woo me with science
woo me with science's JournalLOL. Way to ignore the point.
Lots of crowds....a landslide, even...when he was promising to do all those things.
Nope. No crowds now that he has continued, entrenched, and expanded the Bush agenda for six years. What part of "Given the choice between a real Republican and a fake one, people will choose the real one every time" is difficult to understand?
People don't like being lied to. They resent being played. And even when they know both choices are corrupted by corporate money and working against them, they will oscillate between them in an attempt to send a protest message when they feel trapped.
It's not rocket science....Unless you really *would* like to try to explain how nobody noticed he was black until after that day.
Yeah, nobody noticed he was black until after this:
Funny how everyone turned out when he was promising to rein in the surveillance security state, stand up for the 99 percent and force banks to help homeowners, put on his walking shoes for unions, and not sign anything that didn't include a public option.
Actual liberals don't take vile, unwarranted smears of racism lightly
or use them as tools for a political agenda.
There are advantages to trying to stoke emotion and hurl every smear in the book, like you just did in that frothy paragraph, aren't there? Throwing everything at once reduces the chance that you will be called upon to defend *any* of it.
For example, if you tried to attack me *only* by claiming I say Republicans and Democrats are exactly alike, you already know (if you are telling the truth about being so familiar with my posts...) that I would embarrass you by citing all my posts saying just the opposite - in fact, describing in detail how the parties are careful to disagree especially on issues not important to the One Percent and how differences between the parties even on issues important to the One Percent are *used* by corporatists to enact a "lesser of two evils" con game on the electorate.
But you know something? Dangerous as it would be for you to focus on just one bogus attack, it's just as dangerous, and it turns out even more so, to try to hide disingenuous attacks among even more vile, slimy, and disingenuous smears.
Why? Because if you are called upon to defend ugly, unwarranted smears of racism aimed at other DUers and can't, you end up looking like an ethically challenged PR smearmonger instead of the passionate voter you are trying to appear to be.
So I'm going to ask you defend your smears here, particularly the bolded part of this vile sentence you wrote:
I'm sure there's some granola crunch nutbag Green candidate you can go vote for somewhere, who thinks Obama is "articulate"dog whistle) but just a puppet, maaaaaaaan".
Let me cut that down to the particularly ugly smeary part:I'm sure there's some...candidate you can go vote for...who thinks Obama is "articulate" (dog whistle)
Forget the incidental smearing of all Greens that you use as an oily buffer to feign distance from your attempt to smear me personally. That's ugly enough in itself. But what I want to know is this:
[font size=3]What basis do you have to make that vile accusation about me? Please explain to me and the community how you get off trying to publicly suggest that I would prefer a racist candidate.[/font size]
Please be specific.
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Indeed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5237529
Government Authority Intended for Terrorism is Used for Other Purposes
Government Authority Intended for Terrorism is Used for Other Purposes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025721614
Drug arrests are needed to keep the lucrative private prisons full. Even if it means spying on Americans and constructing false chains of evidence to arrest them.
Fascism has come to America.
If you want to grasp how deeply and perversely warped by punitive authoritarian propaganda
this nation has become...
...just consider that we now find ourselves (in a deeply politically corrupted nation that already imprisons - increasingly for PROFIT - more people than any other nation in the world) .... at a place of "debating" and humoring arguments...
...about whether it's a good idea to throw people in JAIL for not mowing their lawns.
Good god. Dog help us. I'm reminded of that jaw-dropping thread about a year ago when familiar authoritarian voices here were fervently advocating jailing people who toss a cigarette butt in the gutter. Yes, that was a real "discussion," too.
How does authoritarianism happen? Bit by bit, step by step, through changing people's thinking and gradually shifting what they perceive as normal and acceptable in terms of government use of punishment, its scope and purview. In corporate propaganda and the inevitable parroting of its poison, we are steadily acclimated to the idea of police state-style tactics of dealing with citizens, down to the most mundane matters. We are constantly invited to discuss, in utter seriousness and with great respect for the opposing arguments....expansions of our government's use of one of its most extreme powers:
[font size=2]the power, literally, to take our freedom, pull us out of our lives and families, and LOCK US IN A BOX.[/font size]
Now it's for not mowing your lawn.
Think about that. Think about what that really means, and what kind of society you are asking for when you even humor these "arguments" justifying this garbage. We do not entertain "serious" and "rational" debates about the pros and cons of killing and eating small children. Yet every time we hear of an American being locked up for a new reason that would have left our grandparents open-mouthed, there are serene authoritarian voices inviting us to "discuss" it, to see both sides...to normalize it.
And this sick way of thinking now darkens, pervades, and pollutes conversations ranging from whether we really need our fundamental Constitutional rights and protections to how we should deal with the crabgrass down the road.
It is a *way of thinking,* and it is being bred and nurtured in us. And it is sick and perverse, no matter how much the oh-so-reasonable voices will assure you that it isn't. No, the observation that unmowed and untended lawns make neighborhoods look ugly does not (in any sane society) lead rationally to the conclusion that failing to mow a lawn therefore justifies locking up human beings.
The truth is that lots of other more enlightened countries don't do this. Their citizens don't automatically think this way. They don't view every civil nuisance and disagreement, every problem that arises in a civil context, as a trigger to call in the government to criminalize it, to punish, to lock someone up. They handle these things in other ways.
We are taught not even to conceive of other possible ways. Ways like engaging community to solve the problem, or even reconsidering how we are interpreting a "problem."
It doesn't have to be this way. Slow introduction of authoritarian thinking...that what we dislike ought therefore to be punished...is how a police state is slowly normalized.
I am really starting to think at this point that we need a live streaming feed of how people in, say, Norway or Sweden talk about problems like this. We need something to give this nation some perspective, to help us step out of this sick propaganda matrix, the FOX News, MSM, punitive daily messaging we marinate in...to see how perverse this thinking really is.
This shouldn't even be a discussion, folks. Reject the authoritarian voices. Watch the patterns, and reject the propaganda.
+1000000 It's revolting,
and reaches surrealism as the corporatist faction here spews accusations that *liberals* are trying to depress turnout by talking about the policies/representation we expect from Democrats.
The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever, until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies.
Third Way argle blargle. I'm gonna get whiplash
from the Third Way telling us first that liberals are "fringe" and irrelevant, but then that we are so powerful that a critical post *on a political discussion board* is going to sink the election.
Corporatists really need to start having their talking point meetings all together in the same room.
The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever...until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies.
I presume you have contacted the DCCC about this garbage?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826
I'm going to get whiplash
from the Third Way telling us first that liberals are "fringe" and irrelevant, but then that we are so powerful that a critical post on a POLITICAL DISCUSSION BOARD is going to sink the election.
Corporatists really need to start having their talking point meetings all together in the same room.
The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever, until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies.
I presume you have contacted the DCCC about this garbage?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826
Worth remembering here within the swarm of corporate PR
trying to redefine patriotism as shutting up or restricting ourselves to obedient adulatory praise.
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