I do not think you only have a right to health care if you have the money to afford it.

[Uncle Joe]

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[Hoyt]

1. Thanks, most of us here feel that way. Hopefully, we'll get there with a Democrat who is electable

and plans that are passable.

[still_one]

2. Everyone has a right to healthcare

[The Magistrate]

3. Golly, Sir, There's Something Nobody Before 'Bernie' Ever Thought Or Said

Jesus H Christ on a bouncing pogo-stick.

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[PuffedMica]

4. Never let an opportunity to bash Bernie go to waste.

[The Magistrate]

7. This Sort Of Puffery Is Just Silly, Sir

Or do you imagine this is an original thought with Sanders?

Nigh on seventy years ago Mr. Truman attempted to proceed to this goal. The political forces opposed to it could not be overcome. The effort was renewed by Sen. Kennedy, and by Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. President Obama managed to take a good stride towards the goal. Democratic office-holders continue to work towards it.

Why are we supposed to come over all a'flutter because Sanders has disgorged yet another platitude? He has been sputtering about this for some time, and achieved nothing in particular towards its fruition. The only reasonable response to comments like this from Sanders is to treat them as the mere noise they are. They signify less than nothing.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[PuffedMica]

15. It does not need to be an original thought; it needs to be policy.

Go ahead and bash Bernie some more. Other people are trying to help the country.

[The Magistrate]

19. Sanders Has Shown Himself Incapable Of Enacting Policy, Sir

He has nothing anyone would regard as substantive legislative achievement. He talks, and he preens on his commitment to principles, and that is about all. The show has grown old and very, very tired.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[PuffedMica]

20. You are telling me Bernie can't do it an Joe won't do it.

We are so screwed.

[The Magistrate]

21. A Pronoun Without a Referent, Sir, Is Useless

For what does 'it' stand?

[PuffedMica]

22. "IT" stands for grammarian.

Look it up wordsmith.

[The Magistrate]

23. So, Sir, Bernie Can't Do 'Grammarian' And Biden Won't Do 'Grammarian'?

Any particular grammarian you have in mind?



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[The Magistrate]

25. If You Feel Driven By That To Concede, Sir

I see no point in arguing with you....

"I'm going home now. Someone get me some frogs and some bourbon."

[PuffedMica]

26. I wasn't arguing with you, I was entertaining your fantasy that Joe would make a better President

Daydream away

[sop]

27. "Joe has won the nomination and Bernie is no longer a factor."

So, why hasn't Bernie dropped out of the primary? And why are Bernie's surrogates still pounding Biden for his old Senate votes?

[sheshe2]

28. Wait, what?

PuffedMica

By your own words:

Joe has won the nomination and Bernie is no longer a factor.

By your own words, Biden has won. Then the question remains, why has he not bowed out?

[Demsrule86]

36. Joe will pass a public option which will bring us to universal coverage...

That is possible...Sanders...doesn't deal in reality.

[Demsrule86]

35. And in Bernie's years in Congress was never able to do that...and he never will can't get stuff done

He talks and talks.

[MarcA]

16. You accuse other of puffery. n/t

[The Magistrate]

18. Sanders Engages In Puffery, Sir, Quite Often

It seems to be something of a hobby for the man, to make various pious noises in tones which are calculated to suggest no one else has ever said anything so radically progressive as what has just now left his mouth. Generally the things he says are not just trite, but reekily ancient, dating back decades. To all appearances, the man really has not had a new thought since about 1980, at the latest.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Ellen Forradalom]

5. Pure grandstanding at this moment.

Bernie would do well to return to Washington and do the job he was elected to do.

[The Magistrate]

8. I Agree, Ma'am

And it is worth pointing out that 'MediCare for All' is in essence just a sales slogan. The idea is that, because people are mostly satisfied with Medicare, using that name for a program of national health insurance will lend that established goodwill to the proposed reform.

But people ought not make the mistake of thinking Medicare is free. Premiums are paid out of Social Security checks by withholding, just as taxes are drawn from salary checks. These go towards the basic government insurance, which many find necessary to augment by private policies taken on in addition, and at additional cost. If the program were extended to all ages and conditions, monies would have to be collected.

I agree the total would be less than the sums currently paid to private insurers as premiums, but they would still be substantial, and many would still desire and seek additional private insurance. Not even MedicAid is free --- if you know someone who is on SSI or disability, you will find a premium for MedicAid is deducted from the check.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[NCProgressive]

10. Bernie devotees think every idea

from paper to steam engines to light bulbs to airplanes to telephones to transistors to integrated circuits came from and only from Bernie.

Even Sliced Bread!

[Turin_C3PO]

11. I wish everyone

could have the coverage I have. I’m on SSDI and I have Medicare as a primary with Medicaid as a secondary. I pay nothing for doctors, hospital stays, surgeries, and medications. Not one cent. That’s what I wish for everyone in this country. I don’t know how much it would cost, though.

In the meantime, let’s work to get Biden elected so that the ACA can be expanded with a robust public option added.

[Ellen Forradalom]

32. I do too.

Medicare for All would be grand. But where are the votes? I need to see a political path to it. In the meantime, expanding Obamacare vs. attempting to strike it down in court is a nobrainer decision.

[Ellen Forradalom]

33. What I object to is confusing goals and implementation.

Universal health coverage is a goal.
M4A is one possible implementation.
Every country with universal coverage has a different way of doing it.
We need to move towards it in a way that is politically feasible for our country.

[The Magistrate]

34. I Agree, Ma'am

It seems to me the Affordable Care Act is a good beginning, and ought to be improved, and can be improved. At least assuming we can break the Republican majority in the Senate.

[George II]

31. Or return to North Hero and enjoy the new home he bought with CASH in 2016.

[George II]

13. "I do not think you only have a right to a chicken in your pot if you have the money to afford it"..

[George II]

6. That's not a novel concept. Clearly Joe Biden thinks so, too - that's why he called the ACA a "BFD"!

[NCProgressive]

9. This is old news

Other Democrats from Harry S. Truman to LBJ to Ted Kennedy to Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton to Barack Obama have said the same thing.

Why is Bernie wasting bandwidth?

[beastie boy]

12. DUH!

[W_HAMILTON]

14. Neither do any of the Democrats that support universal healthcare.

[Mr.Bill]

17. Right now this country is being run

by people who don't even think we have a right to clean air and water.

[MineralMan]

29. Neither do I. Neither does Joe Biden.

I don't know anyone here who thinks that. Do you?

[gulliver]

30. Therefore, I will cause Dems to lose this election, so that every human being will have health care.

In a decade.

[The Magistrate]

37. As The Fallen Angel Said, Sir

"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."

Get right down to the bottom of it, there really is not much more to Sanders' ambitions than that. If the people do not receive from the hand of 'Bernie' exactly what 'Bernie' knows the people need, the people must go without any aid at all, in punishment for rejecting 'Bernie'....


"The thing boils down to asserting no bread is better than half a loaf."