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In reply to the discussion: (THREAD) BREAKING - The NYT has published a bombshell report on George Papadopoulos [View all]BumRushDaShow
(129,053 posts)85. Sorry but
this argument doesn't fly -
The fact that we havent heard of dozens of new IRS and FBI investigators requesting office space, moving into the Trump Organizations offices, and requesting copies of all their records is a solid indication this is not happening. Theres no way that kind of investigation could be kept secret.
The government (both NY state and the feds) has records about Drumpf and his family going back at least 4 decades and info has already been provided as the agencies have been working together since the original FBI investigation back a year ago before Mueller was named, and has recently obtained records from Drumpf "associates" (my term) -
IRS Gives Trump Staff Financials to Mueller's Russia Investigation
By John Patrick Pullen September 26, 2017
The IRS has given Special Counsel Robert Mueller financial information for members of the Trump presidential campaign and administration. The documents may include tax returns and supporting information such as real estate or banking records, reports CNN.
The disclosure of the IRSs cooperation with the special counsel investigation comes after it was recently revealed that Muellers investigators have locked in on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has extensive financial ties to Russia, and even allegedly offered to privately brief a friend of Putins in July 2016.
Its not clear exactly whose records the special counsel was given, reports CNN, which notes that IRS Criminal Investigation agents have been working alongside the FBI on a Manafort probe since before the election. They are also sharing information on former Trump administration national security advisor Michael Flynn with Muellers team. Flynns finances have raised suspicions after it was revealed he received money from Russian interests before the campaign.
CNN also notes that the special counsel investigators may have requested President Trumps tax returns, but if they did the request would have likely needed to be signed off on by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Normally that approval would be the responsibility of the attorney general, but Jeff Sessions has recused himself from the investigation over the role he played in the 2016 presidential election.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/26/irs-trump-mueller-russia/
By John Patrick Pullen September 26, 2017
The IRS has given Special Counsel Robert Mueller financial information for members of the Trump presidential campaign and administration. The documents may include tax returns and supporting information such as real estate or banking records, reports CNN.
The disclosure of the IRSs cooperation with the special counsel investigation comes after it was recently revealed that Muellers investigators have locked in on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has extensive financial ties to Russia, and even allegedly offered to privately brief a friend of Putins in July 2016.
Its not clear exactly whose records the special counsel was given, reports CNN, which notes that IRS Criminal Investigation agents have been working alongside the FBI on a Manafort probe since before the election. They are also sharing information on former Trump administration national security advisor Michael Flynn with Muellers team. Flynns finances have raised suspicions after it was revealed he received money from Russian interests before the campaign.
CNN also notes that the special counsel investigators may have requested President Trumps tax returns, but if they did the request would have likely needed to be signed off on by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Normally that approval would be the responsibility of the attorney general, but Jeff Sessions has recused himself from the investigation over the role he played in the 2016 presidential election.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/26/irs-trump-mueller-russia/
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Like a U.S. attorneys office, Mueller has the power to reach across Justice, the FBI and other federal departments to solicit issue experts on everything from cybersecurity to counterintelligence. Hes getting help from financial record and tax specialists at the Treasury Department and IRS, as evidenced by the indictment charging Manafort and Gates with 12 criminal counts, including money laundering and failing to disclose overseas bank accounts.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/robert-mueller-russia-probe-organization-244789
Like a U.S. attorneys office, Mueller has the power to reach across Justice, the FBI and other federal departments to solicit issue experts on everything from cybersecurity to counterintelligence. Hes getting help from financial record and tax specialists at the Treasury Department and IRS, as evidenced by the indictment charging Manafort and Gates with 12 criminal counts, including money laundering and failing to disclose overseas bank accounts.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/robert-mueller-russia-probe-organization-244789
Staff listing as of 9/29/17
Your argument is basically suggesting that they are wrapping it up but he is just getting started. There is a pretty obvious strategy going on as the noose tightens and more "unknown" folks suddenly bubble in and provide info that doesn't make the news until other shoes suddenly drop and hit the airwaves.
Keep an eye on NY AG Schniederman (and Preet Bharara who works for him now) -
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How far Mr. Schneiderman is willing to go in taking on Mr. Trump could define his political career, particularly in a blue state where disapproval of the president is high. The potential of the attorney generals office for troublemaking and generating national headlines was redefined in the early 2000s by Eliot Spitzer. Mr. Schneiderman is a less combative man who was often the target of Mr. Trumps Twitter wrath amid a three-year civil investigation into Trump University. In the end, Mr. Schneidermans office extracted a $25 million settlement in the case.
Nonetheless, Mr. Schneiderman is seen by some as a possible backstop should the president exercise his pardon power to help those who might become ensnared in the investigation of possible Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election being led by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. Federal pardons do not apply to violations of state law.
In the interview, Mr. Schneiderman would say little about his potential role as a criminal prosecutor in relation to the Trump administration, except that he hoped it would not come to that. Earlier this year, Mr. Schneiderman began a criminal inquiry focused on allegations of money laundering by Paul Manafort, Mr. Trumps former campaign chairman. But his office stood down, at least temporarily, out of deference to the special counsels inquiry; the offices did not work together, his staff said.
I have a lot of respect for the work the special counsels doing, he said. Theyve put together a terrific team. He added: Just watching it from the outside, like everybody else, it seems like theyre doing a very thorough and serious job. I hope theres not going to be any effort to derail them or shut them down. If that happens, well do as I think would be a genuine sentiment around the country well do whatever we can do to see that justice is done. But I hope we dont have to face a problem like that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/nyregion/eric-schneiderman-attorney-general-new-york.html
How far Mr. Schneiderman is willing to go in taking on Mr. Trump could define his political career, particularly in a blue state where disapproval of the president is high. The potential of the attorney generals office for troublemaking and generating national headlines was redefined in the early 2000s by Eliot Spitzer. Mr. Schneiderman is a less combative man who was often the target of Mr. Trumps Twitter wrath amid a three-year civil investigation into Trump University. In the end, Mr. Schneidermans office extracted a $25 million settlement in the case.
Nonetheless, Mr. Schneiderman is seen by some as a possible backstop should the president exercise his pardon power to help those who might become ensnared in the investigation of possible Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election being led by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. Federal pardons do not apply to violations of state law.
In the interview, Mr. Schneiderman would say little about his potential role as a criminal prosecutor in relation to the Trump administration, except that he hoped it would not come to that. Earlier this year, Mr. Schneiderman began a criminal inquiry focused on allegations of money laundering by Paul Manafort, Mr. Trumps former campaign chairman. But his office stood down, at least temporarily, out of deference to the special counsels inquiry; the offices did not work together, his staff said.
I have a lot of respect for the work the special counsels doing, he said. Theyve put together a terrific team. He added: Just watching it from the outside, like everybody else, it seems like theyre doing a very thorough and serious job. I hope theres not going to be any effort to derail them or shut them down. If that happens, well do as I think would be a genuine sentiment around the country well do whatever we can do to see that justice is done. But I hope we dont have to face a problem like that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/nyregion/eric-schneiderman-attorney-general-new-york.html
I expect that the main focus on Drumpf himself is obstruction of justice, but the financials (including those from his family) are leading to the other crimes and teasing out/revealing those "crimes" can provide a "motive" for any "collusion" and what could amount to "influence peddling".
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(THREAD) BREAKING - The NYT has published a bombshell report on George Papadopoulos [View all]
bathroommonkey76
Dec 2017
OP
I also believe the high-ranking republican elected pols were in on this, too!
TheDebbieDee
Dec 2017
#2
#TrumpRussia 50 tweet MEGA-THREAD by Seth -- history's most explosive intel dossier .....
L. Coyote
Dec 2017
#81
Wow, thanks for sharing this excellent synopsis, really pulls the whole picture together.
lark
Jan 2018
#103
Hearings will happen, meanwhile there is a deference to Mueller's investigation and its integrity.
L. Coyote
Jan 2018
#104
Trump is a principal in the conspiracy of Aiding & Abetting Computer Crimes; can be charged with it.
NBachers
Dec 2017
#3
I looked it up and a member of the Supreme Court can be impeached. If it can be proved
Maraya1969
Dec 2017
#33
The end of the GOP would be another alternative / add-on. But I'm with you.
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2017
#44
why not link to the NYT article instead of giving this guy so much free self promotion?
msongs
Dec 2017
#12
Sorry to disappoint, but this has been all over DU and the internet since at least this morning.
George II
Dec 2017
#29
Starting to detect a pattern ... when Two Scoops goes too far off the rails with his bullshit ...
mr_lebowski
Dec 2017
#32
Yes, NYT always checks it stories with principals, so Gang get alerted & go ape (in tRump's case) nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2017
#36
Thank you for posting it all; it's a gadawful thing to have to do (hard enough to read). . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2017
#34
RW line today was that Sen Lindsey Graham had "confirmed" that the Steele
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2017
#37
abramson is trying to inform the public so no one can cover all this up
questionseverything
Dec 2017
#88
They need significantly more than just tax records to prove a money laundering case.
Calista241
Dec 2017
#87
"improved Russia relations" is only one of tons of quid pro quo's that could be established no? tia
uponit7771
Dec 2017
#100
Yes, must be. But his NYT leaker got confused / upstaged by the tRump interview.
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2017
#41