. Robb Aug 2012 #70

We were primed well under 8 years of Chimperor... KoKo Aug 2012 #75

This really is the deal, isn't it whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #83

Shock Doctrine. This is exactly how it works. Take advantage of a disaster, or create one sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #84

Yes, that would be the thing to do whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #89

Unfortunately, that is no longer true. bvar22 Aug 2012 #102

Yes, that scares me. Nice chess move, I guess .. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #128

but they're *not* doing that. don't we wonder why. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #259

Yes, we do wonder, because, first it would be so easy to do and second it is such a winning sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #281

even the republicans say that they want to 'save' SS & Medicare. That's because most of the HiPointDem Aug 2012 #282

How interesting! Bill having a nice rational conversation with Ryan and it sounds like Ryan sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #284

That video is enraging. woo me with science Aug 2012 #421

BInary choice DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #107

You raise an interesting point, bvar. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #109

+1000000 woo me with science Aug 2012 #133

You forgot to add "This time, for sure!" Robb Aug 2012 #71

Why isn't there a promise? woo me with science Aug 2012 #74

Because ProSense Aug 2012 #78

Good, he sees the way to strengthen SS and has said so. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #88

I'm very interested in what he says, and *especially* in what he proposes. woo me with science Aug 2012 #90

No, ProSense Aug 2012 #105

Are you defending the Grand Bargain? woo me with science Aug 2012 #111

Nice ProSense Aug 2012 #113

Then WHERE is his campaign to Raise the Cap? bvar22 Aug 2012 #98

What? ProSense Aug 2012 #106

You lost me at "fuck the democrats." Robb Aug 2012 #120

Where did you get that quote? woo me with science Aug 2012 #121

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #76

chirp. peep. both parties the same! Whisp Aug 2012 #85

Thank you for your concern. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #87

We've had the opportunity to go hard left for years dflprincess Aug 2012 #210

Yeah, a conspiracy between the President and the plutocrats, that's the ticket Progressive dog Aug 2012 #92

Perhaps you should research Obama's "Grand Bargain" that almost passed last summer Oilwellian Aug 2012 #136

the "Grand Bargain" that never made it to the Congress? Progressive dog Aug 2012 #280

Do you know why it didn't? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #286

According to Boehner, he wouldn't go for it Progressive dog Aug 2012 #302

"Which recent President has tried to make the tax system more progressive?" -- Uh, the one that AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #214

Yeah, the one who cut taxes in the stimulus nt Progressive dog Aug 2012 #262

Yes, you got it Cal Carpenter Aug 2012 #95

I like to hear that... woo me with science Aug 2012 #96

We? Sure as hell isn't a we with you and me. I'm a Democrat. Nt DevonRex Aug 2012 #100

BAM!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #127

And let me add a BOOM! great white snark Aug 2012 #155

"WE" are indeed. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #255

The difference between working for or against Democrats DevonRex Aug 2012 #367

"Most of us choose to join in solidarity with DUers who work for our Democratic candidates". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #420

I guess he's just letting us mock them openly. DevonRex Aug 2012 #422

Well he stook a stand when he issued "The Announcement", and admittedly, a couple of the worst.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #427

Then you must be upset Oilwellian Aug 2012 #166

No, I'm mostly bored with the 3rd party bullshit. DevonRex Aug 2012 #246

Me too. patrice Aug 2012 #352

By the looks of this thread DevonRex Aug 2012 #362

I've been very patient but they're getting ready to fuck Medicare reform by calling it Medicare Cuts patrice Aug 2012 #365

Who are you talking about? The majority of AMericans are moderates... and the President is moderate progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #101

"the President is moderate with left-leanings"??? I consider Obama a center-rightist. As such, coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #254

Take a nap. randome Aug 2012 #103

You touched a nerve.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #110

It's ProSense Aug 2012 #114

Both parties are NOT the same. But each year more and more of our Party sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #130

The OP ProSense Aug 2012 #159

If you don't get it, you don't get it. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #177

Wait ProSense Aug 2012 #196

Because the Tea Party crazies refused to pass it. Lucky for us they are as stupid as they sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #218

The President was more than willing to cut Social Security after the last election. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #229

"After the last election." joshcryer Aug 2012 #232

A Democratic president does not threaten Social Security dflprincess Aug 2012 #235

A Democratic uber bi-partisan President puts all things on the table. joshcryer Aug 2012 #236

Whether it would pass or not doesn't matter dflprincess Aug 2012 #241

It does matter. The President ran on a bipartisan campaign. joshcryer Aug 2012 #244

When in the 2008 campaign did he say he was willing to cut Social Security? dflprincess Aug 2012 #376

Hahaha! Obama said everything was on the table in 2008. joshcryer Aug 2012 #380

At that point I had already decided both Clinton & Obama were corporate whores and wasn't supporting dflprincess Aug 2012 #390

That's all you can do. joshcryer Aug 2012 #391

Nice. bvar22 Aug 2012 #272

Thank you woo me with science Aug 2012 #277

The March to The Right is so readily apparant ... bvar22 Aug 2012 #283

Amazing, isn't it? We are supposed to believe that an intelligent, smart, Democratic President sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #290

No, Obama wasn't "kidding." He simply knew that the Republican plan... joshcryer Aug 2012 #344

You are so much more enlightened than the rest of us poor sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #361

Watch and see. joshcryer Aug 2012 #363

So long as the people keep doing what the OP is doing, letting them know this time that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #401

Amen. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #402

There ya go moving the goalposts like a denier. joshcryer Aug 2012 #403

I didn't say it was smart. That's what you get. joshcryer Aug 2012 #340

You do not play Russian Roulette with the Health Care and Retirement funds of sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #289

There was simply zero chance it would go anywhere in the Senate. joshcryer Aug 2012 #341

What you made up?? You are claiming that this President made an offer to cut sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #356

See? Not just for the hell of it. Not as a game. joshcryer Aug 2012 #364

How many people who are dependent on SS, who are losing their homes, who sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #395

Um, no, he didn't do it "hoping they would accept it." joshcryer Aug 2012 #398

The other thing it did was validate Republican talking points woo me with science Aug 2012 #386

I guess you didn't watch his nomination speech. joshcryer Aug 2012 #393

Perfectly stated. Too bad it is so hard for some to understand this, the lost opportunity sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #397

Yeah, posting flamebait "not a dime's worth of difference" bullshit at DU tends to do that... SidDithers Aug 2012 #117

If you're in Canada and ineligible to vote in American elections, why should you care AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #250

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #251

You Better Believe It! Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #371

No kidding. woo me with science Aug 2012 #122

Ya, some really inspired trolling going on in this thread Hydra Aug 2012 #123

Lol, looks that way. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Aug 2012 #134

It does seem that way. Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #266

Without some basis in empirical evidence this is more woo woo than science. nt patrice Aug 2012 #129

... woo me with science Aug 2012 #131

Credentials don't mean squat when you don't abide by the disciplines of rationalism. nt patrice Aug 2012 #135

Isn't claiming authority on nothing more than a position exactly like the thing you say you oppose? patrice Aug 2012 #137

IOW, Authoritarian and perhaps even Fascist? patrice Aug 2012 #138

Claim rational authority/science by providing links to reliable valid data supporting your premise. patrice Aug 2012 #142

We need a link to research that show a majority of American will support the end of Social Security. patrice Aug 2012 #144

We need a link to research showing a majority of American support substantial cuts to Medicare/aid patrice Aug 2012 #148

Ah, demands for links. sibelian Aug 2012 #438

And we need a link that shows they'll support ending SocSec & cutting CMS all at the same time. nt patrice Aug 2012 #150

Who is we? NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #132

"We" is a tiny rabble who lean left but are not Democrats. great white snark Aug 2012 #145

No REAL Leftie would promote pain & sacrifice on vulnerable others for their own political gain. patrice Aug 2012 #152

It's "anarchists" who are not as free as they want people to think they are, because they are slaves patrice Aug 2012 #158

They're the technorati bourgeousie who've taken over the Occupy, they're middle class, interested in patrice Aug 2012 #327

Catfood, yum... hay rick Aug 2012 #141

You have a gift woo me with science Aug 2012 #151

You've been spouting this same fear mongering for a while now. great white snark Aug 2012 #149

Why is it "fear mongering" to want the President to promise not to cut SS and Medicare? woo me with science Aug 2012 #157

More red herring bullshit ProSense Aug 2012 #160

We have been pulled to the right. Repeatedly. woo me with science Aug 2012 #168

You ProSense Aug 2012 #174

Medicare as we know it is an adjunct to the for-profit medical model. Is it not? Shall we continue patrice Aug 2012 #163

I know. It's the same circle of people too. joshcryer Aug 2012 #175

Yeah, they're called 'Democrats'. You have a problem with Democrats? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #411

Democrats don't make shit up about the President and try to sabotage him... joshcryer Aug 2012 #415

Links to these 'slanders' please! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #419

When did asking our Party to defend SS, Medicare and Medicaid become 'fear-mongering'? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #296

Utterly asinine. The general public will move on to the next big thing... joshcryer Aug 2012 #170

It's people trying to justify taking down Obama even though that will cost us the best chance we patrice Aug 2012 #184

It's the culture of authoritarianism. I truly believe that. joshcryer Aug 2012 #191

Mindless repetition of that evil "3rd Way" as though that's one and ONLY one thing that MUST be patrice Aug 2012 #204

Yes, authoritarian, which cannnot help but become fascist if it, in whatever form, gains foothold.nt patrice Aug 2012 #206

"Even if we do accept some austerity..." woo me with science Aug 2012 #219

I said I don't believe we'll accept any austerity. joshcryer Aug 2012 #221

The asinine Conspiracy Theory is that there never was a Grand Bargain, and the most sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #412

I highly doubt that. joshcryer Aug 2012 #414

I think anyone with a few brain cells knew we would lose the house, some of us here sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #425

yeah this is a good point. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #178

No, the right wingers are controlling the narrative... joshcryer Aug 2012 #180

I don"t know maybe limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #202

Amazing how merely wanting a promise that our President will not cut safety nets, woo me with science Aug 2012 #423

Well it seems like people are really into the whole limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #426

And, we'll be serenaded by the 3rd Way with songs about how it's "not as bad" and has 800% support. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #179

It's always fascinating to watch the inevitable shift woo me with science Aug 2012 #186

Do you have ANY idea how paternalistic that post is? Just exactly like those you claim to oppose. nt patrice Aug 2012 #192

Yep, see post #191. I used paternalistic, as well. joshcryer Aug 2012 #194

Lol, well as a woman, I am struggling to see this paternalism in that post. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #299

Wow. You don't see paternalism in OP claiming to be able to READ THE MINDS of billions of people so patrice Aug 2012 #303

"Occupy proves it's FASCIST inclinations..." Marr Aug 2012 #314

Read OP & Explain to me what isn't fascist about dictating to others what billions of people think. patrice Aug 2012 #318

Your claims of paternalism and fascism are both completely asinine. Marr Aug 2012 #320

You are not in the least sorry. Please do not lie. You just demonstrated my entire point. patrice Aug 2012 #339

Asserting that you know my mind? How paternal. Marr Aug 2012 #342

How dishonest to call someone asinine and then expect them to bend over for you & be nice. patrice Aug 2012 #345

I said your CLAIM was asinine-- not you. Marr Aug 2012 #354

You honestly think what you just said isn't bullshit? wow. patrice Aug 2012 #359

+1 nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #347

Poster appears to be conflating neo-Trots with Occupy. joshcryer Aug 2012 #355

Paternalistic? How So would you describe this post as that? KoKo Aug 2012 #199

It's paternalistic to point out paternalism? Bigotted to point bigotry? Sexist to object to sexism? patrice Aug 2012 #208

You say: KoKo Aug 2012 #224

That's a quote from #186, which I commented on because it is paternalistic. patrice Aug 2012 #226

Anyone who disagrees is "denying" and "rationalizing." joshcryer Aug 2012 #227

Yes - and - Science DOES NOT DO THAT SORT OF THING. Science in its very nature is NOT absolutist. patrice Aug 2012 #231

Do you question that "Global Warming" is a possibility based on KoKo Aug 2012 #388

Superior to all others, authoritarian, opinionated but trying to represent that as factual, patrice Aug 2012 #198

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #189

So Obama called Romney and got him to pick Ryan, so that when Obama wins, Obama can carry JoePhilly Aug 2012 #209

No joke. That's the theory out there & they're all saying exactly this kind of stuff: Obama's a liar patrice Aug 2012 #243

+1, 75 recs as of this post. joshcryer Aug 2012 #249

It makes my skin crawl thinking about that. DevonRex Aug 2012 #382

Exellent post sandyshoes17 Aug 2012 #212

The use of first person plural is presumptuous and disrespectful of millions of people, who it is patrice Aug 2012 #213

"...disrespectful of millions of people" quinnox Aug 2012 #406

What do you mean by "we"? Over the years, the increased radicalization Proles Aug 2012 #216

I have three words for you: Hydra Aug 2012 #237

Everyone uses 3rd Way like it means one thing and one thing only, also like nothing ever changes, patrice Aug 2012 #245

Uh huh Hydra Aug 2012 #247

Well, as a matter of fact, I do think DLC is a more valid reference to what you're talking about ... patrice Aug 2012 #248

You only have to go the Third Way website to find out who they are and what they sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #291

So, we surrender the semantics unilaterally? Screw Chomsky, Lakoff, other rhetoricians? patrice Aug 2012 #295

I'm sorry, I do not understand your comment. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #298

There's more than one 3rd Way. You apparently have chosen to prioritize the enemy that you perceive patrice Aug 2012 #301

I don't view them as 'the enemy'. That's a pretty loaded word. I view them as politically sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #307

Well, then perhaps you'll consider informing OP that not everyone who thinks in dialectics is the patrice Aug 2012 #308

I have the utmost respect for the OP and have no need to inform him of something sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #310

"Seems like you don't know much ..." Just proved what I am saying. You're a CLIQUE. It's all about patrice Aug 2012 #313

Seriously, I really do not understand your posts, probably a failing in me. So I'm going to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #316

You don't understand what it is like to be told "seems like you don't know much"? wow. patrice Aug 2012 #317

You're not the only one. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #351

They're setting the Democrats up for a fall on the fact that Medicare NEEDS updating in order to patrice Aug 2012 #357

That is a problem the Democrats brought upon themselves. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #410

Thanks, I thought it was just me! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #394

Links??? patrice Aug 2012 #220

WHY don't you respond to an honest question about Medicare, in my post #163? patrice Aug 2012 #223

Patrice...you have 18 posts here... KoKo Aug 2012 #230

Predicting what billions of people think is not rational. NO evidence of any sort is offered. patrice Aug 2012 #233

You aren't clueless. ronnie624 Aug 2012 #271

And of course, none of that would have anything at all to do with your own liabilities. It's always patrice Aug 2012 #297

Please reply to what folks have asked you to. KoKo Aug 2012 #323

It isn't necessary for me to reply to insults. If someone doesn't know a word I use, they CAN google patrice Aug 2012 #343

I have tried to respond to you, nor have I insulted you. I made an assumption based sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #400

Recommend nt Zorra Aug 2012 #252

let's hope not, that would be the ultimate betrayal of the Democratic party traditions quinnox Aug 2012 #253

If the Democrats stop rolling over for these fools this wouldn't happen johnlucas Aug 2012 #256

+1 HiPointDem Aug 2012 #257

You must be exhausted trying to muddy the election waters with your made-up woo. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #260

So who's going to turn into a Republican after reading this OP? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #337

Unfortunately we are being pulled right on many issues, like the H1B visa twins.fan Aug 2012 #263

I disagree Mosaic Aug 2012 #270

such a low opinion of voters (Americans) bigtree Aug 2012 #278

A low opinion of voters would be thinking that the average Democratic voter will turn into sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #292

Some of us are not objecting to the discussion.It's the insistence that anyone who disagrees/differs patrice Aug 2012 #300

Right. Q. And who is it here who is doing that? A. OP and cohort. patrice Aug 2012 #306

Agree, Sabrina...much to think about there..... KoKo Aug 2012 #324

Yep. No links. Just fascist bullshit about some woo woo enemy named Third Way. Bunch of tail chasing patrice Aug 2012 #305

We've already had a peak at the marketing. "Fiscal Cliff" and "Grand Bargain" are Marr Aug 2012 #312

They're gettin ready for 2016 and Occupy is helping, because they have been taken over by the patrice Aug 2012 #315

Would you have EVER supported OWS if you didn't think they would go: KoKo Aug 2012 #325

You see, that's it right there, that inability to conceive of anyone else having legitimate reasons, patrice Aug 2012 #334

Thanks, Patrice for your sharing your experience with OWS.... KoKo Aug 2012 #374

Seriously? Is there any money in it now? No one told me about the 'bourgeoisie' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #330

Whatever you want to call it, sabrina dear, OP clearly demonstrates an attack by Occupy on Medicare patrice Aug 2012 #348

It must be me, maybe I just can't find it, but the OP never mentioned Occupy. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #349

Yes...with the Announcement of Paul Ryan as VP KoKo Aug 2012 #326

Just the fact that Ryan is a VP pick is truly frightening in itself. Bottom line is the R's think RKP5637 Aug 2012 #328

Goldwater tried the same thing Carroll Aug 2012 #329

It will go over even less well this time around. joshcryer Aug 2012 #346

DOOOMED! Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #333

Here's a prediction for us all: Watch Occupy scream bloody "Medicare Cuts" at any legitimate attempt patrice Aug 2012 #350

Please don't conflate WSWS propaganda with Occupy. joshcryer Aug 2012 #353

I am speaking from personal experience of an Occupy carrying this very same message. & Since patrice Aug 2012 #360

Want to know an interesting FACT Hutzpa Aug 2012 #366

They're laying the ground-work to attack Medicare Reform by calling it Medicare Cuts & associating patrice Aug 2012 #368

What I find fascinating is how can so many people buy Hutzpa Aug 2012 #373

Divide and conquer. They've mastered it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #405

+100000 SidDithers Aug 2012 #370

Sid...What is it about this thread that bothers you? KoKo Aug 2012 #378

I'm NOT Canadian, and I will tell you EXACTLY what it is that bothers me about this thread. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #384

Are you saying that people who want to ask questions KoKo Aug 2012 #387

I don't see any questions in the OP. In fact, I don't see a single question mark. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #392

That "Canadian" bullshit belongs back on OET. DevonRex Aug 2012 #407

I've heard of that place, I think. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #409

I heard they're selling doilies and antimacassars DevonRex Aug 2012 #424

Your post belongs in the "Creative Speculation" Forum emulatorloo Aug 2012 #379

There are a lot of posts in this thread that belong in the CS topic, but the OP is not one of them. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #404

It's a completely ridiculous OP. The pick of Ryan doesnt justify anything in the OP at all. nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #416

The pick of Ryan gives Democrats a golden opportunity to come out swinging with statements sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #418

Exactly! well put, thank you. dougolat Aug 2012 #433

"Obama's Secret Plan with The 1% to Choose Paul Ryan so Obama can implement The Ryan Budget" emulatorloo Aug 2012 #429

There are larger structures at work than political parties. sibelian Aug 2012 #431

So you believe the American people are being brainwashed by the Ryan VP Choice? emulatorloo Aug 2012 #434

Yes, more than probably. sibelian Aug 2012 #436

Or maybe you just aren't familiar with Woo's output. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #442

This has nothing to do with anything that I said. sibelian Aug 2012 #443

Lol, discussing issues belongs in the Creative Speculation forum now. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #413

OP is a conspiracy theory. Doesn't contain issues. Just whack speculation and fantasy emulatorloo Aug 2012 #430

Well, I know that's the talking point du jour, but it's a huge fail, like most talking points. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #432

Reread the OP emulatorloo Aug 2012 #435

You completely misunderstood the OP so now I understand why sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #440

stop putting words into my mouth. Call your Senators and Representatives emulatorloo Aug 2012 #441

No. That is not the case. sibelian Aug 2012 #437

No. A fifth rate VP pick from a fourth rate GOP prez candidate doesn't affect my world view stevenleser Aug 2012 #383

It's a hail mary pass and a desperate attempt to change the subject from his tax returns. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #385

They're doing everything they can to distance themselves... joshcryer Aug 2012 #408