Biden--Iraq War

[yellowwoodII]

Senator Biden voted for the Iraq War. I believe the American death count for that war is around 4,000.
Iraq is certainly not better off.

I will take this into account in the primary election.

[BeckyDem]

1. It helped Obama win the primary against Clinton.

It was a vote that has had horrific consequences for millions of innocent people.

[lapucelle]

3. Yes, but it didn't help BS who lost to HRC.

I like Joe Biden's strong stand on gun issues and Russia sanctions.

[BeckyDem]

4. Young voters are looking for something different.

[BannonsLiver]

8. You don't speak for them.

[BeckyDem]

9. lol

[BannonsLiver]

11. LOLOLOLOL

[lapucelle]

12. That's why those who have run before should probably sit this one out.

Someone like Harris or Booker never voted for the Iraq war, for the 1994 Crime Bill, against the Brady Bill, or for exempting the gun industry from law suits. And neither of them is afraid to speak truth to power when it comes to Russia sanctions.

[BeckyDem]

14. Should sit it out? Biden has every right to run.

Young people will gravitate to him? I doubt it.

[lapucelle]

19. Young people are gravitating to Mayor Pete.

What I said is that anyone who has run before should probably sit this one out, not that they didn't have a right to run.

[BeckyDem]

20. Yes, like I said, not to Biden.

There are other candidates, aside from Pete that young voters like.

[lapucelle]

23. I think Biden will stay in the race just long enough to make a difference.

I can't wait for the debates.

[Demsrule86]

13. You all are going to stick us with Trump again. By advocating for those who

Can not win a general.

[BeckyDem]

16. Warren can't win?

You must be kidding.

[Demsrule86]

17. I am not kidding. She has no way to take the rustbelt. I like her but she loses a general.

[BeckyDem]

21. She will do much better than expected during this primary.

[Demsrule86]

24. And then lose the general. Winning a primary is a means to and end...victory

In the general.

[Thekaspervote]

54. Hillary Clinton is on record as saying America is not willing to elect a woman as president

Sad but true!

[BeckyDem]

58. I have no interest in that opinion.

[Demsrule86]

38. I absolutely disagree. That is what is going to cost us this election.

We may win the popular vote but lose in the electoral college if we don't rebuild the blue wall in the midwest...WI,PA And MI. I like all our candidate with only two exceptions...I want to win. Biden can win the rustbelt,

[Chin music]

51. Sometimes I regret this page. It seems it's much too soon to be doing who will/who won't win

'in the general' analyses. It seems to be slightly defeatist, TO ME, in the name of trying to inform someone else of why Biden would be better. I think EW has a great chance. Hillary won. She can too.
just mho of course. I think we have enough to worry abou with trump without going at it like this. JUST ME THOUGH.
P.S. I love Joe Biden.

[MH1]

26. What is your prediction for "young" (under 30) turnout in THIS year's elections?

My prediction: lower than the turnout for over-30 voters. Horrible turnout all around.

If young voters want to be taken seriously, they should show up at EVERY election. Including odd-year primaries.

[BeckyDem]

27. I don't have a prediction but I do note that most young voters are worried about

their future.

[MH1]

28. Oh I agree. But they still don't show up.

Oh, older voters are bad about voting in off-year elections too. But I'm just saying, if young voters want to make a difference, they need to start by showing up. Imagine if this year, out of the 20-ish % turnout overall, the under-30 demo was 50% !! I think next year's candidates would sit up and take notice, FAST.

[BeckyDem]

30. They may surprise us this time around.

AOC said she was shocked 18 year olds showed up to vote for her. I didn't get the impression it was due to it being NY but about policies the incumbent didn't support.

[emulatorloo]

52. Sorry, Millennial voters like Joe Biden

Poll: Biden leads among millennial voters

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/434639-poll-biden-leads-among-millennial-voters


Former Vice President Joe Biden leads a selection of Democratic presidential candidates and potential candidates among millennial voters, according to a survey released Monday.

According to CBS News, a poll organized by the University of Chicago's GenForward Project found that Biden has the support of 21 percent of voters between the ages of 18 and 34. Coming in second is Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is supported by 18 percent of millennials, according to the poll.

The poll also showed that young minority voters support Biden. Twenty-nine percent of Asian-American millennials, 28 percent of African-American millennials and 19 percent of Hispanic millennials said they plan to back Biden, the poll found.

The poll was based on interviews with 2,134 millennials from Feb. 8 to Feb. 25 and has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points, according to CBS News.

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From the CBS article:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-leads-2020-democrats-in-millennial-support-poll-finds/

Former Vice President Joe Biden, who is mulling a White House bid, leads declared and potential Democratic presidential candidates in support among millennial voters, according to a new poll of adults between the ages of 18 and 34.

The poll, organized by the University of Chicago's GenForward Survey Project, found that 21 percent of millennials back Biden over Democrats who have entered the crowded primary field, including Sens. Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren. Sanders, whose insurgent 2016 campaign was fueled by ardent support among young progressive voters, is a close second at 18 percent.

According to the poll, Biden also enjoys strong support among young minority voters. With support from 29 percent of Asian American millennials, 28 percent of African American millennials and 19 percent of millennial whites, the former Delaware senator led in all surveyed voting blocs — except millennial Latinos. Twenty-six percent of Hispanics between the ages of 18 and 34 said they support Sanders. Among that group, Biden came in second with 19 percent support.

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[BeckyDem]

57. uh huh. the polls also said Trump would not win.

[Cha]

5. ".. Joe Biden's strong stand on gun issues and Russia sanctions."

Mahalo, lapucelle!

[rampartc]

2. many of us consider this vote to be disqualifying

fortunately the generation of congresscritters who enabled that disasterous adventure is aging out of politics.

[Demsrule86]

18. Many of us want to save our country from Trump.

[WeekiWater]

6. It should be taken into consideration.

So far Biden, Gabbard and Sanders are the ones I’m least pleased about foreign policy. Biden being better than the other two. I’m looking forward to hearing more from some of the other candidates.

[BannonsLiver]

7. I won't.

[oldsoftie]

10. So no votes for Hillary in '16 from all of you who feel this way?

Or did it only matter enough during the primary?

[yellowwoodII]

15. Yes

When that vote happened, I kept a copy of the tally of those who voted for and against the war. I vowed never to vote for any of those who voted for it.
So I voted for Bernie in the primary but had no choice in the general election and voted for Hillary.
This time I will vote for a primary candidate who appears to have at least eight good years in front of him, so I am looking at a younger candidate than Bernie or Biden. (I still like Bernie.)

[lapucelle]

22. So you broke your vow? N/T

[NurseJackie]

25. Hmmm. I'll keep my thoughts to myself.

But you know me well enough to know what I'm thinking.

[yellowwoodII]

33. Yes, regrettably

Just so you know: I could be enthusiastic for Elizabeth Warren. It would be just so great to not have to "settle" for a candidate. But I will jump on board with the party when it comes to that.

[R B Garr]

29. There would be no Iraq war but for the purity standards

against Gore by the third party liar Naderites. That gave us Bush/Cheney and it’s their war. Republicans started the Iraq war.

Some of those third party liars did the same jobber on Hillary, so no more shirking responsibility for intentional strategies to screw Democrats over to “send messages”.

[lapucelle]

32. There would also be no Roberts Court or Citizens United.

A Nobel Peace Prize recipient for environmental activism was not pure enough for the Naderites.

[R B Garr]

41. Exactly, lapucelle! Gore was a huge sacrifice for the RW domination

ushered in just to “send messages.” The Iraq war is on them, along with the other wreckage over the last twenty years.

[lapucelle]

43. Paul Krugman warned about a repeat.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html

[LongtimeAZDem]

37. +∞

[AlexSFCA]

45. Democrats controlled senate in 2002

the year senate voted on iraq war. Don’t you forget that. Both Biden and Clinto played pivotal roles in the aurhorization of the war that killed thousands of americans for no good reason whatsoever.

[R B Garr]

46. Don't you forget who ushered in Bush Cheney. Iraq

is THEIR war. They wanted to “send messages”, and look what the GOP’s answer was. We are not fooled by these blame Democrats endless distractions. There was not a GD thing wrong with Gore as the Naderites lied about.

[AlexSFCA]

47. He couldnt do it w/o senate support

senate failed to perform their check and balances. And, unfortunately, it was dem controlled senate. And when Obama won, he failed to prosecute war criminals and so they are all unpunished.

[R B Garr]

60. Laughable . He was already doing it. Nothing was going to

stop them.

There would be no Iraq war but for the purity standards from the Nader lies about Gore. The war is on those who ushered in Bush/Cheney. They wanted to “send messages”!and look what it got them —-war.

It was Republicans who started the Iraq war. Republicans. Those who ushered in Republicans are rightfully to blame.

[jalan48]

59. +1

[Hoyt]

31. Like Buttigieg a lot, but he joined the military in a time when we were killing innocent Muslims.

I think Congresspeople often vote for legislation and resolutions when it's going to pass anyway and many would question your patriotism -- or support of the troops -- to vote against. That was a bad time, and I don't condemn candidates for voting for the Iraq Resolution after bush and cheney had drummed up the war. I do condemn bush and cheney and GOPers who helped them set the stage for war. Turned out to be a mass killing of innocent people and destabilized the world. But, I get why some candidates voted for the resolution.

[comradebillyboy]

39. So being a military veteran is a disqualifier for you? Good to know.

[Hoyt]

42. Didn't say that, although I don't have a lot of respect for white wingers who joined military

because they are racist bigots (not saying that applies to Pete B). And there's a big group of them in our military today.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/02/28/white-nationalism-remains-a-problem-for-the-military-poll-shows/


If a Pete B supporter can ask if Biden, Clinton, etc. is disqualified for voting for Iraq War Resolution, I can ask if the same applies to someone who joined military at a time when their main focus was bombing Muslims.

[stonecutter357]

34. I'll take Joe Biden over most of the rest anyday !

[awesomerwb1]

35. Great to know!!

Thank you for letting us know as most of us were waiting anxiously for your decision!! Pheewww.

[emmaverybo]

40. Many did vote for it but...

They based their vote on the information they had, which was based on lies. Ultimately, Biden became an outspoken critic of the war.

[AlexSFCA]

44. Biden won't win primary

and that vote alone would sink him in the general election. It was the biggest mistake that he and Hillary did in their entire careers.
Had they both voted and advocated strongly against that war, it would have influenced many others to do the same and we would have not destroyed countless lives and drained our budget. There is no apology for that. It is impossible. Never forget that Democrats controlled the senate in 2002, the year that war was authorized.

[elleng]

48. Who DIDN'T?

[yellowwoodII]

49. These Democrats Didn't

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
* Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
* Barbara Boxer (D-California)
* Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
* Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
* Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
* Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
* Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
* Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
* Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
* Bob Graham (D-Florida)
* Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
* Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
* Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
* Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
* Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
* Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
* Patty Murray (D-Washington)
* Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
* Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
* Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
* The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
* Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

[elleng]

50. Thanks.

I didn't recall it was so many.

[emulatorloo]

53. Which of those Democrats is running for President in 2020? TIA

I will be happy to cast a primary vote for any and all of them.

[yellowwoodII]

55. Well, he's not a Democrat, but...

Bernie voted against it. Here's his speech. Wise words.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war

[MyNameGoesHere]

56. BUTTIGIEG

Actively participated in a war that was wrong, and he is super smart and intellectual.