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In reply to the discussion: Obama vs. Sanders... [View all]lapucelle
(18,275 posts)119. HL Menken cautioned, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
It is dangerous to impose criteria that was absent in the poll design and then reach conclusions on matters that were not measured by the questions or reflected in the data.
"But again, this poll does not succesfully [sic] demonstrate that the issues at hand here are issues of....issues, policy or party direction, especially given that there's another YouGov poll that says quite the opposite."
In what way does the July 8 poll speak more or less to "direction" and/or "issues" than the July 25 poll? How does the earlier poll say "quite the opposite" of the July 25 poll when they are not asking about the same set of politicians?
The most solid conclusion concerning this question set from either poll is that respondents preferred Obama-like congressional candidates to Sanders-like congressional candidates for some reason. If pollsters are interested in discovering the reason, they need to do a follow-up. Both casual and expert readers need to employ caution when looking at the data and especially avoid reaching the type of categorical conclusions that a word like "opposite" suggests.
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Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like.
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#72
Actually the conservatives are saying they want the Democrats to run someone like Sanders
oberliner
Jul 2018
#74
Then the presumption would also be that liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#81
If you were asked, would you prefer the Republicans run a candidate who is Trump-like or Bush-like..
oberliner
Jul 2018
#84
If the question were, "Do you prefer a Trump-like candidate or a Bush-like candidate"
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#91
It could be that given a choice of two "Democrats" (one Democrat, one Independent)....
George II
Jul 2018
#88
"Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like"
George II
Jul 2018
#125
But the "not sure" is almost double of either, showing the relative involvement of "Independents".
George II
Jul 2018
#87
Obama is a uniquely exceptional individual who is beloved for all kinds of justified reasons in
JCanete
Jul 2018
#11
The power of the one percent, which extends across party identity is a big fucking deal. Sorry you
JCanete
Jul 2018
#42
how is he wrong about money's influence in politics? About its stranglehold on so much of our
JCanete
Jul 2018
#46
Bernie's Our Revolution is a 501c4, which is not required to disclose its donors.
emulatorloo
Jul 2018
#94
The "other poll" says that people prefer candidates like BS over candidates like Trump.
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#71
As far as I can tell that isn't how those two questions interact. The results wouldn't even make
JCanete
Jul 2018
#98
"Sanders and his direction IS appreciated by democrats.....", but not all Democrats or, given...
George II
Jul 2018
#86
where do we know that from? What are you citing? The binary poll of Obama vs Sanders? That
JCanete
Jul 2018
#101
That isn't how the questions were laid out in the prefer sanders poll. It wasn't "Trump"or Sanders"
JCanete
Jul 2018
#111
Well that's what he could get done with his own party. He had an option to try to use the
JCanete
Jul 2018
#41
money bullies people into policies...so yeah, we need to counter-balance that. Support our
JCanete
Jul 2018
#129
where do you see that question phrased the way you state? 86 and 87 don't exist the way you
JCanete
Jul 2018
#100
I didn't say one refutes the other. I said that the poll in the op is not about the direction of the
JCanete
Jul 2018
#118
I agree with you, I also drew some conclusions that weren't warranted. I do think the former poll,
JCanete
Jul 2018
#132
At a townhall following the election, he downplayed the role of racism to an even greater extent.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#29
To be honest, not directed toward you, that's a really stupid question. I never could understand...
George II
Jul 2018
#85
ya know, i bet if we looked around a bit, we could find a candidate who does both
0rganism
Jul 2018
#93
I'd like for the candidates to have Legitimate President Obama's charisma.
BlueTsunami2018
Jul 2018
#128