I actually think Uncle Joe's promise of a return to normalcy has a good chance of carrying the day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The internet is not real life and there is not an insubstantial number of Americans who long for an end to Trump's division and all the fussing and fighting. In the 014 mid terms we lost the suburbs by twelve points and consequently the House. In the 018 mid terms we tied the Repubs in the suburbs and picked up forty one House seats. I would argue your nominal suburbanite is most likely to be attracted by the promise of a return to normalcy.

[redstatebluegirl]

1. I do too.

All of America is damn sick of the constant turmoil.

[underpants]

2. I agree

[Baclava]

3. Exactly, just ignore all the twitter crap from he who shall not be named

Run a normal winning 50 state campaign strategy and ignore the attention whoring buffoon completely.

Don't wrestle with the pig...that should finish him off

[Cha]

9. lol@

"he who shall not be named.."

[Laelth]

109. +1 n/t

-Laelth

[calimary]

4. It's appealing, alright.

He has the common touch. He’s relatable like few others are. And he connects with the so-called working class. He took the train back home to Delaware when the Obama/Biden team had retired. And for all those who felt like betting on trump (?!!?!?!???!?) because they were somehow feeling left out or left behind, he might well bring them back into the tent.

[DownriverDem]

35. He's called Amtrak Joe

Biden has used the train for decades. He would take it back to Delaware to be with his sons every night when he was a Senator. There's a lot to Joe that folks need to get to know.

[eleny]

5. I agree

[Laurian]

6. Absolutely the first order of business.

No Democratic goals can be achieved until moral and ethical leadership is established.

[IndyOp]

7. We need radical, immediate action on the climate crisis.

It doesn't matter what people think or want, we are teetering on the edge of no return. I will vote for someone who has consistently expressed a sense of urgency on this issue.

Consider subscribing to the "Environment and Energy" group. Today, in Environment & Energy, we see:

A pod of orcas is starving to death. A tribe is feeding them… (How likely is that to work?)

Gov. Brown picked a big-game hunter for the board that manages Oregon’s wolves. (Bye-bye wolves from throughout the Pacific Northwest)

Another Cyclone Approaching Mozambique - Expect to match Idai in strength

50 MN Republican legislators vote to proudly proclaim their willful climate ignorance

Climate change: Millions of hectares of tropical forest destroyed in 2018

Belgium-Sized Area of Old Growth Tropical Rainforest Wiped out in 2018 (partially due to climate change)

Almost complete 3-year reproductive failure - Emperor penguins abandon second biggest colony

[Locrian]

19. exactly

There is no "return to normalcy" - even when we defeat trump he's going to be on news 24/7
His maga idiots will still be there
The white power morons will still be there

But the big issue is climate change: it does not let up. There is no business as usual all things normal unless we do not want to survive as a species.

[Tribalceltic]

34. Even if it means losing the election to Trump?

[DownriverDem]

38. Disagree

There are lots of folks looking for normalcy. Biden represents that. A Biden/Harris ticket would be formidable. She'd be VP & positioned to be president later.

[lapfog_1]

54. or Biden and

Stacey Abrams

which wins us PA and possibly other upper midwest states... and puts parts of the south in play

and all the states Hillary won

[appalachiablue]

80. Abrams is a tremendous asset for Democrats.

[Funtatlaguy]

103. She's expected to announce a Ga Senate run this week.

[DinahMoeHum]

115. Frankly, it's better that she run for the Senate. . .

. . .if she's not going to try for the governorship again.

[LakeArenal]

84. Yes much better pick than Harris

Great charisma , smart, helps in the south, no Franken baggage, and Harris has a personal issue with the Mayor that influences me as well.

[Laelth]

111. Biden and Abrams met in DC a couple of weeks ago.

I would bet big money that the possibility of her joining the ticket was discussed. No clue what the outcome of that discussion may have been.



-Laelth

[McKim]

8. I Need to Hear from Senator Biden on Issues

Sentaror Biden’s personality is a winning one. But I need to hear from him on Foreign Policy. Does a return to normalcy mean continuing our expensive and useless wars? What does he stand for?
Listening to the next generation in my college class they are all worried about their futures and dream of making a decent living and having health care. We have several great candidates who are offering substance in their platforms. Where is Joe?

[Demsrule86]

62. Oh please. These candidates are all great on issues.

You simply don't like Biden. You have to win in order for issues to matter. Consider Trump's stand on Issues.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Great point... no doubt, the vetting process and debates will answer these questions.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Honeycombe8]

116. He just came out against legalizing marijuana. That's a problem.

That's really old thinking.

I like Biden, but I have a problem with that. I don't care for alcohol. I'm over 60. I am looking forward to being able to buy some pot for stress relief at some time before I did. I don't see why I can't.

Thing is, some of the politicians have led such a straight arrow life, that they have no experience with pot or light drugs, so they equate them with the heavy stuff. Pete is in favor of legalizing it, I think...but it's clear he doesn't know much about it, since he referred to it as being addictive, which it's not. Another straight arrow.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. A call for bipartisanship rarely captures voters, and Trump is a feature of this country, not a bug.

Biden's approach, as outlined in the video, feels good, but is not a winner.

[Kingofalldems]

26. Evidence please.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. Of?

[Kingofalldems]

29. What you posted.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

31. Are you supporting Biden because he's willing to work and compromise with Senate Republicans?

[Kingofalldems]

32. Your characterization.

He called for defeating Donald Trump.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

33. Oh, I thought we were talking about bipartisanship.

[Kingofalldems]

36. You brought it up

and I saw nothing about it in Bidens statement.

Link to tweet

Please be factual.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Unfortunately, America needs much more than a return to the status quo "normalcy"

But with the exhaustion that comes from Trump destroying America, some folks may not look that far down the road- they understandably want pain relief, now.

I look forward to hearing Biden's proposals on healthcare, student debt relief, income inequality, among others.

[Demsrule86]

63. America needs to get rid of Trump and go from there.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. Status quo has got to go!! The time for revolution has come!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

99. No, the time for dumping Trump has come. There is no appetite for

revolution.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. The people are starving for revolution...this is NOT the time for status quo...Joe is not the answer

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

114. No...

[R B Garr]

12. Exactly, DSB. I think Biden will benefit from the

more things change, the more they stay the same phenomenon. All this talk of blowing up the system is phony and self-serving attention seeking. People just want normalcy, stability and familiarity.

[BlueFlorida]

13. People are exhausted from the Trump circus

They want to relax, have a coffee in the morning, a bourbon (or wine) in the evening, stretch out and get back to watching sports or reality TV.

[jalan48]

14. Warren Harding's campaign slogan in 1920 was a return to normalcy.

[LongtimeAZDem]

16. Yeah, I don't think we should be using that term.

[jalan48]

17. Harding wanted America to go back to pre-WWI without understanding it's impossible to undo the past.

The Bush administration was torturing prisoners 15 years ago. Is that what we are going back to?

[LongtimeAZDem]

18. Of course not; most people can't even tell you when Harding was President. The term exists

independent of the history, but some people will try to claim that using it implies what you just suggested.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. I mean, it worked, tho, he won.

...not only won but won in a landslide.

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. And there is that

[jalan48]

24. This is true. Maybe people will be swayed by a return to the past.

[andym]

61. Harding won in a landslide against a more qualified, talented guy James Cox and FDR his running mate

Cox was one of the most qualified candidates to not win a Presidential election: a 2 time governor of Ohio and a former US House member- he was governor at the time of the election. According to Wikipedia, Cox was a "capable and well-liked progressive reformer" who had FDR as a running mate. Cox "conducted an activist campaign visiting 36 states and delivering 394 speeches mainly focusing on domestic issues." He wanted to "to fight unemployment and inflation, he suggested simultaneously lower income and business profits taxes. He promised to introduce national collective bargaining legislation and pledged his support to the Volstead Act. Cox spoke in support of Americanization to increase loyalty to the United States among (the) immigrant population," and he lost badly (34% of the vote) to Harding's (60% of the vote) return to normalcy campaign, the first to use modern advertising techniques via advertising guru Albert Lasker.
And how bad was Harding? In an Atlantic article, it states that Harding admitted repeatedly to reporters that he was in over his head. “A man of limited talents,” Harding once said of himself. He too was an Ohioian and won the state in that election against the governor.
But Harding captured the public's desire at the time: a return to normalcy was the winning message.

[honest.abe]

15. Yeah, that may be all it takes to win this thing.

Most people are freaking about what Trump is doing and Joe represents an about face to all that. He will capture many of the voters in the middle and even some Republicans with this message.

[cwydro]

20. Yes indeed.

K and r.

[peggysue2]

21. We need to return to 'normal' in order to . . .

get anything accomplished. Any and all progressive ideas on healthcare, climate change, voting rights, immigration, equality, etc. will rely on saving the Republic and returning to the Rule of Law.

The situation is that dire.

When I read people bemoaning the 'safe' choice, I'm aghast. If my house is on fire, I want the 'safe' choice of the fire company swooping in as quickly as possible, to save the structure, the bones of the building. It makes little sense to stand back and argue over the cut of the drapes. That's a Steve Bannon mindset.

Joe Biden is a liberal, left-of-center. He has the track record to prove it. He also has the experience and knowledge to step in on Day 1 to put out the fire, turn things around and start the process of healing and rebuilding. He's already spoken to the primary Democratic issues and I'm sure he will speak to them again.

If you want an idea of what he's championing then listen to the speech he gave to the Electrical Workers' Forum. It's all there, including the passion and urgency.

On top of everything else, he can win this thing. And without winning, everything we care about will be flushed down the toilet by Trump and his toadies. We cannot let that happen!

[MH1]

25. I tend to agree.

I have reservations about Biden. But if he looks like he has the draw we need in the states we need, I'm all in. I would absolutely love a return to normalcy, as sub-optimal as it is.

[Mme. Defarge]

27. Moi aussi!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

108. Pas moi... c'est domage, je suis desole de le dire.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Funtatlaguy]

30. For normalcy We need White House, Senate, HOR, SCOTUS

Need 60 Senators or 51 and the guts to use the nuclear option.
Need one of the 5 conservative SCOTUS to resign (after 1/20/2021).

[UniteFightBack]

37. I think so too!! Simple and TRUE. nt

[bloom]

39. What is 'normal' - some old white guy??

We've had enough of that.

I want to see another NOT white guy run.

Would you say Obama was not 'normal'?

Warren would be awesome. I want awesome.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. "Would you say Obama was not 'normal'? " *

President Obama could have chosen any naturalized citizen over thirty five years old to be his running mate. Who did he choose? He chose Uncle Joe. Are you saying President Obama was "not normal"?




.

*Pro Tip. Joe Biden isn't even my favorite candidate. I was making a casual observation that folks might want a respite from the craziness. That being said you might win more folks to your candidate by touting her and not denigrating other candidates.

[bloom]

43. You brought up this 'normal' business. Define 'normal'

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Why don't you ask the thirty two people who recommended my post.

They seem to have gotten it.

[Demsrule86]

49. K&R

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I love President Obama. He picked Joe.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. For what it's worth all our candidates would bring us back to normalcy.

[Demsrule86]

64. Only if they can win.

[Silver Gaia]

91. That's the key.

Nothing else truly matters because if our nominee can't do that, it won't matter how outside the box and innovative she or he is. First, we must WIN. And unless Trump doesn't get the R nomination, which is highly unlikely, we must BEAT TRUMP. And the Russians. And the Saudis. And the North Koreans. And the Chinese. These are not "normal" times. This is do or die time. Seriously.

[Demsrule86]

93. It is the most important election in my lifetime.

[Silver Gaia]

97. Mine, too. And I've seen a lot of them.

We should ALL feel this way, because it's true. For the entire planet.

[Demsrule86]

98. I can't imagine the horror of four more years of a Trump.

[Demsrule86]

100. You are absolutely right. Winning is the only thing that matters...not the year

for policy lists...most of which can never happen.

[Demsrule86]

48. I want to see a Democratic presidential. Also your prejudice sgainst

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'Old white men' makes you sound really bad. I find it distasteful to find such statements on a Democratic progressive website...what now we exclude older whie men?

[Blues Heron]

86. won't somebody think of the old white men!

oh the humanity!

[Demsrule86]

94. Yeah because it is just fine to attack people you don't like...

How is that different than what Trump and Republicans do? I

[LakeArenal]

85. Don't say "we've". You. Not we

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Enough normal status quo. Joe, you're right, is not going to excite voters

anxious for revolution.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[bloom]

40. Also - I think the "Uncle" business is annoying. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. If I had an Uncle Joe I'd want him to be like Uncle Joe Biden.

[Demsrule86]

45. I love Biden.

[appalachiablue]

82. Biden could win this big one. *There's at least one recent OP here

making the case for dropping 'Uncle Joe' which was initially used by the GOP as a slur against FDR to associate him with communists for meeting with Stalin. I didn't know all that, something to consider esp. now with attempts at new red baiting of 'socialism and commies' by the far right. Also the cool 'Uncle Joe' turned 'Creepy' meme..

https://www.democraticunderground.org/128793320

https://newrepublic.com/article/153457/joe-biden-cool-uncle-creepy-uncle

[Demsrule86]

44. Me too. I would kill for normalcy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Normalcy No more Trump incitement and division

[Demsrule86]

60. Heaven...no more Nazis marching who referred to as good people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I reread my original post. I made it pretty clear what was normal .

The internet is not real life and there is not an insubstantial number of Americans who long for an end to Trump's division and all the fussing and fighting. In the 014 mid terms we lost the suburbs by twelve points and consequently the House. In the 018 mid terms we tied the Repubs in the suburbs and picked up forty one House seats. I would argue your nominal suburbanite is most likely to be attracted by the promise of a return to normalcy.

[Demsrule86]

59. I would agree. I lived in the suburbs for years...moved to Cleveland

last July. Before that we lived in a small Ohio town. Ohio is pretty angry at Trump..Lords town is gone and even Parma and Marysville are endangered ( sutos). With Biden we might take Ohio. Parts plants gone and steel is hurting. We had many more companies that recycled existing steel which has gone sky high.

[kimbutgar]

51. Ditto

We Americans are tired of the daily drama fromfat Donnie.

Make America back to Normal. [

[Still In Wisconsin]

52. I agree. I know a lot of people who just want to wake up for just one morning and not read about

some completely insane shit the President has said or done.

[shanny]

56. "normalcy" prior to rump wasn't all that great

case in point: rump got away with boatloads of crap for decades and he wasn't alone

we need to do better

[Cha]

57. trump getting away with shit

as a citizen has nothing to do with what trump has done since he's been in power.

Blood on his hands from white nationalists killing Muslims in his name, babies and children being torn from their parents' arms, and all the greedy vile changes he's made of stripping our country away.. all the anti-environmental changes he and his doormats have implemented. SCOTUS.

We had a President and a Vice President who actually cared about people and the Planet.

So yeah.. we want his Shit Gone.

[Demsrule86]

65. Are you kidding Trumps tenure has been the worst...and the Obama years were much

better. Maybe some could actually vote in the midterms next time we have the presidency and not knee cap our president as Obama was.

[shanny]

69. jaysus H

we need to look past the ends of our noses

Quality of life for Americans has been on a downhill trajectory for DECADES. The election of Obama was a reaction to that, but did little to reverse it: we still have ever-accelerating income inequality, attacks on women's autonomy, attacks on labor, burgeoning medical costs, burgeoning education costs, stagnant wages, mass incarcerations, growing corporate dominance of our government, etc etc etc. Obama aimed for--he said--a 2% course correction. I submit that we need to aim WAY higher than that, and the demands are getting bigger every year, as the various crises remain unaddressed.

[Demsrule86]

72. He was kneecapped two yeatprs into his presidency as was Clinton...

See a pattern here?

[shanny]

73. Yeah, I do.

The question is, do YOU?

oh boohoo Ds didn't vote in the midterms...WHY didn't they vote in the midterms? maybe they did not vote because they didn't feel they got what they voted for. Ever consider that idea? If not, why not?

Speaking for myself only, I was wildly enthusiastic in 2008, long before the definitive financial meltdown in September (clearly it was tanking before then). I wanted our government to stand up for ME: I wanted it to enact laws that benefited ME, that reined in banksters who tanked the global economy while playing with our money in a virtual casino; I wanted it to enact laws that targeted in the greedy and immoral pigs in the health insurance industry and put those assholes on the road to oblivion; I wanted it to condemn the fuckers who started an illegal and pointless war based on lies, ego and greed, that did NOTHING for our national security, that resulted in the deaths of uncounted innocents, that fucking tortured people in my name.

I didn't get any of those things. I got a president--an exemplary human being btw, but one who apparently thought he could heal all the rifts, all the ills, all the evils on this country just by being a good man. He was wrong. "Looking forward and not back" was a disaster. Protecting the banks was a disaster. Protecting the insurance companies was a disaster. Protecting war criminals was a disaster. And look where it got us. Not just in 2010; in 2012 (even though the exemplary human being won again), in 2014, in 2016 too.

In 2018 we finally began to address the damage and to recoup our losses over the last decade. Finally--but it is only the beginning. We have a LONG way to go to make good the losses of the last 40-ish years...and sorry, but returning to the Obama years will not be enough.

[Demsrule86]

95. Right well the Gop knows in order to win they must vote...when we don't vote, we lose.

You will never get everything you want...those who did this set the progressive agenda back a generation....and are why we now have a right wing court...We get the government we deserve...too bad the emails were just so terrible and all and everything wasn't perfect.
However, electing a Republican only makes thing worse.

[shanny]

96. Apparently the GOP gets everything they want

but we progressives shouldn't even ask because it is just not realistic. Eff that noise.

Are you familiar with the concept of "learned helplessness?"

[Cha]

58. I hope so.. but please don't call him "Uncle Joe"..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128793320

[LongtimeAZDem]

66. Agreed

[LiberalFighter]

67. Trump is a threat to national security of the USA.

Everything Trump has done has resulted in the future and safety of the United States being derailed. Trump has to go so that this country gets back on track. In the right direction.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

68. I know of several other flaming progressives (including myself) who phrase the no. 1 priority

more like "coalition building," someone who can pull together the various flavors of dems/progressives

AND (don't shoot the messenger now) moderate conservatives and disaffected former repubs.

We can go back to our regularly scheduled programming later. First, shore up and reclaim the fundamentals of our representative democracy. .

[shanny]

70. Thinking that Everything Will Be Fixed by electing Joe Biden is stunningly

superficial and naive.

The forces that brought rump to the fore won't go away. The forces that support him in office won't go away. You do recall that McTurtle promised to deny Hillary ANY SC choices, were she elected? And he's already pledging to Do Nothing if any D wins in 2020? Do you think Joe Biden has a magic wand or something? There are no easy fixes here. sheesh

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

74. Thinking that everyting will be fixed by electing ANY ONE of the 2 dozen candidates

is stunningly naïve.

It has to be an all hands on deck effort.

So then the question becomes - who is best able to pull everyone together to get done what needs to get done - a coalition builder

Maybe its Joe, maybe its someone else.

But that IMHO needs to be the primary consideration

[shanny]

75. I don't think that. Clearly.

But I do think that Biden is not the guy.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

81. You dont think what?

[shanny]

92. I don't think electing any one of our candidates will fix everything.

I also don't think that Biden should be our candidate.

[Nitram]

71. IMHO we need much more than a mere "return to normalcy."

Our progressive agenda has been set back 10 years, and if we do not impeach Trump his attacks on the Consitution will stand as precedent. I'm not saying Joe can't do that, I'm just saying a lot needs to be done.

[Demsrule86]

102. And who's fault is that? Who did not vote for Obama in 10 or 14? Who helped elect Bush and Trump

by refusing to vote for the nominee...who attacked Kerry in the early part of the race? Clinton lost the house in 94 too and was forced to play on GOP turf..if folks want policy than they should vote in every election and never use their vote to send a message. Lastly, vote Democratic ALWAYS in every election...support Democrats at the state level, in the midterms ,in the presidential races and we must continue the support once our folks are in office.

[Turbineguy]

76. Constant anxiety reduces lifespan.

[samnsara]

77. i dont think of him as uncle.. i think of him as the older brother who just came home...

...from war.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

110. I think of Joe as the cool uncle... just that Cool Uncle Joe's time to be President has come & gone.

It's time for Bad-Ass Bernie who's the anti-staus quo candidate with the best chance to put out the tRumpster Fire!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. Love it...but not supposed to call him uncle joe:)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Among those who voted for a nickname Uncle Joe is winning.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128794211

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. Just going by post on name making him sound old

And to please not use

[marylandblue]

89. I disagree that people want a return to normalcy.

Vast sections of our nation are falling apart. Jobs disappeared, roads are decaying, opioids are killing people, entire communities have no hope for improvement. GDP goes up while they are being left behind.

People voted for Trump precisely because he was NOT normal. He promised to blow up the system, They wanted that because the people in power did not know how bad things had gotten. He promised to shake up Washington and fix it. Well he didn't fix it, he made it worse.

So they may be upset with him now, but they weren't happy before, why would they want to go back to that? I think they would much rather try something new. The new thing doesn't have to be far left but it can't be what we had before.

[Kurt V.]

101. this is a misconception. we aren't returning to normalcy, no matter who is president,

until the opposition party itself returns to a semblance of normalcy

[Laelth]

106. So do I. Whom he chooses for VP is the better question now. n/t

-Laelth

[Autumn]

107. We can't go back to normal and an end to all the fussing and fighting. Now is the time

when we need a lot more than fussing and fighting. Normalcy will get us nowhere, all it will do is give us a false sense of security.

[winetourdriver01]

112. Yes

Yes, I believe the country is hungry for responsible leadership.

[Thekaspervote]

113. Thank you for the thoughtful post. Agree!!

[cheezmaka]

117. I agree

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I believe Biden has what it takes to win the moderates as well as even some Republicans who are tired of Trump. It's time for EXPERIENCE to come back to the White House. I'm tired of our Nation being a "laughing stock" of the world.

[joet67]

118. I don't. but I eill vote for the nominee, whomever it is