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Reply to UTUSN (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 11:41 PM

Jul 2018

"Holiers".. so true.

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I am a "CENTRIST" Democrat, have been for 46 years, and am proud to be so! [View all] George II Jul 2018 OP

AKA to today's Republicans... a Socialist ck4829 Jul 2018 #1

I'll add that in my own 46 yrs I've seen Holiers (NADER, Greens, sweet idealists) sink us UTUSN Jul 2018 #2

I like that.. Cha Jul 2018 #7

This is confusing. theaocp Jul 2018 #21

When they vote against 'unpure democrats'. Yep. They do. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #123

So, what makes them integral? theaocp Jul 2018 #126

Wow. You come on DU and call someone disposable? GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #134

If that's how they're treated within the party, then I suppose so. theaocp Jul 2018 #138

Get real. We elect our leaders. There are no prizes for participating. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #141

What are you talking about? theaocp Jul 2018 #144

So let's replay this whole interaction GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #146

Okay, I'll give this a go. theaocp Jul 2018 #151

Now there is a word salad! GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #152

I feel it's not complex, nor deserving of such derision. theaocp Jul 2018 #153

Looks like you're not going to get any answers that make sense. Squinch Aug 2018 #159

Well, I do have to thank at least ONE "holier" from years back. Without Ross Perot running... George II Jul 2018 #150

K & R your post. Wwcd Jul 2018 #3

Good. So who are your favorite centrists? Sometimes when people are labeled as such they take JCanete Jul 2018 #4

Butting in here, *my* favorite centrists are FDR, HST, LBJ, BO. UTUSN Jul 2018 #5

hehe...so what makes somebody a centrist? If its not being so radical that you don't push an JCanete Jul 2018 #6

We Centrists are Left enough for anybody. UTUSN Jul 2018 #10

Except, maybe those that are actually left. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2018 #56

Of all the posts in this thread, what attracted you to mine? UTUSN Jul 2018 #88

Hint. You said "centrist". Bad word to some people on here. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #129

We can offset FDR's New Deal with, say, internment camps. Orsino Jul 2018 #18

Are you suggesting centrist Democrats would tolerate internment camps? Squinch Jul 2018 #33

They're working for the same changes, but they realize they may not all happen tomorrow. Squinch Jul 2018 #31

+++++++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #63

When things are going in the other direction for 40+ years, KPN Jul 2018 #66

Kay. I'm a woman. I totally disagree that things have all been going in the other direction for Squinch Jul 2018 #93

Kay. So economic justice isn't an important issue for you KPN Aug 2018 #154

Which nobody ever said, but I hear straw men make nice decorations. Squinch Aug 2018 #158

Right. Like nobody ever said that there hasn't been KPN Aug 2018 #161

Except the person who made the blanket statement that we have been Squinch Aug 2018 #162

We have on economic issues: labor, wages, KPN Aug 2018 #163

Gosh. You're right. I should have known I was supposed Squinch Aug 2018 #164

Oh? Let me guess. That i'm a male chauvinist? KPN Aug 2018 #173

Now you're just shadow boxing. Buh bye. Squinch Aug 2018 #197

Interestingly in the last 40 years: George II Jul 2018 #127

You make my point. KPN Aug 2018 #155

Is your point that you think both parties have been the same for the last 40 years? betsuni Aug 2018 #156

No I don't think the two parties have been the same over the past 40 years. KPN Aug 2018 #160

"influenced by corporate money that they are the same" betsuni Aug 2018 #188

Oops ... As an example, KPN Aug 2018 #192

That's what I call bleeding heart liberal wryter2000 Aug 2018 #226

Here's to *us*!1 And, whew, what a relief for a nice Reply. UTUSN Aug 2018 #228

I know what you mean about dreading to see a reply wryter2000 Aug 2018 #229

Radical Centrist Philosophy Marcuse Jul 2018 #8

I don't know what the Cha Jul 2018 #9

Must be hot sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #11

Saw another poster infer joe was an "asshole" in another thread BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #13

No. Not just venom. It is a terrible blot on his record. It does us no good to pretend otherwise. Squinch Jul 2018 #34

And it does us good to live in 1991? BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #37

Did anyone say their opinion was based solely on that? I must have missed that. Squinch Jul 2018 #39

No they said he's not a viable candidate for POTUS in '20, because too many women can't get behind bettyellen Jul 2018 #58

I don't think you're wrong. He seems to me like a well meaning person, Squinch Jul 2018 #82

People beat Hillary up over the Crime Bill, which was just a couple of years after Anita Hill EffieBlack Jul 2018 #49

And who is applying it. KPN Jul 2018 #67

You said it all right. Hortensis Jul 2018 #70

If Joe runs the videos of Joe attacking Anita Hill comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #50

That and his record being so very cozy w banks. I'm hoping for young blood myself. bettyellen Jul 2018 #59

yeah I bet you are BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #61

You've got me completely wrong, yet again. I don't support anyone who already ran for president or bettyellen Jul 2018 #62

Yes you are -- if my local Democratic Party organization KPN Jul 2018 #68

You've classified bettyellen as a bro? Squinch Jul 2018 #83

If it wasn't such divisive bullshit I'd laugh! bettyellen Jul 2018 #91

It is really funny! Squinch Jul 2018 #92

bettyellen is Not that person. Cha Jul 2018 #108

TAMMY DUCKWORTH! Squinch Jul 2018 #84

1991 called and wants its news back BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #60

So the past doesn't matter unless we are taling about the Clintons? comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #64

Divisive attacks on fellow DUers. Nice going there. bettyellen Jul 2018 #72

It's not hate. It's realism. He has a good deal of baggage - real baggage, not Squinch Jul 2018 #87

Right. We must have PERFECTION, dammit. RandomAccess Jul 2018 #111

No, nothing like perfection. But we probably shouldn't go with Squinch Jul 2018 #112

Then you'd also be against Hillary running again?? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #115

How did she do when she ran? She kicked ass. So the issue is not the same. Squinch Jul 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #119

Oh, just stop. Squinch Jul 2018 #120

Just for the record, Squinch Jul 2018 #148

I watched the hearings wryter2000 Aug 2018 #227

This! mcar Jul 2018 #35

I know.. the dead enders.. Cha Jul 2018 #137

++ nt heaven05 Jul 2018 #86

Well said! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #130

I'm with you. sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #12

Amen to that, George! demosincebirth Jul 2018 #14

Well said. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #15

Pragmatism ONLY works when all sides are pragmatic. If one side is not, pragmatists lose every time TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #16

And people who are unwilling to compromise will also lose dansolo Jul 2018 #17

True. But when you start form a position where you have nothing to barter, you've already lost. TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #25

Absolutely agree.... bunny planet Jul 2018 #29

Ditto. KPN Jul 2018 #69

Exactly. KPN Jul 2018 #71

That's fine. When it works Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #19

Oh brother. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #20

Could this be more simply stated as, "clap louder"? theaocp Jul 2018 #22

Enjoy dining on the pride and vanity. Mmmm... so tasty! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #23

Okay. Thanks for treating DU like Twitter. theaocp Jul 2018 #24

Wait...what? lapucelle Jul 2018 #41

. Squinch Jul 2018 #44

"Thanks for treating DU like Twitter." --- Umm, okay-y-y-y? You're welcome? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #101

If you are projecting... LanternWaste Aug 2018 #202

... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #215

All you have are insults, theaocp. Cha Aug 2018 #209

That tells me... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #212

Very much so. Cha Aug 2018 #213

Then you'll provide a valid means of achieving all stated Democratic goals this year, yes? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #204

I said nothing about "all or nothing" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #73

Doesn't matter. Your meaning was clear... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #75

I don't think you're stupid Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #80

"but that was a dumb interpretation of what I said" -- How charming. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #97

You call that an insult? Seriously Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #105

Again, Tom... I'm NOT as stupid as you're treating me. Stop it! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #165

I didn't choose the adjective "dumb" for the reasons you think Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #171

I was "triggered by word association...because I enjoy crafting word play lapucelle Aug 2018 #186

I did write that I didn't think NJ was stipid. On two posts Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #196

+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #172

Look what Tom Rinaldo decided to message me: ehrnst Aug 2018 #174

I'm fine in the kitchen Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #176

The "foolish assumption" on your part was not that I ehrnst Aug 2018 #177

You read too much into what I said Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #178

" through PM where you wouldn't run the risk of running afoul of any any DU rules. " ehrnst Aug 2018 #180

P.S. Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #179

I think you were trying to avoid being alerted by PM'ing me. ehrnst Aug 2018 #181

I know you are wrong but you are free to believe that I am lying to you. Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #182

Great post NJ Gothmog Aug 2018 #175

Ms. NurseJackie. You hit the nail on the head with your astute Bernie pickup GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #132

Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #135

Strange isn't it? I've lately noticed I'll post one thing and someone Autumn Jul 2018 #121

That's why I always proofread and spell-check. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #166

Yep I see you do that. Autumn Aug 2018 #167

Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2018 #36

So "centrists" are merely "less extreme rightists" at this point in the discourse? lapucelle Jul 2018 #42

The shifts I have been concerned about deal with issues such as the respective roles Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #74

I would recommend that anyone concerned about such "shifts" lapucelle Jul 2018 #76

It was a good platform Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #81

That it was, and that they did. lapucelle Jul 2018 #89

Your caveat makes the point that democracy REQUIRES Hortensis Jul 2018 #85

Lest it be forgot, the far left California presidential candidate in 2012 was . . . ucrdem Jul 2018 #26

The farther one moves from the center, the higher the level of narcissism IMO. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #27

Boom! True! This! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #38

And the further one is on the fringes of the spectrum, lapucelle Jul 2018 #40

MLK said about the centrist: Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #28

A great human being, Rev. King. saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #54

That's what I thought of too. /nt tonedevil Jul 2018 #103

I think I actually looked up this image today, too. theaocp Jul 2018 #140

Given the mobility of the center Harker Jul 2018 #30

Yes I have. The "center" is only a vague description of the majority of Americans and... George II Jul 2018 #45

Thanks! Harker Jul 2018 #46

I consider myself a liberal Democrat mcar Jul 2018 #32

With you. Skidmore Jul 2018 #53

What does that even mean? progressoid Jul 2018 #43

I see a lot in Chicago. They are the old Reagan Democrats. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #57

I rarely talk politics with clients but after a few years one started to bring up the subject progressoid Jul 2018 #77

Reagan Democrats? I find that very very offensive. Carry on, carry on. George II Jul 2018 #94

Agreed. It's just as offensive as that divisive sig-line cartoon... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #98

Some seem to like scouring the internet to find offensive and/or violent graphics... George II Jul 2018 #99

It's argument from an atypical sample, a fairly common flaw in reasoning. lapucelle Jul 2018 #124

I caught that too mcar Jul 2018 #125

#metoo JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #184

Yes, you've "done your time" and walked the walk, rather than simply being a keyboard Democrat.... George II Aug 2018 #206

Amen! MountCleaners Jul 2018 #96

Oh you Poor Thing.. ALL you have are INSULTS In your SIG LINE Cha Jul 2018 #104

Why are the donkeys wearing Hillary buttons? This is 2018. lapucelle Jul 2018 #106

Exactly, lapucelle! The only reason to draw something like that Cha Jul 2018 #109

I see a lot of rabid "anti-centrists" around ehrnst Aug 2018 #183

I'm sure you'll pretend your sample is valid. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #205

name some policy positions that you represent/support as a centrist bigtree Jul 2018 #47

You can start here: George II Jul 2018 #95

Bazinga! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #122

that's a predictable deflection bigtree Jul 2018 #131

That chart is exactly my point - if you add up the % of all those who consider themselves.... George II Jul 2018 #139

just tell us what issues you support bigtree Jul 2018 #145

Let's see now, how about Russia sanctions? Sure if I was in the Senate at the time... George II Jul 2018 #147

I didn't think you'd be straight with me bigtree Aug 2018 #170

I don't make policy, but I support Democratic candidates and office holders.... George II Aug 2018 #207

we know the role of centrist legislators in our party bigtree Aug 2018 #216

Absolutely. Well said! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #218

Damn Bigtree, you are not playing games! Lordquinton Aug 2018 #219

THIS! and it should be its own OP (nt) NeoGreen Aug 2018 #230

Uh, wut? progressoid Aug 2018 #157

Uh, wut? George II Aug 2018 #169

When asked to name some policy positions that you represent/support as a centrist, you said to start progressoid Aug 2018 #194

"So everything in the platform is centrist?" Illogical projection. No, but I agree with.... George II Aug 2018 #211

You agree with just about everything in the platform, center/left/far left. progressoid Aug 2018 #220

Whatev' George II Aug 2018 #221

Hahaha. So your proud declaration and this entire thread was meaningless. progressoid Aug 2018 #222

No, but your attempt at boiling it down to black/white, up/down, left/right, etc. is. George II Aug 2018 #223

No boil down. Just trying to understand "What does that even mean?" progressoid Aug 2018 #224

Thanks for the reminder to update my signature George II Aug 2018 #225

Your butt's not sore from setting on that fence all these years? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #48

What? mcar Jul 2018 #128

I live in Texas and I am good and proud democrat Gothmog Jul 2018 #51

I am left-center. Been there since high school. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #52

The center has shifted a lot in 46 years. CrispyQ Jul 2018 #55

Yep. That's been going on for a long time. progressoid Jul 2018 #78

If Obama were just an icon, wouldn't he be wearing a donkey button lapucelle Jul 2018 #107

That's why it's best to rely on detailed, criteria-based empirical evidence lapucelle Jul 2018 #110

I love these things! Squinch Jul 2018 #113

I learned about the website OnTheIssues.org from a highschool social studies teacher lapucelle Jul 2018 #117

How do you define centrist? Labels without KPN Jul 2018 #65

Center, Left, all the way left. You are a Democrat and no distinct should need to be made. Afromania Jul 2018 #79

Amen! Thank you. George II Jul 2018 #100

BINGO!!! What the hell does it matter as long as they vote Dem????? tonyt53 Jul 2018 #136

I used to call myself a left of center Democrat. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #90

I personally believe in facts, data, and history.... vi5 Jul 2018 #102

No one is "peppering our goals with bits and pieces of the other side." Squinch Jul 2018 #118

I am impressed KentuckyWoman Jul 2018 #114

I, on the other hand, am a RADICAL LEFTIST! dchill Jul 2018 #133

I hate to break it to you, but ehrnst Aug 2018 #185

"when it comes to the GOP platform..." dchill Aug 2018 #187

Any centrist Democrat is a "radical leftist" when it comes to the GOP. ehrnst Aug 2018 #189

Relative. To a person making $8.50 an hour... dchill Aug 2018 #190

That's what "accessible" and "affordable" means. ehrnst Aug 2018 #191

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #142

"But I'm sure that's all the fault of the people that haven't been running the party." betsuni Jul 2018 #149

I'm far left in theory.. left of center voting because I'm realistic nini Jul 2018 #143

Well said. Adrahil Aug 2018 #214

Bold Position! RandiFan1290 Aug 2018 #168

Not me, I am as far left as you can get, I am however also not a complete idiot Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #193

Perfect! What Eliot said! Squinch Aug 2018 #198

We are in the same page exactly nt Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #203

Hi, first time poster, long time lurker! PrairieBlueCat Aug 2018 #195

+1,000,000 George II Aug 2018 #199

Doug Jones. PrairieBlueCat Aug 2018 #200

One thing I've been saying for months (started during the Conor Lamb "impure" campaign)... George II Aug 2018 #201

Are you a Canadian???? nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #208

I was born in NYC and have lived my entire 70 years (except for 6 mos. in Ohio) in NY, NJ, and CT. George II Aug 2018 #210

Then why the Canadian flag icon? nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #231

So, did "centrist Democrat" mean the same thing 46 years ago, or have you changed your positions? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #217