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Related: About this forumBiden out against legalization of Marijuana
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UPDATE:
For those that dispute the validity and age. An anti legalization stance has been Biden's consistent position since the 70s.
Here is a quote from a 2014 Time magazine article (by way Rolling Stone):
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
Not a good footing in my opinion. Obviously, I'd vote for him in a GE but this combined with other things puts him at the bottom the candidate list for me:
Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and they have turned toward Pete on this issue. Great answer.
Smoking anything is terrible for the lungs. BUT...brownies should be okay.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Dough
(17,321 posts)but the pursuit of charges for minor possession of marijuana has done much more harm than good. How any politician couldn't see that as plain as day is mystifying.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Loge23
(3,922 posts)...marijuana has been proven many times to NOT be addictive. Habit-forming? Perhaps, but there is an important difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)The physiological effects may be far less than drugs and while quitting cold Turkey is unlikely to kill you, to say it isn't addictive is certainly not true. I not have personal experience as a user but as a therapist. There are absolutely psychological withdrawal symptoms.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Not even counting opioids ... there's Benzos (xanax, klonopin), Pseudo-Benzos (Ambien, others), ADHD Speed-Like meds (ritalin, dexedrine, adderall), SSRI's (Paxil, Serzone, Prozac), and a few others like Gabapentin and Lyrica that I know of offhand.
All have very notable physical w/d's, esp if abruptly discontinued without weeks or months of weaning.
In fact, after long term use, Caffeine, Nicotine, and Alcohol, all legal, also have physical withdrawal symptoms.
And all can also by 'psychologically addictive', because it's basically unthinkable that anything that has physical w/d's would not also have psychological ones. ANYTHING that anyone enjoys ... food, sex, gambling, literally anything ... can have psychological dependency symptoms.
But having 'psychological dependence' it is NOT necessarily the same as being 'addictive'. Nothing that has no physical withdrawals should be called 'addictive' ... well, unless you're going to call food and sex 'addictive'.
Quitting THC absolutely WILL NOT KILL YOU, the term 'unlikely' is not appropriate here. That literally WILL NOT HAPPEN. Alcohol and Barbiturates are actually the only drugs where withdrawals kill people w/any regularity. That's part of why barbiturates are damn near banned entirely in the USA.
When it comes to THC, 'Habit-Forming' is definitely a fair description. 'Addictive'? I really think not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I quite clearly stated that marijuana withdrawal does not cause death so either you couldn't bother to read my post or you got so upset because I dared to challenge the notion of marijuana addiction that you just had to go on to your rant.
I have posted more than once that I am an addict. More than that I am an RN and a licensed clinical social worker specializing in substance abuse. Do not presume to tell me that marijuana is not addictive. I have observed it and I have helped patients work through their addiction AND dependance.
As for your classification of addiction. I am quite frankly disinterested. Your theories are your own and are not shared by the gross majority of the medical community. And before you start spare me the conspiracy. Psychologically and physical dependence on substances lead to addiction when one is incapable of managing their life responsibly without the constant introduction of their substance of choice. I have treated many patients who lied and stole to feed their marijuana habit.
Now, does this mean I support prohibition? No. If alcohol remains legal then so should marijuana. To claim however that marijuana is somehow benign, that's ridiculous . I speak from the trenches.
Do not.expect a response after this. I have stated my piece.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You did NOT clearly state ... what you're now saying you said, or I'd have not taken issue on that matter in the first place. You said 'unlikely to kill you'. This implies there's a non-zero chance it MIGHT ... but we both know it actually will not, ever. Which you now seem to be admitting, ex-post-facto.
I simply believe you're throwing around the word 'addictive' in what I would consider an irresponsible way. It's addictive in the way that sex, food, and gambling are. If a chemical does not have any appreciable physical withdrawal effects, I think it's unfair to use the word 'addictive'.
Sounds like you disagree, and that's fine. I dispute your assertion that my 'theory' is 'not shared by the gross majority of the medical community', but I'm not going to sit here and argue that point. Many, many millions of people are exposed to chemicals far more legitimately addictive than THC in the USA alone every day. Not even counting opioids. As I outlined in my post.
As someone who's been through withdrawals of BOTH KINDS, more times than I care to discuss, I'm here to tell ya ... physical dependency produces psychological dependency ... damn near always. When your body is telling you 'you need this chemical otherwise you feel like shit', your mind cannot help but react.
Which means that dependency without physical withdrawals, i.e. psychological dependency ALONE ... is much easier to get past/through.
Which is why I say that chemicals that don't produce physical withdrawals, like THC ... are really not much different from food, sex, and gambling. A person can become psychologically dependent on damn near anything.
THC is no more addictive than Sex. And not in the same category as opioids, alcohol, nicotine, Benzos, ADHD meds, etc. Things where you get SICK when you quit them ... are properly labeled 'addictive chemicals'.
Again, you're free to disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Cannabis, like all drugs, are neutral. The spin on them is provided by those who like to spin. It can be "addictive", or can lead to "emotional dependence", or it can be a social lubricant, or it can be a recreational enhancer, or it can be a compliment to a tray of cheese and crackers. Yes, tragedies occur on a regular basis, be it overuse of cannabis (quite rare, actually), or the ruination of the pancreas from a sugar-rich diet, or the growth of cancer tumors from tobacco usage. That's the human condition.
IMO, the real problem is the overuse of drugs that increase tolerance levels that approach, and can reach, a lethal dose. The physical effects of opioids do just that. Some stimulants do that. Some mood-altering pharmaceuticals do that. Opioids, stimulants, and mood-altering pharmaceuticals are all legitimately obtainable through prescriptions, or illegally obtainable through the black market. Cannabis is the tick on the drug abuse elephant.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tymorial
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)your statement should be "marijuana CAN be addictive for SOME PEOPLE. " I don't think it is addictive for everyone. I know people I would say are addicted. I don't think it is addictive for everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)There are social Drinkers and social smokers and social tokers. Addiction is a result of genetic factors, environment and behavioral response.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(36,133 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)His position is ridiculous in this day and age. That's old thinking. Our drug program has failed. Pot is simply not like other drugs, and I'd argue that it's not as harmful as booze.
I don't like that viewpoint at all.
I'm waiting to be able to buy pot before I die. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to. I don't care for alcohol.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Quemado
(1,262 posts)Biden needs to change his position on this.
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Bradshaw3
(7,529 posts)And in no way is it as harmful as alcohol.
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DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Folks evolve. Don't forget Biden changed Obama's mind on Gay marriage. Besides if you are over 60 you've been smoking pot illegally for decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)There's no need to pass a law allowing something, when you can do it illegally. lol.
No, I don't do drugs illegally. I don't think hanging on street corners, getting arrested for trying to score, is something I want to go through at my age. I wouldn't smoke, either. Damage to the lungs.
"Gateway drug." Now there's a term I haven't heard in a while. Spoken by those who don't know anything about pot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Auto accidents are down, I read, in states where rec. cannabis is legal.
Domestic violence is not a risk with cannabis use as it is with alcohol.
Studies suggest a drop in violent crime with legalization, as well. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/marijuana-legalization-violent-crime/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I smoked pot decades ago. We'd sit around and have barely enough energy to get up and go to the store to buy Honeybuns.
I wonder if part of the reason it's not legalized is Big Pharma. Sometimes I'm so stressed out with things, that I think it would be nice just to sit at home and watch a movie and eat a couple of pot brownies. I bet that would ease the stress. As it is, too many people drink alcohol or take pills. I don't like either of those things. I'm just talking about a little relaxation thing. I don't see the harm in that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,274 posts)though more than one in the latter league are buying into the cannabis sector as a diversification tactic.
(honeybuns 😂
Also its way more of a chill vibe than alcohol, which can lead to over the top aggression.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)I will never smoke pot, but that is just ME. If YOU want to do so, you should have the right. And for people to be in prison because of pot is just so fucking stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm over 60 and a bit high strung. Sometimes when I'm really stressed out (from house issues or whatever), I remember the days decades ago when I would smoke pot sometimes, and the very relaxed state it put me in. I don't like taking pills (and there's no pressing reason for a doctor to prescribe me pills),and I don't care for alcohol. I don't see the harm in eating a couple of pot brownies every now and then at home, as a relaxation thing. I wouldn't smoke, because of the damage to lungs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Number of people arrested for a marijuana law violation in 2017: 659,700
Number of those charged with marijuana law violations who were arrested for possession only: 599,282 (90.8 percent)
Percentage of people arrested for drug law violations who are Black or Latino: 46.9% (despite making up just 31.5% of the U.S. population)
Source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/issues/drug-war-statistics
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....who are in favor of legalizing marijuana use today were against it or didn't have a public opinion either way..
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)Cannabis has been legal here since 2012. Cannabis use among teenagers here has DROPPED since it was legalized.
Not a gateway drug.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-state-teens-are-toking-less-since-cannabis-was-legalized-new-study-says/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I had looked favorably on Biden before, but unless he gets with the times, I may well not feel that way come primary day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spin
(17,493 posts)I am a baby boomer (one if the first) but I know a number of millennials who use marijuana and look forward to its legalization for recreational use in my state.
The problem is that marijuana is not the only popular drug in my area. We have a real problem with meth in the rural area where I live.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ret5hd
(20,518 posts)Clinton?...yeah
bush jr?...yeah
Obama?...yeah
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)The quote by Biden is accurate, but its also nine years old. Biden said that about marijuana in 2010 when he was vice president. The tweet from Marijuana Moment placed the quote in the present tense, indicating that the quote was of more recent vintage.
Joe Bidens Viral Quote About Marijuana Is From 2010
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barbtries
(28,811 posts)i do hope he will clarify his position soon.
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Chin music
(23,002 posts)When kids can't go to college bc of student loan denial bc of a MJ charge, it's gone way too far, for way too long. Drivers license sanctions that lead to a loss of a license for life, also has to be assessed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)But by January 2019, as Biden was gearing up for a presidential run, he seemed less bullish about defending his role in shaping the criminal justice world that emerged out of the 1990s.
I havent always been right, he said. I know we havent always gotten things right, but Ive always tried.
Thanks for trying.
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/where-presidential-candidate-joe-biden-stands-on-marijuana/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Ran on it in 06.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)"Thanks for trying," as you say mobeau, now THAT is right.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am eager to know whether Joe's thinking on this issue has evolved.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,035 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)have also found and linked to.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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2naSalit
(86,777 posts)is that he can be open minded and convinced of a different stance when faced with reality and we already know this about him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)progressive politics... prefer those who set the agenda and brought them along!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or are incapable of believing they have anything to learn?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)The article doesn't ID the timeline.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,035 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)Obama administration was opposed to legalization.
Biden might flip on this if Big Pharma wants legalization. Idf so, this is the best time for him to break with his stand as vp
http://time.com/5330/marijuana-legalization-joe-biden-pot/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cattledog
(5,919 posts)Quote from 2014 Time mag interview: the idea of focusing significant resources on interdicting or convicting people for smoking marijuana is a waste of our resources.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)And fighting to support a 1.5 trillion dollar military/private sector failure. There is your so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)If so, please show us where to find that information.
Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Perhaps he feels this isnt the driving issue in 2020. I certainly dont.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Feel free to show me where. Thanks.
Anyway, if he hasn't changed his position then what's quoted in the OP is his official position. Was the point.
Even if it's from 2010
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)That's a good one!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Joe doesn't drink alcohol in any form. One may speculate as to why, and he gives vague answers when asked, but he takes a dim view of intoxicants of any kind, once referring to others in his family as "drunks".
But, based on your knowledge of his personality and thinking, I'm curious to know why you believe his view of marijuana is likely to have changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)In an interview with Rolling Stone, Michael Collins, the director of national affairs at Drug Policy Action, agreed with this perception of Biden, referring to him as the architect, in all ways, of the war on drugs. He embraced the war on drugs. He seized every opportunity he had. He really leaned into escalating it, he said. Mason Tvert, spokesperson for the Marijuana Policy Project, characterized Biden as one of the most aggressive drug warriors in Congress who does not appear to have reversed or even softened his stance on marijuana, despite the majority of the Democratic candidates vocalizing their support for legalization. Hes very out of touch on this subject compared to other candidates, Tvert told Rolling Stone. Quite frankly, he seems to be a bit more out of step on this issue than President Trump, who has said that he would sign legislation ensuring states have the right to determine whether or not to legalize marijuana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I think he's looking at his third primary loss.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Qutzupalotl
(14,327 posts)Do you know whether his current stance has changed?
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delisen
(6,044 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)This is a huge issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)If not then the OP is not dishonest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Biden has been consistently anti-legalization for his entire career, condemned Bush for not being harsh enough, and even during eight years as VP remained anti-legalization.
Realizing that a good chunk of the Democratic base is favorable toward legalization, his campaign has essentially decided to try to hide the ball on this one, as not a word on the subject appears at his campaign website despite it being a key current issue.
You can kid yourself all you want on this one, but Joe "People who drink alcohol are 'drunks'" Biden has a consistent record here.
The lowest he ever got on the subject of intoxicants was when, years after the fact, he attempted to blame his wife's death on the truck driver being drunk in order to make a rhetorical point, despite the fact that the crash was her fault, and the truck driver had not been drinking. She ran a stop sign from a side road onto a much busier through route that had no stop sign, but he figured that lying about his own wife's death was worth a rhetorical point or two.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did you forget about that already?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Learn your history... If a candidate doesn't WIN a primary election and, thus, become the nominee for President representing the Democratic Party in the general election, that means he or she LOST the primary election. Withdrawing at any point in the primary election process is still a loss... Joe has lost twice, since he has never been the Democratic Party's nominee for President in the general.
Sorry, I can't help you if you seriously think Joe didnt lose his last two primary elections and that somehow he won and became the Democratic Party's presidential nominee... that never happened!! But, I'm sure you already knew that!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I don't see how you avoid whiplash with all the reversals!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)But, go ahead, change the subject, I would too... can't wait to hear what else you got!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It must be a comfort for you, especially after that enormous gaffe at the She the People conference, then sending Turner out and making it worse...
My condolences. I know that you were so convinced that he would win this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)This push for Marijuana legalization is ridiculous and stupid. He will probably be forced to change his mind for the nomination but if he wins the hope is he will SLOW WALK this issue --- Slow Walk on a long pier preferred.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
barbtries
(28,811 posts)believe legalization is long past due.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Not legalization.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
barbtries
(28,811 posts)but i am in favor of legalization.
i should have added as well, people in pain or with epilepsy don't have time. we've forced these people to suffer long enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)We Keeping The Minority Community MOST HARMED by the Criminalization of Marijuana with life long Records and Prison Sentences but we are equally Full Board with Corporations making money hand over fist with high potency THC Based Weed???
Not Okay, Here. Not At All!!
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barbtries
(28,811 posts)whatever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)should be like grapes,if I choose to grow grapes and make wine I can do so.
MJ should be the same,then the only people making money are the ones growing it for those that don't or cant do it.Go buy some bud at the Farmers Market.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
barbtries
(28,811 posts)i don't use it personally but can foresee a time when i will want to, for pain management.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)About a Drug that being sold to Kids in Brownies and Lollypops? We'll keep that Status Quo and double it. A Drug that is being LACED with highly addictive chemical combinations of THC and other drugs to increase the potency and dependency nature. We'll keep that Status Quo and TRIPLE IT.
SAM - You might need to read the truth on Today's Marijuana -- as its NOT your Grandma's Weed. FYI!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)once but twice. When you walk in, and when you purchase. No, brownies and Lollypops are NOT being sold to kids. That's complete bullshit. Marijuana is not LACED with highly addictive chemical combinations of THC and other drugs to increase the potency and dependency nature. That's also bullshit. You buy a natural plant that has no chemicals and certainly nothing is added. You can buy Marijuana that has a higher THC or a lower THC. With a medical card, I show my card and a picture ID twice. When I enter and when I pay.
The only thing right about the info you got from that link, is that this is 100% NOT your Grandma's Weed. The weed you buy is grown in a controled environment and all that is added are organic fertilizers. It is inspected and controlled.
This report which also includes data on marijuana-related topics such as crime, hospitalizations and ER visits, usage rates and more is the end product of a 2013 bill passed by the state legislature to study the impacts of marijuana legalization. Analysts gathered data from a range of sources, including the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, the Colorado Hospital Association and the Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center.
This is exactly the kind of data collection we need to inform our regulatory and law enforcement framework, Gov. John Hickenlooper said in a news release. We now have that ever-critical baseline from which we can spot trends so Colorados leaders understand where our efforts are succeeding and identify areas where we need to focus additional research, resources or even new policy.
Colorado has not experienced an increase in marijuana use among young people, although it was the single most common reason for school expulsions in the 2016-17 school year, the first year it was broken out as its own category.
Marijuana also has not impacted graduation rates or dropout rates in Colorado. Graduation rates have increased while dropout rates have decreased since 2012.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/10/26/colorado-marijuana-impact-report/
From the PFD in the link
The number of drivers in fatal crashes who tested above the legal limit of THC, marijuanas active ingredient, decreased to 35 in 2017, down from 52 in 2016.
The number of citations for marijuana-only impairment stayed steady between 2014 to 2017 at around 7 percent of all DUI arrests. Thats roughly 350 citations out of nearly 5,000 DUI arrests each year, the report said.
Arrests
Total marijuana arrests dropped by half during a five-year period, decreasing to 6,153 in 2017 from 12,709 in 2012.
Marijuana possession arrests the majority of all marijuana-related arrests were cut by more than half during the same period, dropping to 5,154 from 11,361.
https://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2018-SB13-283_Rpt.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Other states have pot gummy bears, too
Family Council, a group in Arkansas, published this information.
August, 2017: A baby in Wisconsin ate part of a marijuana-infused cookie which allegedly belonged to the childs babysitter and had to be hospitalized.
August, 2017: A 10-month-old baby in Indiana was hospitalized after eating a gummy bear laced with THC, the cannabinoid in marijuana which produces a high.
July, 2017: Two children in Florida, ages 3 and 5, ate gummy candies laced with marijuana. A 20-year-old woman who lived in the same house left the candies open, within reach of the children.
June, 2017: A Rhode Island toddler nearly died from overdosing on medical marijuana edibles which allegedly belonged to her grandfather.
May, 2017: Two children in Utah were hospitalized after mistakenly eating a cookie laced with marijuana.
May, 2017: A ten-year-old in New York was reportedly hospitalized after accidentally eating candy infused with marijuana. The boys father bought the candy as medical marijuana.
March, 2017: A two-year-old suffering from lethargy was taken to the hospital in Nebraska, where she tested positive for THC. The childs daycare provider reportedly admitted to serving the child cookies that were baked in a pan previously used to bake marijuana brownies.
March, 2017: A five-year-old in Ohio ate a gummy bear laced with THC and later went to the hospital. The child reportedly found the gummy bear in a dresser drawer and mistook it for ordinary candy.
August, 2016 Nineteen people, mostly children and teens fell sick from eating marijuana candies at a birthday party in San Francisco. All of them went to the hospital and the youngest was only 6 years old.
Teenagers and adults exposed
October, 2017, a 14-year-old girl in Nevada passed out on a drug dealer/users porch, after doing marijuana dabs.
March, 2017: A high school student in Ohio was hospitalized after eating a brownie laced with marijuana. A second student also required medical attention, according to news reports.
July, 2017: Eleven teenagers ate gummy bears tainted with THC in Elkhart, Indiana, and ended up in the hospital. The teens complained of rapid heartbeat, leg pain, and blurry vision. As in most cases, reports dont mention who acquired and dispersed the tainted candy.
May, 2017: A woman in Oregon responded called emergency services to report of hallucinations and abnormal breathing following marijuana use. She went to the hospital. The next day police and medical personnel responded to another woman who had overdosed on chocolate laced with marijuana.
January, 2017: A middle school student in Massachusetts overdosed after eating several gummy bears laced marijuana that he found on a school bus.
December, 2016: A thirteen-year-old Michigan boy smoked a concentrated paste extracted from marijuana, which would be considered a dab, wax or shatter.
March, 2017: In Washington, a woman went psychotic from a joint soaked in wax that she purchased at a dispensary.
State of Washington tries to control edibles problem, too
Representatives from the Washington Poison Center report receiving calls regarding children accidentally ingesting marijuana edibles at least once per week.
July, 2017: A 14-month-old baby in Washington mistakenly ate candy laced with marijuana.
Also in Washington, a grandfather who was babysitting found some edibles and gave them to a 5-year-old and 7-year-old. The Washington Poison Center told a reporter of this incident.
The Washington Liquor and Cannabis Board says it requires child-proof packaging and a warning on all marijuana edibles.
Washington State Legislature passed House Bill-1250 that would allow marijuana retailers to give free lock boxes for customers to store their products.
https://poppot.org/2017/10/06/marijuana-edibles-make-children-sick-country/
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)being too high that's on their parents. The parents should be responsible enough to keep their marijuana where the kids can't reach it.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Have a gander at our friend's go-to source of information on the topic:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22george+soros%22+site%3Apoppot.org
Marijuana Policy Must Protect Youth - Parents Opposed to Pot
poppot.org/2015/01/05/marijuana-policy-must-protect-youth/
Jan 5, 2015 - It has been a long, patient plan, but obviously working thanks to the help of a few billionaires, with George Soros at the helm. Owing to a ...
Gary Bettencourt Archives - - Parents Opposed to Pot
poppot.org/tag/gary-bettencourt/
Feb 1, 2015 - In Oregon, the marijuana financiers, including George Soros' Drug Policy Action, donated $9,273,848 towards Measure 91, the successful ...
What is the evidence for medical marijuana to treat the addiction ...
https://poppot.org/2018/08/18/slim-evidence-medical-marijuana-for-opiates/
Aug 18, 2018 - Changing drug policy is the linchpin of billionaire George Soros's ideology. Soros has donated billions to Open Society, Drug Policy Alliance, ...
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There is a lot more.
If you are concerned about wealthy Jews promoting drugs to our children, then our friend's website here is an abundant source of information on that topic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)work in financing the push for the legalization of something that has made such a difference in my life. That POP link? So much nonsense and misinformation I don't even know where to begin.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In what substantial way does this sub-category of accidental exposures (taking out the ones which were intentional) differ from household poisoning episodes in general?
Yes, households with children need to keep things like cleaning chemicals, alcohol, prescription drugs, etc. out of the reach of children.
Fortunately, marijuana, unlike most medications kept around the house which kill thousands of children per year, is not fatal.
Absent some significant distinction in either the frequency or risk of unwanted marijuana exposures, then do I understand that you are saying that all toxic substances to which children might be exposed should be banned from household use and storage, and that persons should face substantial criminal penalties for possessing all such substances. Or is your issue primarily with marijuana and not, say, Tide Pods?
https://www.poison.org/poison-statistics-national
In 2017, the 55 U.S. poison control centers provided telephone guidance for nearly 2.12 million human poison exposures.1 Thats about:
6.4 poison exposures/1000 population,
39.1 poison exposures in children younger than 6 years/1000 children,
1 poison exposure reported to U.S. poison control centers every 14.9 seconds.
Please feel free to PM me in the event you decide to post some actual statistics.
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Really Now? So CHILDREN getting ahold of a DRUG that has a Chemical Reaction of negative effects for CHILDREN on their Brains is like a SO WHAT moment in time for you???
This Nation is going to Hell In A Handbasket is this type of ill-rational thinking is allow to rule the day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Okay.
Odd position, but one to which you are entitled.
I guess you are just one of those people who thinks that Tide Pods should be legal, and to hell with the children poisoned by them.
Please do not attempt to cast this as an issue of "rational thinking", since you do not think rationally about inadvertent exposure to household poisons.
Millions of children get into alcohol and medicines improperly stored in households. In your world, people should be locked up for owning such things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods
Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods, and ingestion of Procter & Gamble laundry pods had resulted in six deaths by 2017
How many children were killed by marijuana in 2017?
Why do you support killing children with Tide Pods?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Kids digesting Foods and Candies full of high potency THC Filled Weed as NOTHING to DO with Tide Pods. Talking about Swinging Wildly and Missing by Six Miles....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods, and ingestion of Procter & Gamble laundry pods had resulted in six deaths by 2017.
Six children were KILLED by 2017 by eating Tide Pods.
You want the carnage to continue by your failure to support stiff criminal penalties for the possession or distribution of Tide Pods.
Remind me how many children were KILLED by marijuana in 2017?
I realize that people like you care only about getting your fix of convenience when you do the laundry, but you should really stop focusing on your own selfish convenience and think about the children for a change.
The deaths need to stop. We need to lock up people who have Tide Pods.
People who have things that should be kept away from children need to keep them away from children. The fact that some people do not do so, is not a function of whether marijuana represents some sort of peculiar hazard relative to medicines and cleaning chemicals found in any household with varying degrees of safety.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Parents Opposed To Pot
EIN: 45-4040373 | Merrifield, VA, United States
Exemption Type: 501(c)(3)
Revocation Date: 04-15-2018
Revocation Posting Date: 07-21-2018
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I can see why Trumpers like the folks who run the website you've linked.
In 2015, your source took in $57,000.
Julie and Roger paid themselves $18,000 and spend $32,000 on "travel and expenses".
https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/454040373_201511_990EZ_2018073115551997.pdf
Julie Schauer, incidentally, in addition to running your go-to website, is a Republican donor.
Given that they spent $5,000 on "social media", then I suppose they pay people to promote their website, so that they can obtain donations, and turn around and donate that money to Republican candidates.
Nice!
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://thinkprogress.org/the-weird-coalition-of-rich-people-cops-and-morality-scolds-spending-big-to-stop-legal-weed-1aff8ceddad9/
Schauer believes marijuana is the common denominator in mass shootings and terrorist attacks, argues that legalization proponents overstate the devastation caused by the drug war, and insists that conservative bugaboo George Soros is behind a whitewash of the plants very real harms.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22george+soros%22+site%3Apoppot.org
Marijuana Policy Must Protect Youth - Parents Opposed to Pot
poppot.org/2015/01/05/marijuana-policy-must-protect-youth/
Jan 5, 2015 - It has been a long, patient plan, but obviously working thanks to the help of a few billionaires, with George Soros at the helm. Owing to a ...
Gary Bettencourt Archives - - Parents Opposed to Pot
poppot.org/tag/gary-bettencourt/
Feb 1, 2015 - In Oregon, the marijuana financiers, including George Soros' Drug Policy Action, donated $9,273,848 towards Measure 91, the successful ...
What is the evidence for medical marijuana to treat the addiction ...
https://poppot.org/2018/08/18/slim-evidence-medical-marijuana-for-opiates/
Aug 18, 2018 - Changing drug policy is the linchpin of billionaire George Soros's ideology. Soros has donated billions to Open Society, Drug Policy Alliance, ...
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Do you believe a lot of Jews are behind this, or do you believe it is just primarily George Soros?
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cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)With all these reports is the nature of the hospitalization. The children in question were taken to the hospital because someone noticed the child had either eaten or smoked the marijuana or they were had some kind of symptom, such as lethargy. What's missing is what the treatment was.
If they admitted the child for observation and didn't really do anything and the marijuana wore off and they were fine, then the child really didn't need to be hospitalized and would have been OK without being taken to the doctor and I suspect that most of the cases were of this nature.
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)You know this is a CHILD right? A Child?
What the world is this world coming too?
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cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)But you are citing all these cases of "hospitalization" and quite a few of them might not even be considered a medical emergency. There may be some that are. But to cite all these cases and use them as an excuse against legalization is dishonest.
You need to look at the degree here. A baby ingesting 3 gummy bears and needing medical intervention is certainly different than a ten year old eating the same amount and having a panic attack and sitting in a room in the hospital for 3 hours without any intervention until the effects wear off.
Also, in general, there is no lasting effect of a single accidental ingestion in most cases.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Children never get into prescription medications, alcohol, cleaning chemicals, or other potential poisons in the home.
We must outlaw marijuana, because children might get their hands on it in the home. That makes marijuana very different from prescription medications, alcohol, or cleaning chemicals.
Also, rich Jews are secretly funding the push to make marijuana legal, according to sites promoted here on DU.
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cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)If your child ingest marijuana is to first assess the situation. Certainly, if your child seems to have life threatening symptoms call 911. If not, call your primary care physician. They can assess if your child needs to go to the emergency room or just needs to wait it out. Your doctor might suggest that you come to his office or wait and watch for additional symptoms. Quite likely a trip to the emergency room will not be necessary.
I remember once when I was about 27, my boyfriend (22) and I had a friend of his over. His friend was about 18 or 20. We smoked a bit and his friend had a panic attack and thought he was going to die. We sat and talked to him and calmed him down. In about an hour he was fine and we were glad he wasn't still insisting we take him to the hospital. He was also glad because he sure didn't want to tell his parents (who he still lived with) that he had smoked marijuana and had to go to the emergency room.
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)It isn't sold to kids. It isnt laced with "THC and other drugs". Teen use has dropped since legalization.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-state-teens-are-toking-less-since-cannabis-was-legalized-new-study-says/
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Danascot
(4,694 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Albuquerque School of Excellence posted a warning on Facebook for parents last week.
We would like our community to be alert with drugs and any edibles that may or could be in different formats, the post read.
The fifth-grade student brought gummy candy laced with tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) to school. The candy was meant to be used as medical marijuana by the parents, according to the Albuquerque Journal.
The box labelled Incredibles: High-equality handcrafted infused edibles, was eaten by five students, the Journal reported. Some students felt sick, dizzy and began to giggle.
Kristi Del Curto, the dean of the elementary students, told the newspaper that the children were taken to the school nurse, who thought they had food poisoning. But then they found the box of gummies.
Paramedics were called to do check-ups on the students, who were later sent home with their parents.
The nine-year-old student who handed out the candy and who has not been identified told KRQE News 13 that she was upset by the situation, and knows not to take drugs."
https://globalnews.ca/news/3979918/marijuana-gummies-school-children-new-mexico/
The number of teens diagnosed annually with marijuana intoxication or testing positive for pot during a drug screen at Children's Hospital Colorado rose from 146 in 2005 to 639 in 2014.
The findings run counter to national surveys that have shown no increase in teenage pot use in states where recreational marijuana is legal, said lead researcher Dr. George Sam Wang. He's an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus.
For example, the National Survey on Drug Use and Health found a similar percentage of teenagers reported pot use in 2015 as in the prior decade, researchers said in background notes.
"Our study shows that there have to be other ways we can follow the impact of legalization on the adolescent population," Wang said. "We know that nationwide, marijuana is the most abused drug in the adolescent age group, and there's been a decline in their perception of risk for marijuana use. They think it's not as risky to use it as in years prior."
Eight states and the District of Columbia allow recreational marijuana use. Colorado approved commercialization of medical marijuana in 2010 and legalized recreational marijuana use in 2014.
For the study, Wang and his colleagues reviewed emergency department and urgent care records for 13- to 21-year-olds treated between January 2005 and June 2015. The researchers looked for visits where the patient either had a diagnostic code related to marijuana use or a positive urine screen showing pot in their system.
The rate of emergency department and urgent care visits by stoned teenagers more than doubled -- from 1.7 per 1,000 patients in 2009 to 4 per 1,000 in 2015, said Wang.
Teenagers with symptoms of mental illness accounted for two-thirds of the 3,443 marijuana-related visits detected by the researchers."
https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2017-05-05/pot-a-factor-in-more-er-admissions-for-colorado-teens-after-legalization
The tasty treats might be masquerading as something more dangerous.Thats the message officials are spreading after drug-laced treats eaten on Valentines Day sickened Fulton County middle-schoolers.Sandtown Middle School sent 28 students to local hospitals on Feb. 14 after some students ate cereal treats containing THC, a chemical found in marijuana.
The children complained of symptoms ranging from stomach and head pain to disorientation and hallucinations.The incident sparked investigations, and the school district announced a handful of students face school disciplinary consequences."
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/kids-classroom-snacks-could-hide-drugs/GJn7Xm2emBzlmpfFRUlERI/
Assistant Superintendent of Schools, Dr. Chris Campbell explains that the focus of the PYDC is prevention and education
so, no matter where you stand on this issueslegalization pro or antithats not our concern. Our concern is youth consumption. So, I am concerned about how those products look, how they appeal to students, access to students.
Campbell says that the groups intent is always educational:
Were always trying to refine our educational practices particularly around, you know, the health effect, and the dangers, and the developing brain. I mean, you know, as you just heard during our presentation, the adolescent brain is still developing up until 25.
And some of the additives in marijuana products can be damaging to the developing brain.
Public Health Director Dr. Nate Horwitz-Willis talked about those substances that can be added to edible products:
Right now were issuing an advisory out to all of our retail and food establishments because weve been getting reports from people saying that there have been folks out there putting CBD and even THC in the products and also there are kids that dont even understand what theyre consuming because there may be high amounts of both CBD and THC in some of these products such as gummies and cookies.
https://959watd.com/blog/2019/02/plymouth-concern-over-school-children-and-marijuana-edibles/
So, just want to copy/paste your spin again.....
Yes, it is sold or "gifted" to kids and YES it is laced with THC and other Drugs to KIDS across the Nation.
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)not purchase marijuana legally in the states that have legalized it. I seriously doubt any parent has gifted their child any of their edibles.
Did you know that every human being, even those against Marijuana have Cannabinoid Receptors in their brain and throughout their body?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor
https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2007-06-cannabinoids-human-body-anti-inflammatory-effect.html
June 7, 2007
Endocannabinoids seem to play an important role in regulating inflammation processes. Scientists from the University of Bonn have discovered this in experiments on mice. Their results will be published in the distinguished scientific journal Science on Friday, 8 June. The study may also have implications for therapy. In animal experiments, a solution with an important component made from cannabis reduced allergic reactions of the skin.
Extracts of the hemp plant cannabis are traditionally used as a popular remedy against inflammation. At the beginning of the last century this natural remedy was even available at every chemists. But due to the intoxicating effect of the component THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) the plant was taken off the chemists shelves in the 1930s.
THC acts on the cannabinoid receptors, of which there are two types, CB1 and CB2. Both receptors are made such that THC can attach itself to them. In the brain this causes the intoxicating effect of hashish, cannabis and marijuana. But why does the body have CB1 and CB2 anyway" For two decades it has been known that the human body also produces its own cannabinoids. Like THC they can attach themselves to the receptors. The brain scientist Professor Andreas Zimmer from the Bonn Institute of Molecular Psychiatry is investigating what the function of this endocannabinoid system is. Mice without CB1 receptors show psychological abnormalities, he explains. By contrast, CB2 regulates the growth of bones, for example.
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)The study found that use among teenagers dropped in the state during that time.. Here's a link to the study.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2718512?resultClick=1
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)Your beef is with the American Medical Association, not me.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2718512?resultClick=1
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Appear to Disturb You. Interesting....
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patphil
(6,207 posts)It's neither ridiculous or stupid. It's long overdue.
Tens of millions of Americans have gone to prison for marijuana use; many have had their lives ruined by a "justice" system that lets corporate crime go, but is all too eager to lock up lower and middle class people for marijuana usage.
I'm 72, and was around in the 70's when it was considered an act of civil disobedience, and a pretty darn good high.
It was a social experience for many.
It is no where near as debilitating as alcohol.
It is no more a "gateway drug" than alcohol.
And it is not a killer drug like oxycontin.
It should be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco.
Now there's a killer drug...it took my father. And the combination of alcohol and tobacco took my brother.
I know dozens of people who died from these legal drugs, but I don't know anyone who died from using marihuana.
Patrick Phillips
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)Meaning the primarily POC that are far more likely to arrested and get jail time that whites.
It's an institutional racism issue, not because we all want to "get high".
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)So, wouldn't Decriminalization have ended the arrest records and prison time without the quasi so-called "legalization" that's doing NOTHING but making Corporations Rich (p/s: In All States Marijuana is "legalized" that vast amount of owners of the "trade" are LARGE CORPORATIONS practicing in the Marijuana Trade in and cross state lines.
Decriminalization should have been done first and should have been the only thing done IMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
angrychair
(8,733 posts)But that is not how it works in Washington.
Businesses have to be based in WA.
Growers have to be based in WA.
The business is broke down into three functions: growing. Distribution. Selling.
A single business can only do any two of the three functions.
Find it hard to believe that large, national or international corporations are involved. Still against federal law. You can't put that money in banks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Knowing a bit about business, its rather easy to set up a sublet LLC's in any state across the country and still be a S or C Corporation as a whole -- which is method many large scale marijuana corporations are setting up their businesses in the states that have "legalized" to date.
As for not putting the money in banks, true initially upon the initial sell growing, retail, distribution. However, after the initial sale - well any good CPA can morph the revenue into growth and operational costs, including building and infrastructure -- which would jump right pass the banking limitation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,600 posts)It needs to be done more like the current status of cigarettes. NOT, oh my god, NOT, like drinking and gambling currently is where I live.
I would love to be able to responsibly and legally enjoy the stuff. But not at the expense of making it easier for kids or folks with compulsion disorders to get and use. My pleasure does not come before avoiding harm to others.
So while I'm "for" legalization on a binary version of the question, I don't fault someone on the other side, if as someone above already mentioned, I know that person is someone who will take in new information and adjust their position accordingly after careful study.
There are bigger issues to be dealt with than legalizing m.j., and it is not as simple a question as some want to make it out to be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,600 posts)Do you truly believe that marijuana doesn't affect ANYONE that way?
Have you ever known a hard-core alcoholic or a compulsive gambler?
I am not suggesting alcohol or even gambling should be illegal. Just that it shouldn't be so easy for the profiteers to exploit people's vulnerabilities. Or is allowing profiteers to exploit people's vulnerabilities now considered a "progressive" position, as long as the activity is something fun or useful for most of us?
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Colorado and Washington leaglized in 2012. Oregon and DC in 2014. Oregon had medical marijuana for at least a decade before that. states California, Maine, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized in 2016. Maine and Massachusetts last year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2018/01/10/study-legal-marijuana-could-generate-more-than-132-billion-in-federal-tax-revenue-and-1-million-jobs/
"Legalizing marijuana nationwide would create at least $132 billion in tax revenue and more than a million new jobs across the United States in the next decade, according to a new study.
The analysis shows that if marijuana were fully legal in all 50 states, it would create at least a combined $131.8 billion in in federal tax revenue between 2017 and 2025. That is based on an estimated 15 percent retail sales tax, payroll tax deductions and business tax revenue.
The federal government would reap $51.7 billion in sales tax from a legal marijuana market between 2017 and 2025, entirely new revenue for a business that remains illegal -- and unable to be taxed -- federally.
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barbtries
(28,811 posts)it's urgent for them.
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MH1
(17,600 posts)are separate aspects of the issue, that can proceed without full legalization.
That said, there are lots of people with urgent issues that currently aren't being dealt with, or are being made much, much worse by the current scumbag regime. My #1 priority is getting that scumbag out of power, and restoring sanity.
We can't automatically erase every injustice that exists anywhere in America and make every person completely whole again. Even for the part of that that is physically possible, we are dealing with other people in this country who also have a say (democracy!) and do not agree with us.
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)YES!!!! Thank You!!!!
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TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)To regulate marijuana so kids etc cant get it if you had to buy it from a store where they can check IDs as opposed to a guy on the street corner.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Period!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)It's a long one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raven123
(4,864 posts)As I read it Marijuana Moment website states he voiced opposition to legalization in 2014. Being in politics a long time allows one to establish a broad and long record, that will need affirming or updating depending on the issue. Hopefully Biden addresses this one.
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YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,600 posts)So, I suspect he has never gotten high, either.
I think if the right information were presented to him in the right way, he would soften his stance. Actually, presenting current polling to him will probably soften his stance.
Meanwhile, keep in mind that the quote in the OP is from 2010. A lot of progress has been made since then with medical marijuana. The research data from that could at least get him to push for removal of mj from schedule 1. Which would be a big step forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that he's become more progressive on this issue in the nine years since.
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/joe-biden-applauds-anti-marijuana-speech-at-opioid-forum/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)He was not asked his views re: legalization directly in that panel discussion which focused on opioids.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Every heroin user started with aspirin, Joe.
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Demit
(11,238 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Politicians will usually go along to some extent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)They were really OK with it, but waited until it was wise to be all for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)Sanders continues to refuse to give a clear answer regarding his position on civil unions.
This week we were no more successful getting a straight answer. All we did get was a carefully crafted non-statement statement via e-mail from Washington D.C. And Bernies statement wins him the Vermont congressional delegations Wishy-Washy Award hands down.
Once more he applauds the court decision but wont go anywhere near choosing between same-sex marriage and domestic partnership. By all accounts the legislature is approaching this issue in a considered and appropriate manner and I support the current process.
snip============================================
And finally, Progressive Peter Clavelle, the Mayor of Burlington. Asked this week if he supports gay marriage, Clavelle quickly answered, yes. No political double-speak. No attempt to try to be all things to all people. No obfuscation.
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/fuggedaboudit/Content?oid=2291039
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lapucelle
(18,319 posts)snip=========================================================
But when Sanders was asked by a reporter whether Vermont should legalize same-sex marriage, he said no. Not right now, not after what we went through, he said.
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It wasnt until 2009 that Sanders publicly voiced support for gay marriage, years after many of his contemporaries in Vermont. The state legislature voted to legalize gay marriage that March and overrode a gubernatorial veto to pass it into law in April. Its unclear when exactly Sanders took his position. When asked, his campaign provided a news article from July of that year which noted that he had previously supported it.
http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,372 posts)I thought Bernie never, ever changed his absolutely perfect position on anything.
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lapucelle
(18,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,372 posts)From DUers who think changing a position is a really bad thing. I see that stated all the time here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
eShirl
(18,503 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)but I am no one issue voter especially for this election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,811 posts)that kinda kills it for me. of course i will vote for him if he is the nominee, but i had hoped that perhaps he had evolved in this respect. what is his take on the war on families?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)One of the few things I have to look forward to in my old age is being able to get some pot before I die. What does Pete think about this?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Dont ask dont tell
No LGBT marriage
No pot
Lets wait until we hear a decade later.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FreeState
(10,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,330 posts)Do you know? I'll wait here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)That is what Biden said years ago when he was VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Biden has been against legislation since the 1970's.
This is a Time magazine quote from 2014, which is consistent with his past talking points:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)That is just 4 yrs ago and is completely consistent with a position he has held since the 70s.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Misleading, dishonest and worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
writes3000
(4,734 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Biden has been against legislation since the 1970's.
This is a Time magazine quote from 2014, which is consistent with his past talking points:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Thats my guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)His campaign website seems to want to avoid talking about it, so perhaps you can enlighten us as to Biden's position?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...do you have anything more recent by which we can judge his position?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)Cops to apprehend people who possess weed
Cops to process evidence and write reports
Cop cars purchase & maintenance
Govt prosecutors
Public defenders
Judges
Bailiffs
Court clerks
Court building maintenance
Prison building & maintenance
Prison guards
Prison medical staff
Prison food preparers
Processing parole or release of prisoners
And of course marijuana supply chain people
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
janx
(24,128 posts)and in many cases, they involve private prisons where money is made according to how many inmates they have.
So if anything, this would be another argument for legalization instead of against it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)I see nothing good in making it illegal for use in your home.
Although I don't smoke or drink alcohol, who am I to restrict those who enjoy weed at home?
My bad habit is addiction to politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
janx
(24,128 posts)Medical use is legal. Recreational use is coming, probably next year. It came very close this year but there were disagreements in the legislature about how to implement it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
janx
(24,128 posts)The marijuana industry looks like the fastest-growing job market in the country
Economists believe the U.S. job market overall is getting tight, evidenced by the 20,000 growth in payrolls for February.
Job creation is expected to grow as more states legalize pot. Nick Colas at DataTrek Research said cannabis is the fastest-growing labor market in the U.S.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/the-marijuana-industry-looks-like-the-fastest-growing-job-market-in-the-country.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Major disconnect with that one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Certainly, doesn't help though!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
madville
(7,412 posts)Harris was sending many people to CA state prison for marijuana-related offenses as CA AG during the same timeframe Biden held this position, 1,560 to be exact according to the same website cited in the OP Tweet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)But it wouldn't prevent me from supporting him because legalization is coming, and marijuana is not a top tier issue for 2020. Not when we're on the cusp of losing the Republic.
Winning 2020 is the issue. No other viable option.
I'm a Go for Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)I'm sticking with the smart guy! He's a breath of fresh air and that's what people want in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)However, Biden is miles ahead in experience, knowledge about the mechanics of power and the only candidate with foreign policy experience.
I'm a Go for Joe. And for winning 2020. Because winning is everything this time out.
back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)based solely on IQ... though I'd bet Elizabeth is WAY up there in smarts, along with a few others.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)He was pro slavery in 1850.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Biden has been against legislation since the 1970's.
This is a Time magazine quote from 2014, which is consistent with his past talking points:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)we're not going back to the future
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)I think his time has passed, but he could be an enormous asset as a happy warrior / surrogate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ananda
(28,876 posts)Getting Reeps out is MAJOR !!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I'll vote for him if he's our candidate, but this is unacceptable. I'll even vote for Bernie in the primaries over Biden as long as he continues to shovel out these old man yells at cloud policies.
I live in a legal state and while I don't often indulge, cannabis has helped me in those times I've had insomnia or anxiety. It helps a lot of people mentally and physically. I believe in the right of anyone who so chooses to feed their head and practice healing with psychedelics. The war on drugs has been a dismal failure and atrocity not only for the US, but for a lot of other countries. This stance is archaic. How disappointing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)No one really care anymore. You aren't winning a whole lot of voted on being anti marijuana.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
writes3000
(4,734 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I'm sure you could too... if you were REALLY interested. (Apparently not.)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If you are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)20 seconds is all it took... 2014.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Yet again?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Biden has been against legislation since the 1970's.
This is a Time magazine quote from 2014, which is consistent with his past talking points:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)replies.
Sure.....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did you read what you just posted?
I hope bLuE isn't too offended...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)about things I NEVER said, than spend 20 SECONDS to verify what I actually DID say!! It's truly amazing!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And keeps on posting about all the money in their account...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)"Somebody writes checks they can't cash.
And keeps on posting about all the money in their account..."
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When you have no response, but still want to type something.
You're just still smarting about the "if the shoe fits" hole you dug for yourself, aren't you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That happens a lot with your claims about what's been posted. You seem to find it easier to repeatedly claim you posted something, than to actually deliver a copy and past link to the alleged post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)those same comments, as did OTHER PEOPLE... and, yes, some of THEM posted links that you so desperately wanted to believe did not exist, but I never said I did, because I didn't. Rather, I wanted to see if YOU would spend the 20 seconds it took me, and others, to find those same links (apparently not).
But, go ahead, keep making up things I didn't say about Biden's 2014 comments regarding marijuana legalization, as you wrongly stated:
"You seem to find it easier to repeatedly claim you posted something, than to actually deliver a copy and past link to the alleged post." That's wrong, because there IS no past link to Biden's 2014 comments from me, and I never claimed there WAS... it's just another "straw man" argument that you invented.
Just admit you were wrong and move on... it's not a big deal. Or, just ignore your mistake and change the subject (again!). I really don't care... I'll still go on lovin' Bernie!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If you could, you'd link to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)As reported, yes, I did find the links, as did everyone else who bothered looking. It wasn't hard... took 20 seconds using Google. So, you're wrong about that also.
But, glad you finally recognize I was talking about links OTHER people posted to Biden's 2014 comments about marijuana legalization and that I never claimed to have linked to those comments myself. I was more interested in seeing whether you could find them yourself, using Google.
No need to apologize though about your mistaken claims... it's really not a big deal. I forgive you anyway!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)thread. Or any other thread you've made the same claims about.
Still true.
You don't even need to type it, but you will anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to ehrnst (Reply #157)
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)simpler yet, just click on the links others have provided?! Oooookayyy!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But you spend time posting numerous frantic replies that they're actually there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....they include a link or source. Lacking that I assume it's either not there or not what is being portrayed. Oooookayyy!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)That's okay though... I get it!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)So, now the issue is whether Joe has said something CURRENT about legalized marijuana... oh oookkaayyyyyyy!! Nice switch!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....in 2014. Guess what? This is 2019.
Now, about those primaries that you said Biden lost that you can't come up with. Seems as though there's something like this every day or two.
OT - I'll repeat, Joe Biden has never lost a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)primary elections Biden entered and failed to win, i.e. "lost"... this being his THIRD attempt to capture the Democratic nomination for President.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Not changing the subject, just reminding you that this happens frequently - when the answers are "uncomfortable" some seem to avoid answering at all.
Same as this subject, do you have a current policy position of Biden's on legalized marijuana? You haven't provided any.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....Not New Hampshire, not New York, not Connecticut, etc......none.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I said Joe lost two primary elections... one was to Dukakis in election year 1988, and one was to Obama in election year 2008. But, you already knew Biden lost those two primary elections... cuz I've told you this several times in another thread.
You can pretend you didn't know Biden lost two prior primary elections... that's okay. I really don't care whether you realize this or not.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)focusing on the word 'losing' - The poster thinks its a really clever thing to harp on the word 'losing' because Biden actually flopped out both times before he could lose.
He was forced to withdraw in '88 due to the plagiarism scandal, and dropped out in '08 after a disastrous showing in Iowa, where he got less than 1% of the vote.
So these embarrassing failures don't technically count as losses because Biden wasn't in it long enough to lose!
That's the game. So clever
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)that they're running in an election and, then, they don't WIN that election - regardless of when and why they quit running in that election - it's accurate to say they LOST that election.
Obviously, the poster doesn't want to concentrate on the fact that Joe lost those two prior primary elections... so, just claim that Joe has never lost a STATE primary race, an argument I never made.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)But some love to waste time on parsing and word games and other nonsense like that. Who knows why
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Last edited Thu May 2, 2019, 09:37 AM - Edit history (1)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Old quote, whats his new position?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,535 posts)Recent reports found that todays cannabis is far more potent than ever before: 20-25% THC compared to 2% in the 70s; researchers from the University of Minnesota linked regular marijuana use to lower grades, and marijuana-related hospital visits doubled in Colorado between 2011 and 2014.
And, yes, I am unhappy that Klobuchar supports it. Told her so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Yuck.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,535 posts)A lab in Colorado has just analyzed 600 samples of marijuana, both recreational and medical, and found that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content has risen markedly, whereas cannabidiol (CBD), which many say has therapeutic value, has declined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_legalized_cannabis
In Colorado, effects since 2014 include increased state revenues,[4] violent crime decreased,[5][6] an increase in homeless population,[7] one Colorado hospital has received a 15% increase in babies born with THC in their blood.[8]
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Study after study throughout the years has shown that marijuana is far less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol. I hope you want to ban those substances as well, otherwise your stance is hypocritical.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,535 posts)I don't care about people smoking and drinking. I don't want them to do this while driving.
We can tell a drunk driver and we can tell when someone was distracted. How can we tell when a stoned driver just killed someone because, well, he was stoned?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,733 posts)They can require a suspect to do a urine or a blood test, just like they do with any other type of DUI.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Descheduling, decriminalization, and reverting sentences can and SHOULD OCCUR WITH LEGALIZATION!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)The biggest issue with all of this, for me, is how you can walk into a dispensary in Colorado and LEGALLY purchase it, but in South Carolina...and elsewhere..it's a felony. Part of the rationale for it in South Carolina is that legislators keep saying "It's what the voters WANT," and maybe they're right. This IS BBQ and Budweiser country...sadly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)simple possession first offense in SC is a misdemeanor.
https://norml.org/laws/item/south-carolina-penalties-2
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)That's why God made vacations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Keep up with the times! not the past!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)if he took a similar position. Like Bernie was finished for never disclosing 10 years of his taxes, which he did disclose... or finished for not being a Democrat, even though he IS a Democrat... or finished for raising his finger, claiming that he wagged it. Only under the "Bernie standard" would we wave bye-bye to Joe.
Not to worry though, I expect Joe to adopt Bernie's progressive position on marijuana any day now.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Prosper
(761 posts)Step backwards. Nothing more to say. Just doesn't make sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)He should clarify/update his position
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I'll take Biden. He can. Beat the Trump monster.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marlakay
(11,491 posts)We should write to all of the people on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and have them ask him when they interview him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernLiberal
(407 posts)Only because it is illegal! If you could buy it in a shop, instead of from someone who makes more money selling truly addictive drugs, there would be no 'gateway'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Would prefer he had stayed away from using, 'gateway drug' argument. It's so very tired and irrational. I could maybe accept keeping it illegal, but deprioritized as a concern for law enforcement. I lean libertarian on drug laws: shadow economies only make things worse.
It's moments like this when I'm glad I'm contributing to other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,194 posts)If he doesn't, it would be a showstopper for me in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
musicman65
(524 posts)this is now,,,have each state come up with a plan,,,until then " Let It Be "
Smoking anything is not good,I have been there,& paying the price.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Apologies for yelling, but I want to know where he stands on the topic right NOW.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
randr
(12,414 posts)Sorry Joe, I used to love ya.
This is so indicative of the age issue. If he has not moved on from the last century he does not deserve to be a Presidential candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brewens
(13,620 posts)even do any illegal drugs at all. So if it's a gateway drug, it's really not working very well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mersky
(4,986 posts)That quote is from 2010. A good number of states have changed their laws since. Maybe he's changed his mind? We just don't know yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)And it puts him near the bottom of the list for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evolve Dammit
(16,763 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)He has an excellent group of advisers - at least one I believe from Bernie's last campaign - who will surely get Joe to reverse course on the marijuana issue.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rollin74
(1,990 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)they obviously know he has some splainin to do... I expect Joe will do so in the coming days.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,156 posts)Just like he forced Obama to opine on gay marriage before he wanted to , hopefully circumstances will force a change of heart for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)Every pothead I've known has never moved on the heroin or cocaine. They're in all walks of life, from reception clerks to lawyers. They've smoked pot their entire adult lives.
My guess (and hope) is if Biden still has this position, he won't for much longer. It would make for a a great campaign event if he sat down with legalization advocates and then announced he now supports legislation and had gotten their endorsement!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paleotn
(17,960 posts)And tobacco is a gate way drug to alcohol. Ugh!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Biden came out against legalized marijuana nine or ten years ago. OK, but this threads headline makes it appear that Biden has just recently re-establshed this political position, and thats just not true. I find this OP deceptive. If Joe had come out against legalized marijuana yesterday, that would be one thing, and I would actually APPRECIATE this OP because it would have advised me about where Biden currently stands on an important issue, but that is NOT what this OP does.
I look forward to Vice President Biden explaining his current thinking on this subject soon. I have every reason to believe that he is a thoughtful person who is capable of changing his mind.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Misleading, dishonest or worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Biden has been against legislation since the 1970s.
This is a Time magazine quote from 2014, which is consistent with his past talking points:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-biden-weed-war-drugs-candidate-2020-827319/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)One of the things the President has worked on now, is criminal-justice reforms, in particular regarding drug policy. This is something that you have a long record on, from inventing the drug czar. The President talked to David Remnick about legalization of marijuana. Is that something that youve come around on, and do you support some of the efforts there?
No. Look, I support the Presidents policy. I think the idea of focusing significant resources on interdicting or convicting people for smoking marijuana is a waste of our resources. Our policy for our Administration is still not legalization, and that is and continues to be our policy.
But on the entire criminal-justice front, the good news is there are two things the President asked in the beginning that I wanted to have sort of day-to-day jurisdiction over. And one was I said the violence-against-women portfolio and law enforcement, cops. The great news is that I have an incredible relationship with the Attorney General. Other Attorney Generals might go Whoa, whoa, wait, Biden shouldnt be picking whos gonna be in each of these offices, but Im able to do that. When we put together the budget, Ive been basically the guy who has the final say in the criminal-justice side of the budget. So and Im still a point person along with the Attorney General with law enforcement, with the criminal-justice system and all those issues relating to violence against women. One of the things the President and I agree on, and I think most of the Cabinet secretaries agree on: when something in their shop gets pulled into the White House, it has a little more horsepower. And those things that get pulled are usually things [that] get handed to me. Im going to say something self-serving because I get along Ive never had a Cabinet secretary whos gone Whoa, whoa notwithstanding [former Defense Secretary Robert] Gates book or has there ever been any kind of What the hells he doing, because Ive never, as I said, cut their grass.
So on the criminal-justice side, I am not only the guy who did the crime bill and the drug czar, but Im also the guy who spent years when I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee and chairman of [the Senate Foreign Relations Committee], trying to change drug policy relative to cocaine, for example, crack and powder. I mean, I worked for the last five years I was there, and [Illinois Senator Richard] Durbins continuing to work. And [New York Senator Chuck] Schumer. And the President shares this. And Im still engaged in those things. I dont know if this explains it very well, but what happens is, with the exception of violence against women, which is sort of totally my deal, sometimes the plate gets filled up. For example, during the air-identification-zone mini-crisis with China, well, I was asked to go try to work that. And [Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo] Abe and [South Korean President] Park [Geun-hye], and I was asked to work that. In the meantime there were some things that came, everything from marijuana to drug control. And I was on another assignment. When Im in there, when were both in town, I attend every meeting [Obama] has.
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samnsara
(17,635 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,635 posts).....and deal with trump. OR you can move to legal land.
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)Its about institutional racism.
It's about POC being more likely to get arrested and more likely to get longer prison sentences than whites.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In the event you have not noticed, Joe Biden is not the Democratic nominee for president. There are better options.
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)Are you saying that the Democrats have to agree with Trump otherwise they'll lose?
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)and, after securing the nomination in the Democratic primary, he goes on to whoop tRumpy's azz in the general election!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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melman
(7,681 posts)Many many people agree.
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SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)It's a question not so fraught as is the case with guns, climate change or religion. Common sense is lacking in so many of these debates. It gets around our polarization by sticking to priorities vs ideology.
I voted in 2016 to make recreational pot legal in CA. But I wasn't keen on it. I still worry about the ripple effect.
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no_hypocrisy
(46,187 posts)If Joe Biden can win the 2020 general election, no pot, status quo.
If Donald Trump wins, also no pot --- and also no democracy.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)How about we wait to hear what his actual position is.
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)The position is consistent: he has been against legalization since the 70s. The two quotes don't change that position.
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Mersky
(4,986 posts)And at worst, an intentional takedown.
A lot can change in nine years. Like how legalization has gained broad support among the American people over those same years.
Additionally, one of the best qualities that I see in Biden is modeling how older folks can take on changing times. If he is still stuck on, gateway drug speak, then it needs to come from candidate Biden, not vice president Biden.
Btw, I like Harris. She is on my list of favorite candidates.
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I certainly disagree with by me on this but I'm not outraged
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)It's not about "getting high" it's about institutional racism.
PoC are arrested and sentenced to longer prison time than whites for the same offense
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FreeState
(10,580 posts)It touches on everything from prison reform to healthcare.
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janx
(24,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rollin74
(1,990 posts)in terms of job growth
The marijuana industry looks like the fastest-growing job market in the country
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/the-marijuana-industry-looks-like-the-fastest-growing-job-market-in-the-country.html
is Biden going to send all those people to the unemployment line because of his out of touch views?
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)His position is based on Antiquated long ago discounted fallacies. I seriously hope he reconsiders because it would cost him millions of votes which we cannot afford.
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rollin74
(1,990 posts)to go to the polls and vote for a hardline Prohibitionist
we need to do more to energize young voters not alienate them with more failed drug war
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rollin74
(1,990 posts)the clock and go back to prohibition?
I hope not. The voters of individual states should be able to decide at the very least.
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janx
(24,128 posts)1. During the Obama administration, the feds didn't go after states that legalized marijuana.
2. He wouldn't have to address his previous stance on the issue.
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robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Beto.
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dalton99a
(81,570 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,634 posts)I'm willing to wait until I know his current views on this before I condemn him. It's like sharks in a feeding frenzy on this thread.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)because it would be. As several posters above point out there are a lot of constituencies that need to be consulted even though the outcome is a foregone conclusion. And the legislative fog is thick. There will be time to tackle this tangle after the election.
p.s. my town votes on this at least once a year and still hasn't managed to figure out how to tax or regulate MJ dispensaries which appear to be doing very well
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)On this issue he's way off base.
This is an idiotic stance.
He's out of touch with the majority.
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dalton99a
(81,570 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2019, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
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Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)The Dem party needs to be better than this in 2019.
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donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)and are all like "who can possibly know what his position is now?? Has he said anything since then? How can we know?"
as if what he said here is not completely in line with his very long record as one of the most hawkish of drug warriors.
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And yup.
If the Statute of Limitations on stated positions is five years, then God only knows what Biden might be for or against by the end of a four year term as president.
Opposition to marijuana legalization is entirely consistent with Biden's lifetime of support for the drug war, and his personal issue with alcohol.
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LAS14
(13,783 posts)... apparently this is from 2010???? Why are we talking about it?
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)specific candidate he pulled way ahead of.
He has replaced Kamala as the lighting rod, because the perception was that she was the greater threat.
Expect more... WELL, THAT RULES HIM OUT AS A PROGRESSIVE! as he does better.
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)Which is consistent with his position since 1970s.
This. Is. Not. About. Getting. High.
This is an institutional racism issue. POC are more likely to get arrested for pot and on average get longer sentences than whites for the same thing.
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Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)/But keep trying...
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)If I am. If I'm wrong it's a big win in the fight to make our justice system more just.
He is a teetotaler that has held the same position on legalization of pot since the 70s. It's an unlikely outcome that he will measurably change his position but I will post an OP in this forum, happily if I'm wrong.
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Freethinker65
(10,048 posts)That is really the only valid question IF Biden is still personally against the legalization legislation.
A President does not legislate. Those single issue voters with marijuana legalization as their priority would be better off putting their energy to electing like minded House members and Senators.
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rollin74
(1,990 posts)if Democrats were to control both the House and Senate, there is a very good chance of federal cannabis prohibition ending
would Biden veto legislation to end prohibition?
I sure as hell hope not
however, based on his long record of cheerleading hardline drug war policies, I expect that he very well might veto such legislation
there is little reason to trust that he will adopt a more sensible and modern position unless and until he comes out and says so
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Anders8
(17 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)If we wanted to keep living in the past and never go forward, we wouldn't have to get rid of the hump.
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Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)So we're at a point when criticizing Biden's stance on cannabis can earn us posters a rebuke through DU policy. We can't criticize a Democratic leader. So I have to say, regardless, that Joe is going for the conservative Democratic southern vote by rejecting cannabis as a legal product. He knows that those who view cannabis as a legitimate and legal product will nonetheless have to hold their collective noses and vote for this fossil if he's nominated. Joe has some good reason to believe that Nancy Reagan's "Just say NO", campaign still has legs. We don't know what that reason is, except that perhaps Joe is examining the demographics and believes that the cannabis/gateway drug argument won't hurt him as much as getting negative press from below the Mason-Dixon line. His remark about cannabis might cause Democrats of a younger generation to more forcefully endorse politicians who haven't yet gone well beyond the qualifying age for Medicare.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)The International Association of Fire Fighters endorses @joebiden for President of the United States.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And that I can balance priorities.
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)From my OP
"In the primaries" being implied.
Never said it was a single issue.
Never said I wouldn't vote for him in GE.
Also clearly stated throughout this thread that it's not as rudimentary as being about "getting high" anyone with that simplistic of a view on this issue is either willfully ignorant or purposefully disingenuous.
Pot laws are part of a bigger institutional racism issue within our criminal justice system.
Legalization and purging of criminal records related to pot arrest would be a big step forward in correcting a significant built in injustice to our legal system.
That is why it matters.
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friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but others in this thread definitely appear so to be. It was a general comment not directed exclusively to you.
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