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moriah

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24. I'll be blunt here. When the GOP unites their caucus, a bill will be passed.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 08:42 PM
Jan 2018

We wouldn't have any other choice -- we WOULD be seen as holding the government hostage.

Instead, at least so far, they couldn't get 5 of their own to agree to the bill they authored. Were 10 other Democrats besides the five that did already supposed to vote for a bad bill when the GOP itself was divided? Are we jellyfish? If it'd been a good bill with far-RW holdouts only, yeah, we probably would have gotten together that 15. But that's not what this was.

We tried to immediately add the language from the 2013 shutdown so it didn't affect the military, and McConnell shot it down.

The fact we still don't have a full budget and have to do continuing funding resolutions is bad enough. They focused so hard on their tax bill that they neglected to figure out a way to pay the bills for the government.

Until they get their caucus together, though, it's insanity to accuse *us* of obstruction. Yeah, it might be scary what actually does get them together, and if a good bill comes through that just libertarians like Rand Paul who hate government entirely vote against, we will probably take it and make it happen.

But listen to the part of Tammy Duckworth's floor speech after her zingers. Most of the proposals are Republican-authored and the Republicans themselves still can't agree. We're the ones Ryan has stongarmed by vigorously using the Hastert Rule. Not them. We're the ones trying to keep our troops from feeling anxiety, and the GOP and Trump are instead trying to weaponize support for already beleaguered troops who just might have to deal with a war this buffoon creates.

Tell us we're being the obstructionist party when they get their own side together.

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I appreciate what you are saying but I respectfully don't agree. chowder66 Jan 2018 #1
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I hear you and I do agree with you on this. chowder66 Jan 2018 #25
Say hi to President Kelly ... GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #2
I'm tempted to say, "Enjoy your stay." Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #3
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Perhaps you are not aware of the significance of that statement... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #19
If not now, when? rurallib Jan 2018 #4
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And your suggestion is we cave and allow a million dreamers to be deported...a betrayal that Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #29
"...it is the Democrats that are causing the shutdown..." MineralMan Jan 2018 #5
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I don't buy that and guess what. we support congressional Democrats...and Trump and the GOP are Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #30
Bullshit. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #6
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When they do the right thing as you say treestar Jan 2018 #7
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I see a thinly-veiled "Both sides do it." Cary Jan 2018 #8
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This is Civil War II, the high road is closed. VOX Jan 2018 #9
YOU'RE WRONG. The Republicans, with only 46 votes, didn't even have a simple majority. pnwmom Jan 2018 #10
To hell with the republicans. pressbox69 Jan 2018 #16
Cant disagree more Worktodo Jan 2018 #20
Fuck that bullshit JI7 Jan 2018 #21
This is ALL republican mercuryblues Jan 2018 #22
Nice try russkie. trof Jan 2018 #23
I'll be blunt here. When the GOP unites their caucus, a bill will be passed. moriah Jan 2018 #24
No we stand on principle and never give in. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #28
Makes me so INOIYAAD! eleny Jan 2018 #26
Don't agree...time to stop the GOP from walking all over us. Dreamers need our support or they will Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #27
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