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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:13 PM Apr 2019

Can you spot the differences between these two emails?





One of these is "best practices" and is probably a good model for how our candidates and their campaigns treat each other.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Can you spot the differences between these two emails? (Original Post) tishaLA Apr 2019 OP
Yeah, I can tell the difference. madaboutharry Apr 2019 #1
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #45
Yes. Kamala Harris is the mensch. :) Hortensis Apr 2019 #93
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #95
Bernie is the quintessential political establishment.... LakeArenal Apr 2019 #2
W?T?F??????? hedda_foil Apr 2019 #14
Old white man in politics 50 years. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #21
Please. Wrote one best seller about where we go from here (That's the title) onit2day Apr 2019 #47
Are you saying I'm a troll? LakeArenal Apr 2019 #59
All of them want to raise taxes. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #70
A book where a chunk of the proceeds were shared with Amazon and WalMart. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #100
I often wonder why Bernie didn't put that book online for free. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #141
I'm no Bernie fan, but there's nothing wrong with making money through your work. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #88
When one villifies other politicians for being wealthy, and then one politician becomes ehrnst Apr 2019 #96
Sanders didn't vilify wealthy people, that I heard. I think you took a leap there. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #104
Granted, he's changed his language to "billionaire class" from "millionaires" but he said ehrnst Apr 2019 #107
that's a GOP talking point -- how can Al Gore talk about climate change, wheb he uses electricity? pdsimdars Apr 2019 #116
How is pointing out the demographics of VT "stupid GOP reasoning." ehrnst Apr 2019 #118
Bernie and his.devotees have spent the last 4 years railing Ninsianna Apr 2019 #111
Wow, that so sounds like something cooked up in a troll factory. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #114
Yup. . . think you got it on the head. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #117
How interesting, I have no personal experience with Ninsianna Apr 2019 #124
"Wow, that so sounds like something cooked up in a troll factory." ehrnst Apr 2019 #129
No, trolls are against Democrats: "Sanders and Trump -- we support them." betsuni Apr 2019 #135
If Hillary had said "I didn't know it was a crime to be a highly sought after speaker" in the GE ehrnst Apr 2019 #120
You forgot a rather key piece: Amimnoch Apr 2019 #97
Lake is correct. murielm99 Apr 2019 #109
I know what you mean.. Cha Apr 2019 #20
To you maybe but there's a reason he's leading and not because he's divisive onit2day Apr 2019 #48
My observation is that some people are still fighting 2016. nt Gore1FL Apr 2019 #53
Bernie's reads straight out of 2016. R B Garr Apr 2019 #77
I love your name!! Chin music Apr 2019 #79
No "maybe" about it..it's overkill and Cha Apr 2019 #62
Well. He's not leading. He is divisive, and he says hateful things about Democrats. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #71
Exaclty, Maru.. I'm pointing Cha Apr 2019 #150
The OP shows differently. And I think that's one reason that he won't ehrnst Apr 2019 #122
you cannot be serious Kurt V. Apr 2019 #27
You can't be serious LakeArenal Apr 2019 #31
Can you believe this petty crap. Geez. Hope the debates are more respectful onit2day Apr 2019 #50
What's the problem? Cha May 2019 #151
Please just stop. Bernie isn't our adversary. gateley Apr 2019 #73
I'm not tearing down Bernie... LakeArenal Apr 2019 #80
How do you think that makes Bernie's supporters feel? gateley Apr 2019 #82
Again I don't get the insult. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #83
To be fair... WeekiWater Apr 2019 #101
Noted, and you're right. nt gateley Apr 2019 #103
Who wrote the emails? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #3
My understanding is that he requires his own signoff on every email. ehrnst Apr 2019 #123
There are 2 emails. One on hte left has no indication who it's by. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #125
The one on the right has the official Sanders campaign logo, and ehrnst Apr 2019 #128
I like Joe. Kamala likes Joe. I like Kamala. Joe likes Kamala. nolabear Apr 2019 #4
I like Joe and Kamala. And Kamala and Joe. C_U_L8R Apr 2019 #33
They felt like a winning ticket before either had announced. Control-Z Apr 2019 #81
WOW Gothmog Apr 2019 #5
Sure. One is about a Democrat, that has been a Democrat since 1969, democratisphere Apr 2019 #6
Damn I was going to go there but I wasn't sure that was okay tymorial Apr 2019 #10
Biden did promote a Republican candidate in 2018 delisen Apr 2019 #89
The smallest margin of his career? namahage Apr 2019 #105
Biden praise for Republican candidate Upton delisen Apr 2019 #106
A uniter not a divider??? As you try to divide people. Duh! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #119
Divide committed Democrats, hardly. All voters should avoid hypocrisy of any type. democratisphere Apr 2019 #143
So superficial. The label doesn't capture the quality of the goods. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #145
The difference is one candidate I support and the other ..... not so much. dem4decades Apr 2019 #7
I can spot an anti-Semitic twitter troll melman Apr 2019 #8
Boom! (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2019 #11
Which one do you think is the "anti-Semitic twitter troll", Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders? George II Apr 2019 #13
Boring game melman Apr 2019 #15
Then don't start games you are unwilling to play, nor finish. Unbelievable. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #17
. George II Apr 2019 #26
+1!! Cha Apr 2019 #36
take your ball and go home ? stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #58
You started it, but scold others and leave the table when they call out the Calvin Ball rules. ehrnst Apr 2019 #99
Look who's Cha Apr 2019 #22
.... George II Apr 2019 #24
That's Cha Apr 2019 #25
The Harris letter was a fundraising appeal from her campaign SharonClark Apr 2019 #41
They're emails that were sent on behalf of the Harris and Sanders Campaigns.... George II Apr 2019 #46
And you received that email from Sanders? SharonClark Apr 2019 #49
. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #28
Really? blur256 Apr 2019 #37
Yes melman Apr 2019 #38
Wow, that charge was pulled out of nowhere. Blue_true Apr 2019 #39
No it really wasn't melman Apr 2019 #40
Please do. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #42
No melman Apr 2019 #44
I honestly DON'T know what you are talking about. Blue_true Apr 2019 #56
It's Bravenak progressoid Apr 2019 #126
I saw that she could be very outspoken, in particular on sexual slavery and racial Blue_true Apr 2019 #133
... progressoid Apr 2019 #138
You proved the point that I made. Blue_true Apr 2019 #139
She also got banned from Reddit Rob H. Apr 2019 #140
Whoa. progressoid Apr 2019 #144
The only history is that she is not a Bernie supporter. nt R B Garr Apr 2019 #74
Here is bravenak. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #87
'Zactly. Cha Apr 2019 #98
She was very clear on that. But she seemed to love Hillary. Blue_true Apr 2019 #134
No, she didn't love Hillary. betsuni Apr 2019 #136
No, it was't pulled out of nowhere - that false charge has been thrown at some for several years.... George II Apr 2019 #54
Do you understand what the poster was claiming? Because I honestly don't. Blue_true Apr 2019 #57
It was a common charge leveled by some at people here a few years ago, even.... George II Apr 2019 #67
Hey would you look at that melman Apr 2019 #64
Not strange, you revealed yourself in subsequent posts. Now, if you could only explain yourself. George II Apr 2019 #65
Explain what? melman Apr 2019 #66
So, you've now thrown out "anti-Semitic" and then "bigotry", but won't explain from where it comes.. George II Apr 2019 #69
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #75
oh melman. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #84
you're joking, right? doctorzuma Apr 2019 #60
LOL. Both emails are real. betsuni Apr 2019 #91
That's an odd thing to call Bernie. He has his issues, but you Ninsianna Apr 2019 #113
A banned anti-Semitic twitter troll. Banned from multiple places. Autumn Apr 2019 #137
I can't. It's not because I can't describe the difference tymorial Apr 2019 #9
One is from a Democrat who is a team player and recognizes the importance of this election.... George II Apr 2019 #12
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Apr 2019 #35
You mean one is an FDR candidate. Great. I'm so excited onit2day Apr 2019 #51
I don't know what that means. George II Apr 2019 #52
A really poor comparison. Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #90
You are hilarious when you get all anti-Bernie hissy-pissy. nt Gore1FL Apr 2019 #55
... George II Apr 2019 #61
yep. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #85
Kamala's is inclusive NYMinute Apr 2019 #16
I tell ya one thing...one of those emails reminds me of rump email tactics and 'pleas'. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #18
Wow! mcar Apr 2019 #19
Yeah, typical Divisive "establishment" BULL. Cha Apr 2019 #23
You nailed it! SunSeeker Apr 2019 #110
yep they will. its called democracy Kurt V. Apr 2019 #29
Yes... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #30
One campaign is being gracious and welcoming and the other is not MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #32
One is in the style of Joe Biden, the other is straight from the Donald Trump playbook. Doodley Apr 2019 #34
"In man's struggle against the world, bet on the world." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #43
Isn't that Bravenak? Quackers Apr 2019 #63
Is it? tishaLA Apr 2019 #68
Its all good. Quackers Apr 2019 #72
Sadly moniss Apr 2019 #130
If is what is. CentralMass Apr 2019 #76
Why one will never get my vote.... Historic NY Apr 2019 #78
Is the DU exhiled Bravenak still focusing on Bernie? aikoaiko Apr 2019 #86
My emails from Sanders & Warren said this. Never got the one posted. But I donated. Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #92
Promoting Democratic Unity vs Not Promoting Democratic Unity (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #94
From my twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2019 #102
LOL! he can't help Cha Apr 2019 #112
It's not enough to say, 'I don't eat canapes, vote for me.' betsuni Apr 2019 #115
I am really disgusted by this. I understand it's politics and normally we go after each other but UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #142
That was to be expected Progressive dog Apr 2019 #108
The left email was from Kamala Harris. honest.abe Apr 2019 #121
Perhaps you did misunderstand Progressive dog Apr 2019 #146
Still don't get what you were trying to say. honest.abe Apr 2019 #147
I was just agreeing with the Kamala Harris campaign's email. Progressive dog Apr 2019 #148
Got it. honest.abe Apr 2019 #149
One of the many reasons I love Kamala coeur_de_lion Apr 2019 #127
She's no dummy; she's setting it up for Biden/Harris 2020. RedSpartan Apr 2019 #131
Bernie the one-trick pony lanlady Apr 2019 #132
 

madaboutharry

(40,216 posts)
1. Yeah, I can tell the difference.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:17 PM
Apr 2019

Each email reflects the character and temperament of the candidate. It always comes from the top.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to madaboutharry (Reply #1)

 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
93. Yes. Kamala Harris is the mensch. :)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:01 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
2. Bernie is the quintessential political establishment....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
21. Old white man in politics 50 years.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:13 PM
Apr 2019

A millionaire even. Made money writing books about himself in politics.

Career politician.

That’s T! F!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
47. Please. Wrote one best seller about where we go from here (That's the title)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:35 PM
Apr 2019

Russian trolls will appear just like that. This is a distorted comment of innuendo. Of course he's a career politician. It's not jury duty and he just became a millionaire but still wants to increase his taxes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
59. Are you saying I'm a troll?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:15 PM
Apr 2019

That’s a bit slanderous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
70. All of them want to raise taxes.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:46 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
100. A book where a chunk of the proceeds were shared with Amazon and WalMart. (nt)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:24 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
141. I often wonder why Bernie didn't put that book online for free. nt
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:49 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
88. I'm no Bernie fan, but there's nothing wrong with making money through your work.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:23 AM
Apr 2019

That's how you make a living.

Do you make money by working?

There's nothing wrong with being a career politician, either. Everyone has a knack for doing something. He's good at being a politician, apparently. At least voters in Vermont think so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. When one villifies other politicians for being wealthy, and then one politician becomes
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:08 AM
Apr 2019

wealthy, then one gets very defensive and testy when asked about their previous statements, that is what is disturbing.

His supporters on FB passed around memes EVISCERATING Patrick Kennedy III for, among other things, "being wealthier than most in congress" the very morning after his very well received response to SOTU, when people were talking about him being POTUS material. I'd link to one, but one that was posted at DU was removed, and for good reason.

A small, 97% white, population is the constituency that keeps re-electing Bernie, and it was with the help of Chuck Schumer blocking the way for any Dems to challenge him that he got elected to the Senate, and mechanisms that prevent any Democrats who challenge him from getting funding and other resources from the Party allow him to run pretty much unopposed in primaries in VT.

And his approval rating among his constituents has gone down since December, according to the Morning Consult tracking poll.

His constituency benefits from him staying in the Senate. He has some seniority now, so he can serve on committees, and the Democratic Party has rolled the red carpet out for him for decades so he can caucus with us. He always portrays himself as the maverick, and not tainted by any "status quo" notions of being good at what "beltway insiders" do well.

John McCain kept getting re-elected for similar reasons by a similar demographic, and got still enjoyed support from his constituents even when he was showing signs of undiagnosed brain cancer, and losing cognitive ability.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
104. Sanders didn't vilify wealthy people, that I heard. I think you took a leap there.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:41 AM
Apr 2019

As far as I recall, he vilified behavior by certain "millionaires and billionaires." He never said that people with money are bad people.

It was always implied that he was clarifying that the wealthy people were the ones passing the unfair tax cuts or whatever. Of course he didn't mean ALL wealthy people.

As for his voters, it doesn't matter that they are white Vermonters. He is a good Senator, in the opinion of the voters of Vermont. Not cool to diss voters because they are in a small state or because of their race.

I didn't read anything about Sanders criticizing Joe Kennedy. But Sanders is grumpy, negative, disagreeable, and criticizes everyone but himself. So that wouldn't surprise me. (Sanders has a personal thing against the whole Kennedy family, I think.) Sanders giving his own competing speech with Kennedy's was proof positive, to me, that he wasn't a Democrat at heart and didn't have the Democratic Party in consideration.

Look, I don't like him. And I KNEW when he ran for President last time, that at least half of the reason was to get more known nationally and to make money. It wasn't to get elected President. (This is the reason most of the current candidates are running, too.) Everyone wants money, even if they rail against the wealthy, when they are not wealthy (yet).

To me, him making some money is irrelevant and not contrary to what I've heard him say about the behavior of the top wealthy class. I wish he'd go away and stop making trouble, but the money thing poses no problem for me. Sanders collected a salary for decades. He likes money. We ALL like money and want more of it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
107. Granted, he's changed his language to "billionaire class" from "millionaires" but he said
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:34 AM
Apr 2019

"There is something profoundly wrong when we have a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires at the same time as millions of Americans work longer hours for lower wages."

That wasn't about "taxes," that was about the negatives of new millionaires cropping up

So when he's asked about his current new millionaire status, getting defensive isn't a good look.

I don't care what he makes, or how many houses he has. He talks about how he "never changes" but then when he does change his message concerning Millionaires when he becomes one, and then gets defensive when someone holds him to his previous statements, that's where I see a double standard, one for him, and one for the rest of the 1%.

He rants about other people making money for giving speeches to groups, but if someone who did had given this response to him, "Well if you want to become a millionaire, then you can be a highly sought after speaker when you're out of office," he would have railed against that as corrupt, greedy and tone deaf, and typical of an out of touch, establishment oligharch.

When he said "I didn't know it was a crime to write a good book," I imagined how he and his supporters might have reacted if Hillary had said, "I didn't know it was a crime to be a highly sought after speaker."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
116. that's a GOP talking point -- how can Al Gore talk about climate change, wheb he uses electricity?
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:41 PM
Apr 2019

Stupid GOP reasoning. . . .

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
118. How is pointing out the demographics of VT "stupid GOP reasoning."
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:42 PM
Apr 2019

How is comparing his words from 4 years ago to the ones he uses today "stupid GOP reasoning?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
111. Bernie and his.devotees have spent the last 4 years railing
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

at people making a living for being paid for their work. He kinda sucks at doing anything for Vters, but he robs them of choice of an actual Democrat, so they're not being represented. Their state party colluded with this rigging

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mountain grammy

(26,641 posts)
114. Wow, that so sounds like something cooked up in a troll factory.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:56 PM
Apr 2019

hyperbole much?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
117. Yup. . . think you got it on the head.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:42 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
124. How interesting, I have no personal experience with
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:59 PM
Apr 2019

how troll farms work, but I'll take the word of an experienced individual I guess. But no hyperbole on my end, just simple truths that the troll farmers have been demonstrating for 4 straight years. They do love hyperbole and adore their hypocrisy. They have rules for others that don't apply to the client candidate. Is that what you're referring to? I only have experience with how these trolls and their farms work, I have no clue how to evaluate your insiders perspective.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
129. "Wow, that so sounds like something cooked up in a troll factory."
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 03:17 PM
Apr 2019

Hyperbole much?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,582 posts)
135. No, trolls are against Democrats: "Sanders and Trump -- we support them."
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:57 PM
Apr 2019

Insisting the last primary was rigged and that everyone except Sanders is corrupt and bought off by corporations and Wall St. actually was promoted by the troll factories.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
120. If Hillary had said "I didn't know it was a crime to be a highly sought after speaker" in the GE
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:45 PM
Apr 2019

the reaction from Sanders and his supporters would have been immediate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
97. You forgot a rather key piece:
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:12 AM
Apr 2019

Wrote a book about himself, and made a lot of money using his campaign funds to buy em up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

murielm99

(30,754 posts)
109. Lake is correct.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:21 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie went to Washington two years before those (establishment) Clintons. He has held federal office for a loooong time.

What could be more establishment than that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
20. I know what you mean..
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:12 PM
Apr 2019

and he divides everyone else with his buzzword.. but it's been overkilled and means absolutely nothing..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
48. To you maybe but there's a reason he's leading and not because he's divisive
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:37 PM
Apr 2019

But you will vote for him if he's our candidate right so why be so hateful?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gore1FL

(21,141 posts)
53. My observation is that some people are still fighting 2016. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:55 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,966 posts)
77. Bernie's reads straight out of 2016.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:08 PM
Apr 2019

That’s the “some people”.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
79. I love your name!!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:10 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
62. No "maybe" about it..it's overkill and
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:31 PM
Apr 2019

divisive like they're going for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
71. Well. He's not leading. He is divisive, and he says hateful things about Democrats.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:48 PM
Apr 2019

So, anyway, I don't expect Bernard to be an issue much longer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
150. Exaclty, Maru.. I'm pointing
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:18 AM
Apr 2019

out facts and he calls it "hateful".

Harry Truman's famous quote comes to mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
122. The OP shows differently. And I think that's one reason that he won't
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:49 PM
Apr 2019

be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
27. you cannot be serious
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:28 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
31. You can't be serious
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:33 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
50. Can you believe this petty crap. Geez. Hope the debates are more respectful
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:40 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
151. What's the problem?
Wed May 8, 2019, 11:58 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gateley

(62,683 posts)
73. Please just stop. Bernie isn't our adversary.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:51 PM
Apr 2019

We don't need to tear down others on our side, it's pointless and very Trump-supporter-ish. We're bigger than that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
80. I'm not tearing down Bernie...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:36 PM
Apr 2019

Geez. I just think it’s foolish to say he isn’t an establishment politician.
What wrong with being in the establishment? I don’t get the insult there.

To me it’s a backhand slap at Biden anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gateley

(62,683 posts)
82. How do you think that makes Bernie's supporters feel?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:55 PM
Apr 2019

It can be upsetting to me when people make similar statements about Biden -- and it accomplishes nothing except to get a skirmish going and to what end? How does that help anybody?

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intent. I may be over-sensitive because I saw DU devolve into a boiling pit of ugliness in 2008 and I couldn't bear to see DUers at each others' throats all the time instead of banding together and uniting against the Republican.

Peace.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
83. Again I don't get the insult.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:01 AM
Apr 2019

Anti-establishment seems so 1960’s

I’m glad Biden is established. That is wha t makes him the most qualified of the bunch.

Working within the construct of an established government for fifty years does not make anyone an outsider.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
101. To be fair...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:43 AM
Apr 2019

You just called him Trump supporter-ish and then are wondering how their comments make Sanders supporters feel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gateley

(62,683 posts)
103. Noted, and you're right. nt
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:16 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. Who wrote the emails? nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
123. My understanding is that he requires his own signoff on every email.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:57 PM
Apr 2019

He's a well known micromanager.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
125. There are 2 emails. One on hte left has no indication who it's by.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 03:04 PM
Apr 2019

I assume the one on the right is by Bernie (or on his behalf).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
128. The one on the right has the official Sanders campaign logo, and
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 03:16 PM
Apr 2019

is asking for $$ for his campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,990 posts)
4. I like Joe. Kamala likes Joe. I like Kamala. Joe likes Kamala.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019

I don’t feel as though any of that makes a difference in the other column.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

C_U_L8R

(45,013 posts)
33. I like Joe and Kamala. And Kamala and Joe.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:38 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
81. They felt like a winning ticket before either had announced.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:52 PM
Apr 2019

Sometimes I wish we were weighing the full ticket during primaries. But it's better the way it is. Kamala deserves her chance to be at the top of her ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
6. Sure. One is about a Democrat, that has been a Democrat since 1969,
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:43 PM
Apr 2019

and views the opposition to be drumpf and the rethuglicons. The other is about a Democrat of convenience that views the opposition to be other Democratic Presidential candidate contenders. We need a massive uniter, certainly not a divider. What was that about those nasty special interest millionaires and billionaires. Some decisions are made easy.
I like the ticket of Joe Biden / Kamala Harris which would provide Democrats with the best of the whole world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
10. Damn I was going to go there but I wasn't sure that was okay
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:54 PM
Apr 2019

You are right one IS a Democrat

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
89. Biden did promote a Republican candidate in 2018
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:49 AM
Apr 2019

and did not respond to the Democratic challenger's request to Biden to say something positive about him. The Republican was able to keep his seat by the smallest margin of his career.


NY Times
Jan. 24, 2019
Alexander Burns

Joseph R. Biden Jr. defended his decision to praise an embattled Republican lawmaker during a paid speech in Michigan last fall, telling a group of mayors on Thursday morning that it reflected his philosophy of how to “get things done.”

The New York Times reported on Wednesday that Mr. Biden had earned $200,000 for an October speaking engagement in Benton Harbor, Mich., three weeks before the midterm elections. During that speech, Mr. Biden gave a glowing commendation to Representative Fred Upton, a powerful Republican who joined with Mr. Biden to increase funding for cancer research and, separately, helped forge legislation to gut the Affordable Care Act.

In Washington Thursday, Mr. Biden offered a forceful defense of his supportive remarks about Mr. Upton, signaling that he has no intention of blunting his instinct toward bipartisanship and compromise in the event that he runs for president. The former vice president has told allies in recent weeks that he is leaning toward running against President Trump in 2020.

“I read in The New York Times today that I — that one of my problems is if I ever run for president, I like Republicans,” Mr. Biden said, according to a video posted by the public-affairs network C-Span.
.........................................end.................................................

Matt Longjohn, the democratic challenger tried to get Biden to say something positive about him-but claims Biden never even responded to his request. Upton the republican Biden praised won by 4.5 points-smallest margin of his career,
he paper. (Upton ultimately won by 4.5 points, the smallest margin of his career.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

namahage

(1,157 posts)
105. The smallest margin of his career?
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

So you’re saying if Biden didn’t give the speech, his margin of victory would have been even bigger?

Clearly, then, Joe needs to do more of them and pocket Republican cash while cutting into their numbers?

Or maybe, just maybe, Biden’s speech did not affect the numbers in any meaningful way?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
106. Biden praise for Republican candidate Upton
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:30 AM
Apr 2019

If you need a clarification and don't want to open the link I provided to the New York Times article:

Fred Upton, the Republican praised by Joseph Biden, in a paid speech $200,000 in Michigan, used Biden's words of praise in his re-election campaign in 2018. Matt Longjohn asked Biden to offer some positive words for himself as the Democratic candidate trying to unseat Upton. Biden did not respond to the Democrat Longjohn. Upton then went on to win re-election by 4.5 points the smallest margin of his career (as reported by N Y Times).

If you want further clarification or want to dispute the NY Times article here again is the link and a different excerpt:

Both The Republican representative and the Democratic challenger are probably also available to discuss - video are available online.

<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/us/politics/biden-praise-republican-speaking-fee.html>
Mr. Biden did not mention the speaking fee he received for his trip to Michigan, or address Mr. Upton’s role in the drive to repeal the Obama administration’s signature health care law, two dimensions of his Benton Harbor appearance that complicate Mr. Biden’s depiction of his remarks as a case study in old-school conciliation.

In a statement published Wednesday, Mr. Upton described Mr. Biden’s praise for him as a surprise and an “immense honor.”

Mr. Biden campaigned widely around the country during the midterm elections and made a particularly strong effort for Democrats in the Midwest, including elsewhere in Michigan.

But in Mr. Upton’s district, Mr. Biden’s favorable comments were used in Republican advertising in the final weeks of his re-election campaign against Matt Longjohn, a Democrat who was a national Y.M.C.A. health official. Mr. Upton ultimately won re-election by four and a half percentage points, the narrowest margin of his career.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
119. A uniter not a divider??? As you try to divide people. Duh!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:44 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
143. Divide committed Democrats, hardly. All voters should avoid hypocrisy of any type.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:29 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
145. So superficial. The label doesn't capture the quality of the goods.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 05:21 AM
Apr 2019

There was a great article about how the DCCC's new policy is supporting an anti-gay, anti-choice Democrat over a progressive Democratic challenger.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/progressives-dccc-primary-challengers-vendor-policy_n_5cc36adde4b04eb7ff95d2e1

That is the superficiality of that thinking, not really interested in what they stand for, just the label. So, you'd rather have a Democrat with un-Democratic policies than a real progressive because of the label. I guess that's the kind of thinking that got us here, very shallow unsubstantive thinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dem4decades

(11,300 posts)
7. The difference is one candidate I support and the other ..... not so much.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:47 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
8. I can spot an anti-Semitic twitter troll
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:48 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Which one do you think is the "anti-Semitic twitter troll", Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:00 PM
Apr 2019

Those are the two people from whom those emails came.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
15. Boring game
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:01 PM
Apr 2019

Not playing it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
17. Then don't start games you are unwilling to play, nor finish. Unbelievable. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:05 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
58. take your ball and go home ?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:08 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
99. You started it, but scold others and leave the table when they call out the Calvin Ball rules.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:19 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
22. Look who's
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:14 PM
Apr 2019

wagging his finger.. smh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
25. That's
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:23 PM
Apr 2019

a sweet headshake!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
41. The Harris letter was a fundraising appeal from her campaign
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:19 PM
Apr 2019

so it's legitimate.

Who wrote the Sanders' letter? The Sanders campaign or a divisive troll?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. They're emails that were sent on behalf of the Harris and Sanders Campaigns....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:31 PM
Apr 2019

The one on the left is from the Harris Campaign, written in the first person, and the one on the right is from the Sanders Campaign, also written in the first person.

As they announced, I signed up to be on the mailing lists from most of the major candidates - Harris, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Booker, etc., and now Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
49. And you received that email from Sanders?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:37 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blur256

(979 posts)
37. Really?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:00 PM
Apr 2019

Or maybe it has to do with divisiveness of that email. Especially coming from Sanders who today pledged that he would support the Democratic nominee no matter what. But ok.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. Wow, that charge was pulled out of nowhere.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:11 PM
Apr 2019

Why don't you accuse the Twitter person of trying to wipe out the Rhinos?

She saw a clear difference in how two campaigns saw the same event. One campaign was like "Great, now let's put our ideas before voters" and the other campaign was like "Well, we knew that they were going to try to hurt us, that is all they do, so let's burrow deeper into our bunker". The difference was clear and does not have SHIT to do with anti-semitism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
40. No it really wasn't
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:16 PM
Apr 2019

There's a history there. It's easy to find if you're actually interested.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
44. No
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:29 PM
Apr 2019

I meant it very easy for you to find. I'm not going to dig it up for you.

Anyone who's been here long enough knows exactly what I'm talking about.

And I suspect you do as well. But if you really don't it is very easy to find.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
56. I honestly DON'T know what you are talking about.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:59 PM
Apr 2019

And if you are going to level a charge like the one you did, it is imperative upon YOU to prove it, otherwise I will just write the charge off as over-heated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
126. It's Bravenak
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 03:04 PM
Apr 2019

She was banned here and at Kos. She on her 5th or 6th account on Twitter due to repeated banning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
133. I saw that she could be very outspoken, in particular on sexual slavery and racial
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:25 PM
Apr 2019

issues. But I never saw her write something that was anti-Semitic. She did not like Bernie much, but her reasons were typically political in nature. I did NOT read ALL of her posts, she was pretty driven on arguments at times and that was a but off putting to me, but like I wrote, the posts of hers that I read did not have anti-semitism in them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
139. You proved the point that I made.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:42 PM
Apr 2019

I found that she could be overly emotional and intemperate, but that does not make her what you claimed. A case in point. The last of the posts that I saw from her here was on prostitution after the Robert Kraft situation broke. She pretty much called anyone that opined that some forms of prostitution were voluntary on the part of everyone involved unfeeling and barbaric scumbags that should be jailed. Her intensity on that point still sticks with me today. I gave her the benefit of doubt for her (to me) over the top reaction because I reasoned that maybe she saw some things that I didn't see, given that she worked with women and girls that were victims of sex slaves. I actually thought that she chose to take a break from DU, due to her strong reactions in that particular thread.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
140. She also got banned from Reddit
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:45 PM
Apr 2019

I didn’t know that getting banned from there was even possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
144. Whoa.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:14 PM
Apr 2019

That's quite a feat!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,966 posts)
74. The only history is that she is not a Bernie supporter. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:54 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,835 posts)
87. Here is bravenak.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:54 AM
Apr 2019


Woman. Warrior.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
134. She was very clear on that. But she seemed to love Hillary.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:28 PM
Apr 2019

I am NOT refighting the 2016 primary, but it did leave people on all sides a little raw. Maybe that played strong with some more than others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,582 posts)
136. No, she didn't love Hillary.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:09 PM
Apr 2019

She was a strong Bernie supporter but was so appalled by their behavior at Bernie events that she switched to Hillary. She was harassed, still is. She said that the Hillary people were nice and welcomed her, a big difference. If anyone had actually read posts in the AA group they'd know that nobody much liked Hillary, but for some reason it was assumed they were.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. No, it was't pulled out of nowhere - that false charge has been thrown at some for several years....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:55 PM
Apr 2019

....I'm just surprised it's still being used. Sad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
57. Do you understand what the poster was claiming? Because I honestly don't.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:02 PM
Apr 2019

It seems like a pretty serious charge to just level against someone. When I read the OP, I didn't see anything that was remotely anti-semitism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
67. It was a common charge leveled by some at people here a few years ago, even....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:41 PM
Apr 2019

...thrown out at some who are Jewish or have Jewish heritage in their background! But, if you didn't toe the line you were "anti-Semitic". I'm disappointed that the charge has reared it's ugly head here in 2019. Sad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
64. Hey would you look at that
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:35 PM
Apr 2019

You suddenly know what I was referring to..


Yet in this post here you acted like you didn't..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=90492


How strange.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Not strange, you revealed yourself in subsequent posts. Now, if you could only explain yourself.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:39 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
66. Explain what?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:41 PM
Apr 2019

Being opposed to bigotry? I wouldn't think that would need to be explained.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. So, you've now thrown out "anti-Semitic" and then "bigotry", but won't explain from where it comes..
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:45 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to George II (Reply #69)

 

doctorzuma

(44 posts)
60. you're joking, right?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:19 PM
Apr 2019

i'm sure in your head you've got your reasons but don't be surprised if you're the only one seeing this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,582 posts)
91. LOL. Both emails are real.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 04:57 AM
Apr 2019

Again, attacking the messenger doesn't work when things are real.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
113. That's an odd thing to call Bernie. He has his issues, but you
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:43 PM
Apr 2019

go too far.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
137. A banned anti-Semitic twitter troll. Banned from multiple places.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:56 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
9. I can't. It's not because I can't describe the difference
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:52 PM
Apr 2019

It's because I am rapidly approaching significant aggravation. To do so would probably cause an alert.

I will say this. I am so over this garbage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. One is from a Democrat who is a team player and recognizes the importance of this election....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:58 PM
Apr 2019

... no matter who wins the Democratic nomination. The other? No comment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
51. You mean one is an FDR candidate. Great. I'm so excited
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:41 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
52. I don't know what that means.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:51 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)
90. A really poor comparison.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:27 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gore1FL

(21,141 posts)
55. You are hilarious when you get all anti-Bernie hissy-pissy. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:57 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
16. Kamala's is inclusive
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:05 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie's is adversarial.

What do I win?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
18. I tell ya one thing...one of those emails reminds me of rump email tactics and 'pleas'.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:06 PM
Apr 2019

Very unbecoming to say the least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,362 posts)
19. Wow!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:06 PM
Apr 2019

Quite a difference. One is worried, I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
23. Yeah, typical Divisive "establishment" BULL.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:17 PM
Apr 2019

One is scared..

Kamala is inclusive!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(51,612 posts)
110. You nailed it!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:34 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
29. yep they will. its called democracy
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:30 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
30. Yes...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:31 PM
Apr 2019

… one approach is far better than the other - it's obvious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MustLoveBeagles

(11,628 posts)
32. One campaign is being gracious and welcoming and the other is not
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:34 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)

As a 2016 Bernie supporter this is very disappointing to me. This negativity is off-putting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doodley

(9,118 posts)
34. One is in the style of Joe Biden, the other is straight from the Donald Trump playbook.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:42 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
43. "In man's struggle against the world, bet on the world."
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:25 PM
Apr 2019

-Franz Kafka

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
63. Isn't that Bravenak?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:33 PM
Apr 2019

I haven’t seen her post in a while, though I took a break after the hack on DU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
68. Is it?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:43 PM
Apr 2019

Oh. I didn't realize

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
72. Its all good.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:49 PM
Apr 2019

I don’t post a lot but definitely recognize names. It’s kinda like going through social media and finding someone you hadn’t seen in a while. It got me to looking for other DUers. So many big names that have left, been banned, or have passed on. It’s a lonely feeling, if that makes sense. Anyways, I searched DU about her and figured out what happened. Sorry for the distraction from your OP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

moniss

(4,274 posts)
130. Sadly
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 04:14 PM
Apr 2019

I think you are correct. It got so bad here on DU in 2016 that I stopped even checking the page. The mindless trolling and vitriol was overwhelming. Same at Raw Story, Daily Kos and others. Do people still not realize that this is part of what the Russian troll gig is all about? They create a fake persona and then come to places like DU and start this crap of one against the other and they have more trolls who post in the comment section to make it look like opinion is really going one way or the other. Is anybody really so dim that they don't think that the Russians have opposition research on every single Democratic candidate and have formulated specific plans on how to characterize and attack each one of them BOTH in the primaries and the general election? Don't play this game people. We don't have to. Stick to policies and issues. Don't fall into the trap.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
78. Why one will never get my vote....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:09 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,182 posts)
86. Is the DU exhiled Bravenak still focusing on Bernie?
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:48 AM
Apr 2019

That’s funny. I miss her though.


I like both letters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nanjeanne

(4,970 posts)
92. My emails from Sanders & Warren said this. Never got the one posted. But I donated.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:52 AM
Apr 2019
Xxx

This campaign was never going to be easy.

From the start, we knew it would take an unprecedented grassroots effort in order to win this nomination.

Not only are we taking on a political and corporate establishment that will do and spend whatever it takes to stop us, but we are running against a record number of candidates at the same time.

And today, there is one more candidate in the race.

That makes today a big day for our campaign — and an important moment to show that we are the ones who can beat Trump and transform this country. So we are asking – especially today:

Can you make a contribution to our campaign today? We’ll put it right to work on the fight to win this nomination, while sending a message that ours is the campaign that will beat Trump and transform our country.


Got Warrens

XXXX,

We only have five days left to hit our April fundraising goal — and as of this morning, we’re tracking a little behind.

The stakes are high right now. Meeting our goal before this deadline will make sure we’re able to grow this movement, and increase the number of states we’re organizing in at the pace we need to win.

But even though the pressure is high, you won’t see Elizabeth resort to hopping around big cities to host swanky fundraisers with wealthy donors.

You won’t see Elizabeth take a dime from federally registered lobbyists, corporate PACs, or PACs of any kind. You won’t see Elizabeth cozy up to billionaires and nudge them to dump buckets of cash into a Super PAC for her.

Instead, grassroots donors are the only people who fund our campaign. Nina, can you make a $3 contribution today? Every new contribution that comes in will help our campaign get back on track to hitting this important April fundraising goal.

Hitting this fundraising goal is just the first step of Elizabeth’s plan to put power in the hands of the people, where it belongs — not in the clutches of the rich and powerful.

Elizabeth has a plan to make big, structural change — the type of change that rips out the root causes of the deep problems in our economy, our government, and our democracy.

Because let’s face it: There are systemic problems that led to someone like Donald Trump getting elected in the first place. He’s only the symptom, not the cause, of the crises we face.

To make real change, we need to build a massive grassroots movement, and we need bold ideas.

That’s what Elizabeth is focused on.

Instead of catering to wealthy and well-connected donors, she’ll spend the next few days at meet and greets and organizing events with people in Iowa and Nevada. And she’ll keep proposing substantive ideas that would level the playing field for working people.

Elizabeth’s time is not for sale, and she’s running to be the best president that money can’t buy. This movement is only possible because of support from people like you.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
94. Promoting Democratic Unity vs Not Promoting Democratic Unity (nt)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:55 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,447 posts)
112. LOL! he can't help
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:39 PM
Apr 2019

himself.. his Buzzwords will not be taken away!

Joe Biden is a Uniter!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,582 posts)
115. It's not enough to say, 'I don't eat canapes, vote for me.'
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:05 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
142. I am really disgusted by this. I understand it's politics and normally we go after each other but
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:52 PM
Apr 2019

with the last 4 years filled with such hate and division I will think very unkindly about candidates who do this.

I would of preferred them make a pledge to not go after each other because no matter what kind of Dem you are we all have a common goal which is to beat rump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,915 posts)
108. That was to be expected
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019

Joe Biden is an example of the best of American politicians.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,680 posts)
121. The left email was from Kamala Harris.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:46 PM
Apr 2019

Maybe you didnt notice that. Or perhaps I misunderstood your post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,915 posts)
146. Perhaps you did misunderstand
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 07:22 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,680 posts)
147. Still don't get what you were trying to say.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:28 AM
Apr 2019

It doesn't matter but I agree that Joe is one of the best regardless.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,915 posts)
148. I was just agreeing with the Kamala Harris campaign's email.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:20 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
127. One of the many reasons I love Kamala
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 03:10 PM
Apr 2019

She is what this country needs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
131. She's no dummy; she's setting it up for Biden/Harris 2020.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 05:56 PM
Apr 2019

I love it. Unbeatable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lanlady

(7,135 posts)
132. Bernie the one-trick pony
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:00 PM
Apr 2019

is at it again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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