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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:31 PM Apr 2019

Connie Shultz, Sherrod Brown's Pulitzer prize-winning wife, explains who she WON'T vote for:


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I haven’t decided yet which presidential candidate I’m supporting. A surefire way to guarantee it isn’t you is to cast those who oppose you as sinister non-believers, and their support for someone else as an act of aggression.



https://www.creators.com/read/connie-schultz

Exploring and discussing candidates' strengths and weaknesses is a crucial part of the primary process. Sharing our views and listening to the opinions of others — informed and otherwise — is part of the process, too. So is hashing out coverage of candidates and responding to how they evolve, or don't, on the campaign trail.


An opposing viewpoint about your favorite candidate is not an act of sabotage. Disagreeing with a candidate — out loud, in public — is not an attempt to hand over the 2020 election to Donald Trump, nor is it providing fodder for Republican attacks for the fall. For that to be true, Trump and his cabal would be planning a fair fight. That will not happen, and anyone who believes otherwise needs to leap out of that animated Disney movie and join the rest of us here on Earth.

This column began as a repeated refrain on my public Facebook page. Every time I post a story offering the slightest scrutiny of a Democratic candidate, accusations of "eating our own" swarm like fruit flies to a putrefied peach. We are vetting candidates, not consuming them.

SNIP

I see this happening too often, even in earnest debates about candidates. Someone raises a concern about a Democrat, and another Democrat lunges. Accusing someone of "eating our own" is not a call for unity. It's a reprimand, and it often feels like an attempt to intimidate and silence.
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Connie Shultz, Sherrod Brown's Pulitzer prize-winning wife, explains who she WON'T vote for: (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2019 OP
Who did that? nt tblue37 Apr 2019 #1
I think Bernie did it this week. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #31
That is our Connie! True Blue American Apr 2019 #2
Okay, Brown whipping DeWines ass, again, would be nice irisblue Apr 2019 #15
That was what True Blue American Apr 2019 #16
Perfect! MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #3
I'm totally confused by this tweet. Anyone else? Quemado Apr 2019 #4
She's using a general you and she blm Apr 2019 #5
I just added the the OP a piece of hers that further explains her viewpoint. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #6
What Connie is saying is any candidate that True Blue American Apr 2019 #17
That's not what she's saying, IMO. I think she says that any candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #19
Wasn't that basically what True Blue American Apr 2019 #20
I guess I misunderstood what you meant about "bad things." n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #22
:) True Blue American Apr 2019 #23
That is how I read it. Along with accusing reliable Democratic Party ally organizations. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #32
I give up. I'm not a millenial. Quemado Apr 2019 #24
She's talking about Bernie and his most ardent supporters. nt ecstatic Apr 2019 #7
Or anyone who thinks a candidate should be coronated because he's at the top pnwmom Apr 2019 #8
And the ardent anti-Berners. nt shanny Apr 2019 #10
No, she's talking about supporters of most candidates who think a critique of them is unacceptable. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #30
She's talking about the cap (non) controversy. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #9
What is the cap controversy? murielm99 Apr 2019 #21
I'd also like to know oldsoftie Apr 2019 #26
CAP is the Center for American Progress. Blue_true Apr 2019 #33
Oh, I see. murielm99 Apr 2019 #35
Bernie and his supporters. Blue_true Apr 2019 #36
I totally get what she's saying Cha Apr 2019 #11
I thought you would! True Blue American Apr 2019 #18
It's too Cha Apr 2019 #28
It's a fair criticism. plimsoll Apr 2019 #12
sounds like she is referring to the reaction to CAP JI7 Apr 2019 #13
Sounds like it to me too. nt Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #14
Can't say I disagree with this: Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #25
I do agree with this rpannier Apr 2019 #27
Kick dalton99a Apr 2019 #29
she gives three examples KayF Apr 2019 #34
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. I think Bernie did it this week. nt
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:14 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
2. That is our Connie!
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:35 PM
Apr 2019

Next step is for Sherrod to run against DeWine and clean up our state.

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irisblue

(32,991 posts)
15. Okay, Brown whipping DeWines ass, again, would be nice
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:27 PM
Apr 2019

DeWine never ever got over that.

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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
16. That was what
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019

I was thinking!

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Quemado

(1,262 posts)
4. I'm totally confused by this tweet. Anyone else?
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:38 PM
Apr 2019

So, who is "you"?

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blm

(113,070 posts)
5. She's using a general you and she
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:48 PM
Apr 2019

specifies how those yous would lose her support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. I just added the the OP a piece of hers that further explains her viewpoint. n/t
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:10 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
17. What Connie is saying is any candidate that
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:35 PM
Apr 2019

Says bad things about another candidate will not get her vote!

The question is was she referring to anyone in particular?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. That's not what she's saying, IMO. I think she says that any candidate
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:41 PM
Apr 2019

who basically accuses another Democrat of being a bad or corrupt person, because of differing policies, will not get her vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
20. Wasn't that basically what
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:45 PM
Apr 2019

I posted?

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
22. I guess I misunderstood what you meant about "bad things." n/t
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:55 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. That is how I read it. Along with accusing reliable Democratic Party ally organizations. nt
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:16 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
24. I give up. I'm not a millenial.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:21 PM
Apr 2019

Born in '55. I guess I'm just used to people communicating straight up without all the indirect innuendoes.

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ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
7. She's talking about Bernie and his most ardent supporters. nt
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:15 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. Or anyone who thinks a candidate should be coronated because he's at the top
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:29 PM
Apr 2019

of opinion polls -- instead of being vetted.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
10. And the ardent anti-Berners. nt
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:39 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
30. No, she's talking about supporters of most candidates who think a critique of them is unacceptable.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:01 AM
Apr 2019

That includes DUers on all sides, though she is not referring to us in particular because this is going on all over the web.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
9. She's talking about the cap (non) controversy.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:37 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
21. What is the cap controversy?
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:50 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
26. I'd also like to know
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:27 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. CAP is the Center for American Progress.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:19 AM
Apr 2019

A distinctly left leaning think tank that Bernie went after as being establishment democrats earlier this week. One of the Center's donors also started the very left MoveOn.org.

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murielm99

(30,745 posts)
35. Oh, I see.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:13 AM
Apr 2019

It is a controversy because Bernie makes noise? I do remember reading about the CAP thing now. This reminds me of how he said Planned Parenthood was "essshtablishment." Show Bernie your uncritical devotion or else.

The OP has a point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
36. Bernie and his supporters.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:33 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie's supporters will literally go to war for him. I see Bernie as an idealistic but flawed primary candidate.

His supporters here finally found some footing on the tax return by comparing Bernie's giving rate favorably to what Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Harris and O'Rouke gave. Klobuchar and Gillibrand are certainly NOT wealthy, so I could see lower giving in some years. O'Rouke and Harris had a giving issue, especially Harris, who swamped everyone on earnings at close to $2 million. BUT what the Bernie supporter that dug up the data failed to mention was what two competitors did with giving. I happened to stumble across the data about an hour ago while starting to read for the night. Elizabeth Warren made substantially less than Bernie but gave more that twice what Bernie gave to charity, her at 8.4% of her earnings. But the best of all was Inslee. Jay Inslee made around one fifth what Bernie made and gave a whole percent more than what Bernie gave to charity.

The issue that I have with Bernie is his lecturing of the rich. Senator Warren sometimes pans the rich too. But when the rubber met the road as far as living what she demanded, she did more than twice what Bernie did.

If a person lives the letter of what they demand that other people of similar conditions live then I have no issue at all with that person, he or she is being true to what he or she believes. But as we see a lot with rightwing evangelicals, a lot of people are not true to the principles that they demand of others. So on a nutshell, if Bernie was true to his concern about helping the downtrodden, his giving would have been similar to Senator Warren's or Governor Inslee, but his giving does not match those two people and his supporters are looking over that by highlighting the giving of O'Rouke and Harris, but neither of those two make a daily habit of lecturing the rich and pointing out how evil they are (many rich are bastards about helping the unfortunate of society, but a lot are not).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,341 posts)
11. I totally get what she's saying
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:42 PM
Apr 2019

Mahalo Connie

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True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
18. I thought you would!
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:35 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
12. It's a fair criticism.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:47 PM
Apr 2019

Probably not even most Democrats, but enough. The ones who do behave that way make life unpleasant. I really do hope we have the best candidate, not the one with the most obnoxious acolytes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

JI7

(89,254 posts)
13. sounds like she is referring to the reaction to CAP
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:48 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
14. Sounds like it to me too. nt
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:56 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
25. Can't say I disagree with this:
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:25 PM
Apr 2019
Accusing someone of "eating our own" is not a call for unity. It's a reprimand, and it often feels like an attempt to intimidate and silence.


Just keep in mind what is good for the goose...
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rpannier

(24,330 posts)
27. I do agree with this
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:29 PM
Apr 2019

Funny things is, in another thread on something not about her and her comment, I wrote something similar, but not as eloquent

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KayF

(1,345 posts)
34. she gives three examples
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:52 AM
Apr 2019

1. she criticized Beto calling his wife the primary caregiver of their kids
2. she shared a photo of Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren smiling
3. she criticized Bernie's flip comment about his book income

She's talking about over-sensitive reactions to things she's written, and gave those three examples.

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