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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. Virginia struggles to score
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 12:27 AM
Mar 2018

I am a Canes season ticket holder so I see Virginia every year. It is a very tenacious defensive team but I've always believed if any type of team is vulnerable to a huge upset it is one that simply can't score. Last season Virginia collapsed late in the season due to the same problem. I think they were also upset in the first round. This year's team was not nearly as offensively challenged but it's not the type of issue you can completely overcome in one season.

Remember that Georgetown in 1989 nearly lost to Princeton for the same reason -- low scoring game and inability to score. It took a last second blocked shot to survive the upset.

Higher scoring top seeded teams have many more possessions, and therefore greater likelihood that the manpower advantage plays out.

Nate Silver had an article about this a year or so ago. Basically it was that the #16 seeds were overdue for a win, based on the mathematical odds. He was he wouldn't necessarily predict an upset within the next year or two but it definitely should happen within the next decade.

For reference purposes, Virginia was a 20.5 point favorite. I lived in Las Vegas and bet sports for 25 years. Normally the #1 seeds were favored between 28 and 36 points. I remember examples in the 40s, like Duke one season favored by 46 points in the opener.

Once the favoritism drops to 20 points, that is an entirely different realm of likelihood. It is not linear. The theoretical opportunity soars. It is more like a regular season game, which often feature spreads in the 20 range.

A 20 point favorite is more like the #2 seeds always used to be. Some of them have lost. In recent years there has been less imbalance and the #1 seeds are seldom favored by 30+ anymore.

BTW, I remember the women's game when Harvard upset Stanford as 16 seed. I watched it throughout. Stanford opened as 28.5 point favorite and was bet up to -31.

R you kidding me? UMBC! [View all] Botany Mar 2018 OP
Don't know what you're talking about... Laffy Kat Mar 2018 #1
Your post made me smile backtoblue Mar 2018 #2
Oh, I wondered about that. Laffy Kat Mar 2018 #5
UMBC beat Virginia in the NCAA. First time ever a 16 seed beat the Number One seed. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Mar 2018 #4
And so the picture of the dog............ Maraya1969 Mar 2018 #19
UMBC Retrievers...nt SidDithers Mar 2018 #21
It would help if someone explained what UMBC stands for. brush Mar 2018 #30
University of Maryland Baltimore County. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #31
Finally, and thanks. I even watched ESPN reports on them beating Virginia but everyone used... brush Mar 2018 #32
Exactly. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #34
At least you have a favorite still in. My school, Arizona, got bounced in almost as bad an upset. brush Mar 2018 #35
It's been my good fortune to attend PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #36
Lowest Ranked Team in NCAA Basketball Tournament Beat Highest Ranked Team Stallion Mar 2018 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Mar 2018 #16
UMBC beat Virginia in men's basketball. UMBC team is called Retrievers shenmue Mar 2018 #12
The school's mascot is a Retriever. UMBC Retrievers. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #25
Historic! kentuck Mar 2018 #3
Lyles couldnt miss. On a deadball he just threw one up and it barely touched the net underpants Mar 2018 #6
This is one of those years where any team could win the National Championship. kentuck Mar 2018 #7
Thats true underpants Mar 2018 #8
University of Maryland Baltimore County beat top team Virginia in March Madness wishstar Mar 2018 #10
Holy shit! B'more could always use some good news. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2018 #11
UMBC is my school! OliverQ Mar 2018 #13
Ruff night for UVA! NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #14
UVA lost its star player to injury, announced Ilsa Mar 2018 #15
UMBC is coached by Ryan Odom oswaldactedalone Mar 2018 #17
Virginia struggles to score Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #18
A couple of great quips! Staph Mar 2018 #20
University of a Million Brackets Crushed!... SidDithers Mar 2018 #22
LOL...nice! Iggo Mar 2018 #24
Good looking dog TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #23
The school's mascot is a Retriever. UMBC Retrievers. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #26
UMBC "Retrievers" beat UVA--16th seed took out #1 seed nt shanny Mar 2018 #27
Beautiful Chessie MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #28
I went to UMAB iamateacher Mar 2018 #29
UMBC - U Must Be Cinderella. TomSlick Mar 2018 #33
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