Sanders sees path to beating Trump in Rust Belt

[Uncle Joe]

(snip)

Sanders’s aides and advisers are convinced that the self-described democratic socialist is the candidate best positioned to win over working-class voters in 2020, arguing that his populist message and insurgent style will yield gains in states carried by Trump.

(snip)

But they also say that his core message — that decades of lopsided trade deals and special interests in Washington have exacted a toll on the country’s working class — has a particular appeal to many of the voters who put Trump in the White House, especially those in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

"They realize now that they’ve been hoodwinked, and who’s more to trust than someone who’s been talking about this their entire career?” Chuck Rocha, a senior adviser to Sanders, said.

Norman Solomon, a coordinator for an informal group of Sanders delegates called the Bernie Delegates Network, said Sanders is positioning himself "to win over people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012" but cast ballots for Trump in 2016.

(snip)


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438710-sanders-sees-path-to-beating-trump-in-rust-belt

[33taw]

1. I think it would help in Wisconsin if the nominee made some appearances in the state.

Including northern and rural areas. Picking off small numbers of voters in rural counties helped Trump win. The same thing happened in the Supreme Court battle this April.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Ignoring any state won't happen on Bernie's watch.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[33taw]

69. Hopefully, it is more than Milwaukee and Madison.

[33taw]

72. Trump will have his second rally in Green Bay tomorrow. Not 1 Dem. foolish strategy.

[pangaia]

2. Why, WHY OH WHY oh WHY,

do SO MANY people. writers, media outlets.. keep using "self-described democratic socialist ?"

They don't call anybody else a self- described capitalist, or whatever.

Of course I know why. because they have no brains, that's why. No functioning cells above the neck.


I'm tired of it.
Nothing I can do....

[dogman]

4. Why don't they describe t-Rump as a self-described mob boss?

Reveling in his ability to bribe and be bribed. Stating he could shoot someone in public and get away with it. More criminal acts than I care to list.

[Gothmog]

3. sanders is not electable

Link to tweet

[BlueFlorida]

7. +1000 nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. Why are people constantly posting right wing bloggers telling us how one of our candidates...

.... is “unelectable”?




I say these embarrassed right wingers piss off back to their own side of the aisle.

Between this dude and constant postings on “Right Turn” blogger Jennifer Rubin, I feel like I made a wrong run and landed on Tucker Carlson’s page.


LOL: Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy

Let me guess, this guy hates gay people.

Henry Olsen
Henry Olsen is a Washington Post columnist and a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center

The Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) is a conservative[2][3] Washington, D.C.-based think tank and advocacy group. Founded in 1976, the group describes itself as "dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy", and advocacy of founding principles such as the rule of law.[4] The EPPC is active in a number of ways, including hosting lectures and conferences,[5] publishing written work[6] from the group's scholars,[7] and running programs[8] intended to explore areas of public concern and interest.

[George II]

10. The Washington Post isn't a "right wing source", and Henry Olson isn't a "blogger". Plus....

...."Puesto Loco" is far from right wing.

[Demsrule86]

13. Someone in your camp posted Lou Dobson video yesterdau.so

So....

[Cha]

17. Because they're NOT.. you're just labeling

it that way.

[Gothmog]

24. So that polling is not accurate?

Ignoring facts will not make these facts go away in the real world

You do know that sanders will not be getting any support from African American voters in the primaries? The booing of Congressman John Lewis was a planned stunt by the sanders delegates. The Clinton campaign found out about it and I was warned about this stunt 20 to 30 minutes in advance. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this stunt and declined. The fact that sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis will come up and be used in ads. I know that my whip would be glad to show up in an ad about

How will sanders get the nomination without any significant African American support?

[Gothmog]

27. No one took sanders seriously last cycle and so the press never vetted sanders

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

There is a ton of strong opposition research out there that will come out this cycle

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Good question!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

36. The polling numbers are not going to change in the real world

The polling numbers are not going to change just because you do NOT like these numbers

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Polling numbers change all the time... didn't we learn anything from the last election?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

39. Unfavorability numbers are very hard to change

There are a very large number of real democrats who have long memories who will not forgive or forget

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Guess not.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Kahuna7]

62. The pollster is rated A-. The source posting the poll...

shouldn't matter. I wouldn't shoot the messenger.

[Gothmog]

68. If sanders is the nominee, trump wins

Link to tweet

[BlueStater]

22. Neither is Biden.

His previous two presidential campaigns are all the evidence I need of that.

Both of them need to go away.

[Gothmog]

23. Biden's Bulldogs give him an edge

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/13/biden-bulldogs-1272931

The two-term vice president has a built-in institutional advantage over his Democratic rivals as he prepares to enter the crowded primary as the presumptive frontrunner in the contest to take on President Donald Trump. Biden has a stable of as many as a dozen senators and still more in the House that are prepared to vouch for him when he inevitably comes under siege.....

Yet no other White House hopeful has such a broad congressional coalition as Biden, who can likely count House members and senators like Doug Jones of Alabama to align with him once he gets in the race. The candidate most closely trailing him in the polls, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), has a fraction of the support in the party establishment that Biden has. Few rose to Sanders’ defense amid criticism that he’s been to slow to release his tax returns, particularly in comparison to when Biden has faced a backlash.

“Longstanding relationships with people who know you, who know who you are and what you stand for, always gives you credibility,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.). Biden eulogized her husband, former Rep. John Dingell — the longest serving lawmaker in history — earlier this year.

“I’m not meaning to make a comparison,” Coons said. But “among the two dozen [Senate Democrats] who did serve with him, at least half of them are being advocates for him.”

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Every candidate, like Hillary & Joe, deserved their 2nd chance... 3 times is not the charm...

Now, it's Bernie's turn to take another shot at the presidency.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

37. How can sanders get the nomination without African American voter support?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. As I said, Bernie deserves a second shot at the nomination, like Hillary & Joe have had.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

42. Booing Congressman John Lewis was a bad move

Good luck getting African American voter support after that stunt. Maybe sanders should formally apologize to the real civil right hero

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Can you link to any video evidence showing Bernie ever did such a thing?

Don't remember seeing or hearing about anyone even accusing Bernie of doing that. Maybe YOU should be the one apologizing... to BERNIE.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

46. I was there

I have been very active in the real world and earned a slot as a national delegate. I got the text warning me of this stunt and I was shocked and appalled

Many other people saw this including this sanders delegate

Link to tweet

Good luck in trying to pretend that this stunt did not happen.

BTW Clinton delegates were warned of this and other sanders delegate stunts in order to try to drown out the boos

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. You saw Bernie booing?! LOL, riiiiighht!! Didn't think you could show any video evidence of that.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

48. This was a planned stunt by sanders campaign and delegates

According to my whip, the Clinton campaign asked sanders to stop this stunt and he declined

Link to tweet

?s=20

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. Oh okay... I didn't think so.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

51. LOL

Have you found any pictures of a significant number of African Americans attending a sander event yet.
There is no way that sanders will be the nominee without significant support from African American voters?

[ucrdem]

54. There are many videos on Twitter and YouTube showing Lewis getting heckled.

Some are gone but plenty remain. They are easy to find. Happy Googling.

[betsuni]

57. As you know, nobody said Bernie booed.

You're calling people who witnessed Lewis being booed liars. Why? LOL, riiiiiighht!

Here's another example, Sarah Silverman being booed and telling Bernie supporters that they're being ridiculous.

(Waiting to hear about how MSNBC and C-Span are fake news.)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Wrong again... on ALL counts , bout what you said, he said, I said.

I, however, wouldn't be so rude as to call him (or you) a "liar"... just wrong. It's okay to admit to that, especially when, ironically, another person, whom you're defending, doesn't even go as far as you. Maybe when you apologize, Bernie will too for any perceived transgressions that he may have committed.

In the meantime, Bernie will continue to move ever closer to the nomination. I know that doesn't sit well with some... we've gotten through the denial phase and just need to get through the anger phase and we'll be well on our way to acceptance that Bernie will be our next President.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[betsuni]

60. As seen on TV! Order this fabulous set of steak knives for the low, low, price of $9.95.

But wait, there's more! Call now and receive a potato peeler ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!!!

[Gothmog]

65. There are a ton of real Democrats who have long memories

These real democrats will not forgive or forget

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Gothmog]

70. For this thread

Link to tweet

[UniteFightBack]

31. No he is not...especially if his tax plan is anything like it was last time. nt

[Kahuna7]

61. Trump and the gop are salivating at the thought of running against Bernie. nt

[Gothmog]

64. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win45+ states

[Kahuna7]

66. At. Least. nt

[TexasTowelie]

5. I doubt that Bernie can carry the Rust Belt states mentioned in the article.

I also suspect that if Bernie is the nominee Nevada, Colorado, and Virginia could flip to Trump. The down ballot implications could be worse and it could flip the House of Representatives to the GOP.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. I suspect Bernie is gonna kick some major RethugliKKKon azz!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ucrdem]

6. "decades of lopsided trade deals and special interests"?

So basically he's planning another full-frontal bash of NAFTA, the TPP, and of course, the ACA, meaning Clinton-Obama-Biden and their "special interest" base which is normally a euphemism for trade unions, teachers, the elderly, and affirmative action beneficiaries.

Good luck with that.

[Cha]

15. I know.. same ol same ol

Link to tweet

[Uncle Joe]

20. Dear Nate,

please get back to us after Biden actually starts running.

Virtually every poll in the past 3 and a half years had Bernie beating Trump but Nate said that didn't count because it was just during the primaries, now he's touting a candidate that isn't even running?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Touting a candidate who historically DECLINES in the polls once he starts running.

Maybe Joe bucks the trend on his third go around and does better than his prior 5th place showing in Iowa last time... guess we'll see.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[artislife]

56. He has failed to garner the nomination in two primaries

I can see him flaming out this time around, too. Remember in 2008 Fred Thompson from Law and Order who was begged to run for the republicans? He finally jumped in and poof, he didn't get very far. People love the idea of Joe running until he actually does. Granted, I liked him one of those times, too. But not for the entire primary season.

[ucrdem]

58. . . . and then he won it, twice.

Let's not forget that he was on the Obama-Biden ticket that got elected in 2008 and 2012. That gives him an edge no one else can match.

[artislife]

67. Obama won it.

No one votes for the second name on the ticket. I know it is Obama's face on my HOPE poster.

[ucrdem]

53. And already sore.

Those last three hires signal that if he can't win he'll try to make sure no one else can either. Same ol' same ol' is right!

[Cha]

55. If that's what

he wants his legacy to be.. then so be it.

'Cause that's all anyone would remember.

[Kahuna7]

63. Tee hee....

[BlueFlorida]

9. After the republican machine is done with him

Sanders will have difficulty winning even the reliably blue states.

[George II]

12. Most likely the republican machine won't get their hands on him, they'll be attacking our nominee.

[Cha]

14. ...

Link to tweet

[JI7]

16. Sanders has been closer to Buttigieg than Biden in many of them

[George II]

19. Wait until Biden is formally a candidate - that should be worth between 5-10 points....

...in this crowded field.

Would be interesting to see who he takes them from.

[George II]

18. Look for increased attacks on Biden.

[Cha]

21. lol.. I'm sure they'll

find me.

[Gothmog]

25. The last attack or hit job by friends of sanders failed

Link to tweet

One almost sensed from the breathless coverage of women who decided years later to object to former vice president Joe Biden’s non-sexual hugs and pats and kisses on the head that they expected the media to think it would be a fatal or near-fatal blow to Biden’s presidential chances. Not only was it not fatal, it didn’t register as particularly relevant to most Democratic voters. He was atop the polls before these stories aired, and he is atop them now.

Biden has been in the public eye since the 1970s, and unlike Hillary Clinton, who claimed the public never really knew her, voters feel like they know Biden pretty darn well. Many voters don’t remember anything before his vice presidency, his demonstrably warm relationship with President Barack Obama, his remarkable dignity after the death of his beloved son Beau, and his emotional goodbye to the late senator John McCain. He has established a level of emotional intimacy with voters that few politicians attain. He’s the chatty next-door neighbor, the avuncular relative and the co-worker who remembers everyone’s birthday.

[sheshe2]

29. Funny how it is quiet now.

They slip slided away~

[dhol82]

26. Has he changed party affiliation yet?

I keep asking and, so far, nobody cares.
I want a Democrat running for the Democratic ticket.

[sheshe2]

30. Sorry the OP did not have time to get back to you.

The answer is sort of. He signed a pledge to run and serve as a Democrat for President and at the same time filed papers for his 2024 Senate run as an Independent. I will leave it for you to decide, dhol82.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Should Bernie win the primaries and G.E. he will be a Democratic President,

if he doesn't Bernie will run as an Independent for the Senate but there is no doubt he will still caucus with the Democrats.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. What more do people want from the guy?! Sheesh!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Snotcicles]

71. He signed the pledge that they all had to.

So I guess if it's good enough for the DNC that's what matters.

[BlueFlorida]

28. It will never come to Bernie v Trump

Bernie will never be the nominee.

[Gothmog]

52. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states

[Blue_Tires]

73. I really want to meet one of these mythical people

who voted for Obama twice only to turn around to vote for Trump... Because this is impossible for my mind to process.


And as an aside, I was really hoping that 2020 would finally get away from that coded "working class" = "white folks only" framing bullshit, but I see that nobody has learned anything the last 3 years