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New York TimesWASHINGTON Senator Bernie Sanders, in a rare and forceful rebuke by a presidential candidate of an influential party ally, has accused a liberal think tank of undermining Democrats chances of taking back the White House in 2020 by using its resources to smear him and other contenders pushing progressive policies.
Mr. Sanderss criticism of the Center for American Progress, delivered on Saturday in a letter obtained by The New York Times, reflects a simmering ideological battle within the Democratic Party and threatens to reopen wounds from the 2016 primary between him and Hillary Clintons allies. The letter airs criticisms shared among his supporters: That the think tank, which has close ties to Mrs. Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment, is beholden to corporate donors and has worked to quash a leftward shift in the party led partly by Mr. Sanders.
This counterproductive negative campaigning needs to stop, Mr. Sanders wrote to the boards of the Center for American Progress and its sister group, the Center for American Progress Action Fund. The Democratic primary must be a campaign of ideas, not of bad-faith smears. Please help play a constructive role in the effort to defeat Donald Trump.
Mr. Sanders sent the letter days after a website run by the action fund, ThinkProgress, suggested that his attacks on income inequality were hypocritical in light of his growing personal wealth. The letter is tantamount to a warning shot to the Democratic establishment that Mr. Sanders who continues to criticize party insiders on the campaign trail will not countenance a repeat of the 2016 primary, when he and his supporters believe party leaders and allies worked to deny him the Democratic nomination.
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OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Link to tweet
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KitSileya
(4,035 posts)David Sirota had a very disturbing obsession with Neera Tanden, which would have been very visible if he hadn't deleted 20,000 tweets where he kept bringing her up and talking about her.
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MH1
(17,600 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It was issued under Sanders' name; he owns it. If it's not him, he should say so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Two of the very worst trolls on twitter.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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radical noodle
(8,000 posts)Sanders shows us who he really is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Link to tweet
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We sometimes go so far as to tell ourselves things with zero evidence supporting them. On the other hand, that bias can be quite comforting (if not absolutely necessary) to a well-developed sense of weltanschauung.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,210 posts)divisiveness
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KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Anyone who followed his twitter saw that before he deleted the evidence like the hack journalist he is. Wouldn't surprise me if this is a result of his obsession - either by being a quote from him, or because he has filled Senator Sanders's ears about her, and the senator being unable to spot the skewed view and then reproducing it in an interview.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)three of the very worst trolls on Twitter.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)Progress out right now before this stuff gets out of hand. The Think Progress opinion piece and video questioning Sanders' authenticity were out of line.
He's not my personal front runner for my vote right now, but I 100% support Sanders on this.
Clearly, the party establishment fears Sanders, but openly seeking to undermine his candidacy is probably the best way to repeat the 2016 result.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)"oh please please please please I beg you, don't expose my hypocrisy."
This is Trump like in that it will rile up the base but won't move a needle otherwise.
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TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Is to let people do hit pieces on you and never say anything about it. I certainly hope none of our candidates follow your advice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)stating that the story is inaccurate.
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KPN
(15,646 posts)because you have a problem with him. I understand but disagree with what you see as his faults/flaws. I dont share that perspective to any degree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Do you know who else attacks media like that?
Donald J. Trump.
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KPN
(15,646 posts)that is going nowhere productive. Sound off all you want. I couldnt disagree with either your views or apparent attitude about this issue any more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And downright bizarre to attack a liberal voice over a video that not many people have seen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)position and data to protect. Bernie is like the runner who jumps in from the weeds during the last few miles of the race.
He throws bombs at the "establishment" from behind the lines while their backs are turned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)like me who have been registered Democrats since, in my case as an example 1972, and loyal voters for all candidates democrat since is irrelevant? Thats not a relationship? The relationship with voting party members? WTF?
Infrastructure? As in establishment?
Data? Yet they wanted Sanders badly last time despite not sharing with Sanders?
And I dont even know what you mean by position.
Im glad he had ruffled the establishment frankly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)that as much as you love Sanders, he attacks the Democratic party and is only using people like you by floating unworkable slogans that you hold dear.
I refuse to be manipulated that way and I shall remain loyal to the real Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)with your comments of "using people like you...unworkable slogans and your refusal to be manipulated when no one is trying to do so...
he attacks the Democratic party and is only using people like you by floating unworkable slogans that you hold dear.
I refuse to be manipulated that way and I shall remain loyal to the real Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,096 posts)He always does. It lasted over a month this time.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=351748
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Plus, Think Progress is a Clinton rah-rah group?
Who would have thunk?
The bitterness is already showing. Instead of lashing out, why doesn't Sanders answer the criticism? Mineral Man had a perfectly good argument up as an OP this morning.
Warning: this is only the beginning, Senator Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)considered and attack an him and a threat to defeating Trump. He is already using the "democratic establishment" imagery as a way to create divisions among democrats. Maybe he should go over, sit down and have a conversation with Neera and the other CFAP members instead of throwing shade on their integrity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Even once it becomes clear that he won't be nominated (if that happens), I expect him to doggedly continue on with sharper attacks on the "democratic establishment", setting up more hostility toward democrats by his supporters.
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)wink wink
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peggysue2
(10,829 posts)fine example of that and a very thin skin approach. It was Bernie Sanders' decision to withhold his tax receipts with one excuse after another while howling about the excesses of millionaires and billionaires. He didn't think anyone would notice that his own wealth had grown to millionaire+ status? Or that very fact might raise eyebrows/questions in light of his own stump speeches about the sins of capitalism?
Come on!
He and his supporters should have been prepared with a reasonable answer to the criticism and snark, rather than the angry pushback and accusations which simply digs the hole deeper.
You might be right that this response is a shot across the bow that any Bernie vetting is taboo.
Good luck with that!
Their real beef is with Think Progress. My understanding is that TP works independently, that published work is not controlled by members of the larger organization. Why not go to the source of the vid instead of casting a wide net to accuse others of undermining the campaign specifically and progressives generally?
A very Trumpian response. Not a good look.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Sanders is burning his own bridges with these responses. The angry, sharp-elbow approach is not attractive and simply reminds people of how exhausting it is to deal with unreasonable people.
Not a good look, particularly in the times we're a-living.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)"The kettle is black."
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ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)Ever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He seems unwilling to change his ideas in the face of evidence they may not work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Reminds me of someone else in the news, who is squatting in OUR House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Make it stop!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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comradebillyboy
(10,151 posts)If he over reacts to a mild rebuke from a liberal outfit just think how he would react to the kind of personal ridicule and smears he would get fro Trump and the repukes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)His campaign wants to raise $27M from each of the 50 states ($1.35B).
You too could run for President and write a best seller.
Do we still get to see the tax returns he said they needed to fix?
Link to tweet
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Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)I dont see him being getting the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,600 posts)Sanders' choosing to run has already done that.
Go home, dude. You've done quite enough already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,151 posts)Bernie and The Donald, the only two people still attacking Hillary. It's quite sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dogman
(6,073 posts)The Center for American Progress is an organization whose massive annual budget is bankrolled by billionaires and corporate executives that profit from finance, pharmaceutical companies, fossil fuels, and sending American jobs overseas.
Last year alone, they took funding from financial giants like Bank of America and Blackstone, whose CEO was chair of Trump's business council and is a leading Republican donor.
Before that, they cashed checks from companies like BlueCross Blue Shield, Pfizer, WalMart, and defense contractors like General Dynamics and BAE Systems.
They also took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the fossil fuel pumping United Arab Emirates while the country was bombing innocent civilians in Yemen a war Bernie has led the fight to end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)you wanna be a frontrunner? This goes with the territory.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BS needs to look in the mirror.
Link to tweet
Thanks, Goth!
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fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)And we already got Trump out of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Somehow Im not surprised that the Bernie camp would fire a salvo over the bow of an important liberal institution.
Im sick of cheap shots and petty divisiveness. It is even worse if divisiveness is aimed at a progressive ally. So much for unity.
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Baclava
(12,047 posts)sounds familiar
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)He will fight any moderate Dem and attack any "establishment" candidate as his way of making noise, its his schtick. I dont hold it against him, he does what he does and he brings in the crowds of faithful believers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Which candidate is he attacking? He is also defending other candidates from their smears. Again who are they working for?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)You don't fuck with The Bern
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Bernie is the only one that gets to point out shortcomings in everyone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's so hard to keep up. How can I take this seriously when I've heard nothing but smears against Democrats and the Democratic party for the past two years?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,536 posts)Unity: Obey my demands because I am the only one who can save our country, the Democratic Party will not.
"The political, financial and media elite of this country will stop at nothing to defeat us. ... They not only want to discourage or defeat a Sanders candidacy, they want to make sure that the progressive agenda is not advanced by anyone. They want us to go back to their failed corporatist approach ... . Last time we ran, we made the financial elite pay a price for their attacks on our progressive agenda. It is just as important we do it again today."
Divisiveness: Objecting to my demands, objecting to "constructive criticism" of the Democratic Party, and criticizing me in any way (which is always a smear no matter how true). Oh, and questions, don't ask me questions.
"My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt. ... They have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism."
"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,151 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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LisaM
(27,813 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)...because he didn't like what they said about him? I swear, that sounds positively Trumpian. Especially considering his campaign manager used to be the editor-in-chief of the think tank's website, and another in his campaign claimed to be an independent journalist while working with the campaign, and used his duplicity to attack the woman of color in charge of the think tank for daring to criticize the Senator.
Yup, Trumpian is the right word for this mess, which ideally should disqualify the Senator from the nomination immediately. We already have one manbaby attacking people for saying critical things about him and sending his attack dogs to destroy them while lying in the White House. We don't need a lite version of him as our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,536 posts)Uh oh, CAP, Bernie is going to tell on you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Link to tweet
Now he has gone into full attack-and-destroy mode, targeting in a vitriolic letter the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that has advanced, for example, a health-care plan that expands Medicare but is distinct from the Sanders Medicare-for-all plan, and CAP Action Fund, CAPs political arm.....
Whats the reason for his letter? One can surmise its about working the refs, trying to intimidate others from criticizing his ideas or him. Sanderss effort is downright bizarre, when you think about it. Imagine if Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) railed at the New York Times editorial page, demanding more praise, or if Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) demanded the Nation be more friendly. A Democratic veteran of many campaigns (not associated with CAP) observes, This is disgracefully Trumpian, as Sanders desperately tries to create a fake controversy to change the subject on the eve of the release of his tax returns. If he cant take some accurate, fairly lighthearted ribbing from a progressive source, hes proving that hed be incapable of weathering the general election hurricane that Trump would unleash.....
We already have a president who cant take the rough and tumble of politics and wants to silence critics. I find it hard to imagine that Democrats want someone who might be just as touchy and intolerant of criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)BS having a snitty fit
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awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Wants to get this out there so that his shameful, some despicable, surrogates pick it up and follow that line of attack.
He's desperate, the last train is leaving and he'll use the scorched earth strategy if he "has" to. Then he'll just blame the EsTaBlIsHmEnT again. And a lot of his fanatics will vote for trump or Stein to "own" the establishment Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Counter-productive, indeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden