Has Elizabeth Warren changed or has she always been this person?

[ecstatic]

Before this week, I didn't fully trust her and I thought she was a one issue candidate who was a blank slate when it came to non-financial issues.

But since Monday, I see a confident, well rounded and fully prepared candidate. It's as if she took time off to educate herself on every problem and has put serious thought into how to solve each problem. I'm really impressed!

Has she always been this way and I just didn't see it, or has she changed for the better in recent years/ months?

[appalachiablue]

1. Warren is the real Mcoy, I've always liked and found her

very intelligent, sincere and personable. She's terrific. So I'm biased.

She's wonderfully presidential too.

[SunSeeker]

2. Yup. And Hillary today came out for what Warren has been calling for since last Friday: Impeachment

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2307737

[True Dough]

11. You left out a key point there

While Warren is very eager to initiate the impeachment process, Hillary cautioned that Congress should not rush to that stage but should hold hearings and create an independent commission before holding a vote on impeachment.

Hillary's approach is more measured. That's an important distinction.

[Demit]

12. I don't think anyone was calling for a vote without having a process first.

The impeachment process includes hearings. I don't quite understand what Clinton means by an "independent commission." Independent of whom?

[SunSeeker]

17. OFFS. Impeachment is a PROCESS. It starts with impeachment investigation hearings.

Warren was not calling for a vote on articles of impeachment without going through the process. Neither was anyone here, as far as I can tell.

[Chin music]

28. +1

AND it's ok for President Clinton to talk about other approaches. The end game is the same. Stamp out flaming repubs. Fire hazard.

[True Dough]

43. OFFS! The PROCESS isn't always the same

I meant to get back to this thread. During Bill Clinton's impeachment they didn't even bother to hold hearings in the House. They just voted the articles and sent them to the Senate. So there is a precedent for that sort of thing.

I'm not saying Warren was calling for an immediate vote, but Hillary is wise to advise Dems not to get ahead of themselves in how they try to take down Donny. Being calculated is paramount.

Have a nice day!

[SunSeeker]

49. OFFS. Hillary and Warren ARE ADVISING THE SAME THING: formal impeachment investigation hearings.

That is all I have been calling for. And as I have repeatedly explained on this site, and as I have repeatedly quoted Lawrence Tribe explaining, only formal impeachment investigation hearings entitle Congress to grand jury info. It is clear now that is the only way we are going to get Mueller's grand jury info.

So I just don't get the reticence to start formal impeachment investigation hearings.

No Dem is calling for us to abuse procedure like the Republicans did and go straight to a vote on articles of impeachment.

[True Dough]

50. "No Dem is calling for us to abuse procedure like the Republicans did"

Perhaps not, but Hillary laid things out nice and clearly, a good road map so the process is not misunderstood.

[SunSeeker]

51. I agree, Hillary did lay it out nicely. Her Op Ed was brilliant. nt

[List left]

3. The first time i saw her polite, measured, relentless, questioning ..

The first time i saw her polite, measured, relentless, questioning I was sold. She is always 10 steps ahead of the person she is questioning ..

She would make an amazing president

My order of preference;

Elizabeth Warren
Kamala Harris
Pete Bittigieg
Joe Biden
Bernie Sanders

[JI7]

4. according to what Joy Reid said , WArren seemed to make the best impression

at the she the people forum. and that's among many others who also did well.

[UCmeNdc]

5. Yes, she has always been this way. She is no phoney,

I like her as well as a number of other candidates that are truly out for the best for the average American.

[PatSeg]

25. Elizabeth Warren is as authentic as they come

I was used to hearing her talk about economic issues, but apparently she is fluent in all progressive issues. She has been really impressive since she threw her hat in the race.

[Chin music]

29. Yes. See Wells Fargo hearings.

Fearless, precise, and very effective.

[PatSeg]

35. She is economical

with her words, she makes her points with as few words as necessary. When she is done, you know exactly what she was talking about. She must have been an extraordinary teacher.

[Chin music]

36. "You should step down"

Or something to that effect to the Wells Fargo CEO....very economical. She let...him...HAVE...it.

[PatSeg]

40. Yes

There is no second guessing what she means. She tends to be very clear and to the point. She doesn't talk in vague, wishy-washy political language.

[Chin music]

41. Seems to be an offshoot of being VERY well versed on the topics being investigated.

As opposed to all the love and soft balls, glory and apologies, he got from the repubs on the same senate hearings.

[PatSeg]

42. Oh yes, very well versed!

She is as smart as they come, yet can still be down-to-earth. It feels like she has an answer for any question that someone might throw at her. I am envious. I always wanted to be like that, but usually those perfect answers come to me later in the middle of the night, if at all.

Just imagine her debating Trump!

[Moostache]

53. Debating Trump is never a fair fight...

Look at Hillary's roundhouse beatings of Trump on substance and the thing people remember?

"No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet."...
Creepy stalker standing behind her while she gave her answers to questions...
Snorting and sniffing like Trump thought he get a bump from the air around him...

Trump is a savant when it comes to maintaining all attention on himself. He is as deep as a puddle on anything imaginable, but he completely lacks the ability to be shamed about his own stupidity. That combination of constantly grabbing the spotlight and total lack of shame means he will literally do anything to make sure that a nuanced, intelligent debate with him is impossible.

He is a pig, who loves the slop and he enters every single encounter flinging it in any and all directions without regard to where it lands, how it looks or how it is received. It does not matter, as long as his name is out and the drum beat and keep lying to his 'base' and the KGOP about what it all means.

Warren or Buttigieg or Harris or any of our potential candidates in reality are going to have the same struggles that 16 GOP candidates and HRC had in '16. When you are the only one taking the debate questions seriously and not as a parlor trick, no matter how good you are, in 21st century cell-phone/Facebook/Twitter addict America, you cannot "win".

We have entirely too many morons, over the age of 18 and eligible to vote, who can barely be bothered to breathe without checking the app for that...the nation circles the toilet bowl of history because enough people are hateful racists and enough people are disinterested fools and enough people are petulant children who take their ball and go home when they can't have the unicorn AND the puppy AND their favorite candidate instead of any legitimate option to a fool like Trump...

[PatSeg]

57. Oh yes, very good point

He was shamelessly obnoxious during the debates with Hillary and did not suffer because of it.

Like your: "He is as deep as a puddle on anything imaginable".

[Buzz cook]

6. She has always been a well rounded person

Or at least as long as I've been aware of her.
She was important in the foundation of the consumer protection agency and that covers a lot of ground. So she had to be informed on a broad range of issues.

[BlueMTexpat]

7. She is most certainly among

my top three candidates, all of whom are women!

[stuffmatters]

8. Elizabeth Warren has been breaking down our econoimic problems & solutions since at minimum 2009.

As Chair of TARP Oversight where she was pretty much a lone voice in the wilderness in that Wall Street dominated milieu. That's about when I first remember seeing her on Keith and Maher. Her great skill of explaining complex economics in not just simple but moral language made her an immediate favorite guest on Maher especially.

I recently saw a (utube?) excerpt of Professor Elizabeth Warren delivering expert (and prophetic) testimony against passage of the Bankruptcy Bill in Senate Hearings (2005?) An even earlier case of Warren being Warren despite the thinly veiled condescension/misogyny from the male senators sponsoring passage of that cruel,dreadful bill. Well worth viewing.

[Demit]

13. That was the one where Biden called her testimony a "mildly demagogic argument," right?

Where she barely got a word in edgewise? I look forward to the candidates' debate on this topic. I am very curious to hear Biden's thoughts on the Bankruptcy Bill that he championed as a senator, and its effects over the past 14 years.

[stuffmatters]

18. She was drowned out with idiotic "Moral Hazard" tirades.Yet she persisted(!)

Early WBW..a great glimpse of Warren Being Warren in 2005. Many episodes of her, now signature, resistance/persistence ag Tim Geithner during TARP too.. (n.b Geitner used the same old moral hazard saw ag her (& her defense of homeowners) to bail out Wall Street instead)
Harry Reid had recommended Obama bring her to DC to Chair TARP Oversight. I suspect Reid was impressed with not just Warren's undeniable,profound knowledge but also her firm, calm resolve & moral simplicity in the face of that particular Senate disrespect & ignorance you've so vividly recalled.
As you, I'm sure looking forward to the Bankruptcy Bill being revisited now between the two during the Dem Debates.

[Demit]

19. I think she's pretty unflappable. Biden, I noticed, got a little flustered in that exchange.

So yes, she'll get the better of him—and she'll do it in the nicest way. I suspect when Biden runs out of intellectual steam on a subject that's when he either starts rambling, talking all around the topic without making any particular point, or he gets especially folksy charmy. We can only wait and see how well that plays over the coming months, specifically when he has to address/defend the disastrous Bankruptcy Bill.

[stuffmatters]

20. "Unflappable" is perfect.Gotta say, I'm chortling to myself in anticipation of the reckoning(s)

Yes,Warren always stays so relentlessly, wonderfully affable while brilliantly focused. She has what many of the others lack...a clear
ideological and moral construct through which she frames all issues & through which she can clearly analyze complex problems and offer real, accessible, seemingly common sense (i.e. popular) solutions. She's never backed down, ever. And she's sure learned from past fights to be the one to bring the real solutions to the duel.

[Chin music]

30. Boom.

SHE PERSISTED. I look forward to watching her make moscow mitch eat his words.

[stuffmatters]

39. Yes,yes.yes!

[Hortensis]

10. Congrats on taking an informative look, Ecstatic. Nice that you're pleased.

And that you are able to put that inexplicable distrust away. You will no doubt be an addition to the Warren group once you are able to begin posting in there.

Now, with that positive result under your belt, maybe take a new look at some of our other Democratic candidates whose severe lacks left you "no choice" but to switch to Warren?

I suspect you'll discover that your "incredible" disappointment in their "cowardly and/or cynical stances" was a similarly unfounded misjudgement, that most really do know "right is right and wrong is wrong," and that you will regret posting that the others would "refuse to stand up to trump and defend our democracy." Once you take a good look at them.

[ecstatic]

14. I get the point you're trying to make, but just to clarify,

there are only 2 candidates who I don't like and don't trust. The rest of them I really like, but I still remain disappointed in most of them for not taking a firm stand on impeachment. Warren's clear, unequivocal stance on impeachment forced me to reevaluate my opinion of her.

[Hortensis]

15. "The other candidates left me with no choice but to switch.

I'm so incredibly disappointed with the cowardly and/or cynical stances the other candidates have taken. Right is right and wrong is wrong. If democrats fail to act, they won't be able to say that it's just the republicans who have refused to stand up to trump and defend our democracy."

I won't invite you to discuss who you don't like and trust, but if you want to be clear to everyone, maybe start with this in your journal, which is perfectly clear as it stands.

Btw, I can't imagine choosing a president on a position on one very fluid situation, which doesn't even vary in principle from any of the major competitors'. There's incredibly more to Elizabeth Warren and to the others.

[mtnsnake]

16. Same person, but I think she's worked hard to improve her perception to be a strong campaigner

[mcar]

21. I've admired her since her CFPB days.

[rgbecker]

22. She simply continues to Persist.

Smartest candidate and she will go far into the 2020 primary season.

[DCofVA]

23. I've been following her for years. You can trust that she means what she says.

[marlakay]

24. I think she has got more used to speaking

In front of crowds and on tv. She used to be more professor like and still is but learning to be more real with the people.

Always liked her, Jon Stewart had her on daily show long before she went for politics and I think her first show. I could tell then she was nervous. I think he had her on to talk about the consumer dept they wanted to start.

[BeyondGeography]

26. She wanted to be a teacher and obviously loves to learn

This is her calling, applying herself intellectually to help people. She's has always been this person and she’s a force.

[zaj]

27. If Warren ran in 2016, Trump would have lost.

She's much better a candidate than Hillary was.

Not sure if 2020 is a better or worse year for Warren's chances.

She's great though.

[applegrove]

31. If Warren had run as Hillary's VP they would have won the electoral college,

Not just the votes.

[JI7]

33. Hlilary would have won without Russian attack on the election and the Comey bs

[applegrove]

37. Yes. Both true.

[JI7]

34. then why isn't she doing better ? HIllary did very well going up against the greatest Candidate ever

OBama.

[spooky3]

47. Good question. And Warren is one of my favorites

due primarily to her character, brains and backbone, rather than her position on specific issues.

[crazytown]

54. I remember Hillary v Obama fondly now

At the time it was white knuckles.

If snyone ever questions how good a campaigner she is, that contest leaves not doubt: The moist epic Primary contest in Democratic history.

Obama didn’t find the winning formula until ‘Yes we can’ in New Hampshire. After that Hillary held her own against that extraordinary momentum.

The popular support for BHO was ncredible and memorable.

[athena]

56. Name recognition.

More people recognize the names “Biden” and “Sanders” than “Warren”. Unfortunately, that’s what we’re dealing with at this early stage. The debates should change that.

Add to that the media’s, and society’s, sexism, and everthing is explained.

[NanceGreggs]

32. I think who you're seeing ...

... now is Liz Warren potential nominee, as opposed to Senator Liz Warren.

We'll be seeing this with all of the candidates. They have to stop thinking in terms of whatever position they now hold or have held in the past, and start thinking in terms of governing a nation.

Warren has long been an attack dog - she fights hard, and has been rightfully hailed for it. But now she has to offer viable solutions to national challenges. She has to focus on the positive and the uplifting - even the inspirational.

I have noticed the change also - and she is transitioning very well from the role of representing her constituents to showing what she envisions for the entire country.

I'm seeing a softer side, an idealistic side - an optimistic side. And that's to her credit.

[elleng]

38. As long as I recall being aware of her, she's been well-rounded and fully prepared.

Surprised anyone interested in public matters wouldn't have noticed.

[CTyankee]

44. I am with you. She's now my favorite pick for president.

[MerryBlooms]

45. k&r Warren is amazing. n/t

[TCJ70]

46. She's in my top two...tied for first. She'll probably be who I vote for in my states primary...

...but I just think it's too early to commit to one candidate.

[we can do it]

48. She has always been like this.

[saidsimplesimon]

52. She is on my short list for the Primary.

It's a bonus that in addition to understanding complex financial issues, she is very charming. imo

[womanofthehills]

55. I love that she puts good solutions out there

She is so refreshing. She and Kamala are my two favorites. When Elizabeth speaks, I feel hopeful.