Neat idea, but she just simply doesn't seem to want it.

At least so far, anyway. Hey, I like her, too. But everything I've seen from her suggests she's just not aiming her goals that way.

With all due respect, it wouldn't be so rough around here if some Bernie fans DID "ask for these

things made worse through bad policy to be fixed." I WISH that was all some here were doing! "ASKING for these things." NOT bellowing, yowling, threatening, overpowering, monopolizing, intimidating, insulting, and insinuating insults. Then it'd still be civil around DU. But the brickbats and insults and snark and avalanche of Hillary-sucks/I-won't-vote-for-Hillary-even-if-she's-the-nominee/I-hate-Hillary/Hillary-can't-be-trusted/Hillary-is-this/Hillary-is-that/don't-tell-me-I-have-to-vote-for-Hillary-just-because-I'm-female...etc etc etc etc etc etc... Frankly, I'm at the point where I strongly suspect there are mischief-makers and trolls from the other side of the aisle who are doing everything they can, in every way they can, to drive a big wedge into us and divide us and sow lots of animosity and other negativity. The opposition is VERY skilled, VERY sneaky, and VERY good at this type of thing.

It's Snark Week every week around here, anymore. The increasingly virulent gang-bang around here for Bernie is rather suffocating, and it's not us Hillary people who are pushing it and force-feeding it to all DUers here. ANY quick glance at the home page would strongly suggest that this is Bernie Sanders Underground because almost every post is about how wonderful he is and Hillary sucks, or about Hillary sucks and how wonderful Bernie is.

Go ahead and crowd us out if you have to. I sense that some Bernie people do want that. Because their heavy-handed non-stop force-feeding is actually driving some of us away - both from DU AND from coming around to supporting Bernie Sanders. The efforts here hover dangerously close to being counter-productive. MANY of us on the Hillary side have already vowed that we'll vote for him if he's the nominee. Conversely, I see precious few from the Bernie camp who are willing to stand by a similar promise. Which I find dreadfully disappointing. And I fear that such intransigence will alienate some of us on the Hillary side that - if Bernie DOES become the nominee, some of US might have been driven permanently away, too.

Welcome to DU, DownriverDem!

Good to have you with us! VERY contentious around here and sometimes we Hillary people (who are in the minority here) dare to stick our necks out and then get our heads chopped off. Be STRONG my friend! We're here, and we have your back! I agree with you completely and I'm voting for her in the primaries. But if Bernie winds up getting the nomination, then I'll vote for him. Unfortunately, there are more than a few in his camp who insist they'll do no such thing.

But then again, many are those who would cut off their own noses to spite everyone else's faces.

Welcome to DU, uwep!

Glad you're here. Fascinating, isn't it? You'd think she was the worst thing on earth since the Bubonic Plague if you read a lot of the stuff around here. Well, she's not. The pragmatists and more realistic among us understand that change does NOT come with some magic candidate, OR overnight. And we've watched her and taken note of her long time in public service and as a silent partner to her husband during HIS long time in public service. We've recognized her lifetime's work on behalf of women and children here, there, and EVERYWHERE. And her efforts, even though not successful, to try to do something about the health care crisis back during the 90s.

Gotta say, too, that I have been able to shut people up on that one. People who harangued about Hillary this and Hillary that and yeah, her health care panel was for shit and her efforts were for shit and this was wrong and that was wrong and everything was bad-and-wrong and wrad-and-bong and blah-blah-blah. And all I had to say was - "hey, at least SOMEBODY rolled up their sleeves and got in there and TRIED to get something done about it. At least she got in there and tried. At least she jumped into the shark tank and tried, criticism and endless fault-finding be damned. And btw, what, pray tell, did YOU do about it, back then? Sit back in the peanut gallery and snipe, too?" Response? SILENCE.

That one has shut people up like nobody's business. Even the Hillary-haters I know. They've got no comeback for that.

Um... there were legions of those who DID think that of then-candidate Obama, too.

And some of them devolved into slamming him as a goddamn used car salesman when he didn't live up to every last one of their hopes and dreams, and didn't deliver every last micron of change as many of us dreamed he might during the campaign.

I was here that whole time. I saw it again and again and again. LOTS of people thought that - and still think that way to this day.

Here comes THIS YEAR's Mars bar!!!

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT??? FUCK! You mean - gasp - he's not - gasp - PERFECT?

YOIKS! Where are my pearls? Time for pearl-clutching!!!! GAK!!!!!!!!






In case anybody had any doubts.

As the Rude Pundit said not long ago - "well fuck us all with a surprise stick."


I am a woman and I've already listed all the reasons I have for voting for Hillary, in whom I've had great faith, and whom I've respected for a long time. I'm a pragmatist, too. So if Bernie beats her to the nomination, I am NOT sitting home and pouting and being a Sore Loserman. I AM voting and I AM continuing to vote Democratic (since he's finally decided to come on over and claim membership in the Democratic party. It'd be nice if being an independent counted for more, or that we had multiple parties, or whatever else we don't have now that would be mighty nice to have if we just hoped and dreamed enough). So if HE's the one who's still standing at the end of primary season, my vote is for him.

But I seriously doubt it'll come to that.

I care about my party (kinda like this planet thingie we're all standing on - the only one I've got) more than I care about my own little ego.

Yay!

Nice to see the strong start she has against jebbie. Good. They're not fooled just because his wife is Latina.

Sheesh - they're DAFT.

Fabulous! Then prepare to say hello to another president bush.

Or president walker. Or even president trump.